Crystal meth

brendansmith

I have been away fom Ireland for a few years and boards is my only contact with Irelands current affairs.

Crystal meth or 'P' is massive in US and a serious problem in New Zealand but I never hear anything about it on boards.

Has it hit down there yet or whats the story.

Cheers

artanevilla

Yeah, we're all on it, it's savage.

amacachi

Round here we're still just on glue and lighter fluid.

SugarHigh

Pretty much non-existent afaik.

Holybejaysus

I believe the only finds so far have been in Tralee, both were Polish nationals if I'm not mistaken. But if and when it goes mainstream here.....bye bye society.

ScumLord

Most drugs sold in Ireland now are just left over headshop stuff.

I knew one guy latvian guy who could get it but in general, it's nowhere to be seen thank god.

df1985

very openminded but thats one drug that can stay well away from here.

brendansmith

Holybejaysus wrote: »

But if and when it goes mainstream here.....bye bye society.

You said it. I am facinated by this stuff and the effects it has on people and society.

If it does hit down or as you say when it will rip Ireland into shreds due to the freedom the junkies and skum are afforded. There will be madness.

abouttobebanned

Plastic bag and a tin of lynx tempest and away we go!

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

ScumLord wrote: »

Most drugs sold in Ireland now are just left over headshop stuff.

You can't tell whats what anymore they're all mixed up together.

General General

<joke linking crystal meth and crystal swing>

Mr Benevolent

Sensationalist rubbish.

deathrider

brendansmith wrote: »

You said it. I am facinated by this stuff and the effects it has on people and society.

If it does hit down or as you say when it will rip Ireland into shreds due to the freedom the junkies and skum are afforded. There will be madness.

Could you tell a little about it. Form, what kinda high, the generals effects of it. Outside of the name, I n=know nothing about.

Orizio

artanevilla wrote: »

Yeah, we're all on it, it's savage.

Typical LOI fans.

Riamfada

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Plastic bag and a tin of lynx tempest and away we go!

can you use other types of lynx?

artanevilla

Orizio wrote: »

Typical LOI fans.

Need something as a Bohs fan to escape from reality.

brendansmith

deathrider wrote: »

Could you tell a little about it. Form, what kinda high, the generals effects of it. Outside of the name, I n=know nothing about.

Well from what ive seen in documentary etc it comes in a small quantity of crystal looking powderish stuff and you smoke it in a glass pipe.

Its supposed to be way more potent than heroin and also way more addictive. The first hit is a flood of endorfins?!? to the brain and any subsequent hits never get back to that level of high but those who become addicted (nearly all who try it) are constantly chasing the initial high.

It makes users believ that there are bugs under their skin so they can spend hours trying to dig them out with their finger nails leaving scars and such.
It dried out your mouth and stop syliva forming so your teeth rot.

It makes people completely lose the run of themselves and they rob stuff to support the habit and shoot at police when they start chasing them etc.

It seems to be the most destructive thing imaginable to safe, sane society and its effects are spreading all over the states, oz, nz and elsewhere I would imagine.

TeddyTedson

It's one f*cked up drug.
I doubt it will ever be big here though.

SugarHigh

deathrider wrote: »

Could you tell a little about it. Form, what kinda high, the generals effects of it. Outside of the name, I n=know nothing about.

Just watch breaking bad

brendansmith

Confab wrote: »

Sensationalist rubbish.

You are probably right. Im just going on what I hear from documentarys etc so they generally up the shock

amacachi

deathrider wrote: »

Could you tell a little about it. Form, what kinda high, the generals effects of it. Outside of the name, I n=know nothing about.

It's like speed physically but like an intense coke buzz mentally. From what I've heard about smoking crack it could well be closer in intensity to that than snorting.

deathrider

brendansmith wrote: »

Well from what ive seen in documentary etc it comes in a small quantity of crystal looking powderish stuff and you smoke it in a glass pipe.

Its supposed to be way more potent than heroin and also way more addictive. The first hit is a flood of endorfins?!? to the brain and any subsequent hits never get back to that level of high but those who become addicted (nearly all who try it) are constantly chasing the initial high.

It makes users believ that there are bugs under their skin so they can spend hours trying to dig them out with their finger nails leaving scars and such.
It dried out your mouth and stop syliva forming so your teeth rot.

It makes people completely lose the run of themselves and they rob stuff to support the habit and shoot at police when they start chasing them etc.

It seems to be the most destructive thing imaginable to safe, sane society and its effects are spreading all over the states, oz, nz and elsewhere I would imagine.

Ok, fair enough. It makes folks proper mental then. That's nasty stuff.

Shryke

No meth at all over here although there's probably one or two tight circles.

K-9

brendansmith wrote: »

I have been away fom Ireland for a few years and boards is my only contact with Irelands current affairs.

Crystal meth or 'P' is massive in US and a serious problem in New Zealand but I never hear anything about it on boards.

Has it hit down there yet or whats the story.

Cheers

It's a strange one.

Remember a "journalistic" piece a few years ago saying it was the next thing to come here.

Put Heroin down as a recreational drug in comparison to what meths does to a person.

Seems we went the coke and hookers way.

Yanks, hey!

Raze_them_all

brendansmith wrote: »

I have been away fom Ireland for a few years and boards is my only contact with Irelands current affairs.

Crystal meth or 'P' is massive in US and a serious problem in New Zealand but I never hear anything about it on boards.

Has it hit down there yet or whats the story.

Cheers

I thought market research was frowned upon on boards?

amacachi

brendansmith wrote: »

Well from what ive seen in documentary etc it comes in a small quantity of crystal looking powderish stuff and you smoke it in a glass pipe.

Or snort. Though like MDMA it'll cause nasal problems and bleeding way quicker than Coke because it's lots of little crystals.

Its supposed to be way more potent than heroin and also way more addictive. The first hit is a flood of endorfins?!? to the brain and any subsequent hits never get back to that level of high but those who become addicted (nearly all who try it) are constantly chasing the initial high.

It's probably closer to Crack in terms of addiction and seems to also share that there's no "getting by" on it. With heroin if someone has a certain amount of income they're more likely to be able to control themselves and live to that, it doesn't seem be the case with Crack or Meth in that they just want as much as they can get at any time. On chasing the initial high, that applies to most every drug.

It makes users believ that there are bugs under their skin so they can spend hours trying to dig them out with their finger nails leaving scars and such.

Rare enough, more likely with speed I thought.

It dried out your mouth and stop syliva forming so your teeth rot.

Possibly, though I'd like to see evidence beyond just correlation for that since the lifestyle that most tweakers have would cause similar results.

It makes people completely lose the run of themselves and they rob stuff to support the habit and shoot at police when they start chasing them etc.

Any highly addictive and highly potent drug will make people lose the run of themselves, shooting at cops is more of a PCP thing I think. :pac:

It seems to be the most destructive thing imaginable to safe, sane society and its effects are spreading all over the states, oz, nz and elsewhere I would imagine.

It's a nasty drug, I'd say Crack has done worse overall but Meth is catching up alright.

Riamfada

K-9 wrote: »

It's a strange one.

Remember a "journalistic" piece a few years ago saying it was the next thing to come here.

Put Heroin down as a recreational drug in comparison to what meths does to a person.

Seems we went the coke and hookers way.

Yanks, hey!

I remember that myself. I cant seem to figure out a reason why it hasnt spread any faster compared to the likes of heroin when it has spread so quickly across the US and Aus.

amacachi

K-9 wrote: »

It's a strange one.

Remember a "journalistic" piece a few years ago saying it was the next thing to come here.

Put Heroin down as a recreational drug in comparison to what meths does to a person.

Seems we went the coke and hookers way.

Yanks, hey!

We went down the snorting coke rather than smoking crack road thank ****.

kev_like

Meth is around, and there's plenty of it. Just to get it is another story, the dealers themselves try to keep it as if it was 'non existant', that way the guards aren't looking for it. Depending on who you know it's simple to get, I myself know dozens of people that can get it within minutes(cork city centre) but I suppose that's only in Cork, not sure if it's the same in other counties.

amacachi

Grimes wrote: »

I remember that myself. I cant seem to figure out a reason why it hasnt spread any faster compared to the likes of heroin when it has spread so quickly across the US and Aus.

What would the quantities be like? It'd be damn hard to produce here on the QT so importing would be almost the only option. The cynic in me thinks that there may be more "co-operation" going on than the law allows for.

Professional Griefer

General General wrote: »

<joke linking crystal meth and crystal swing>

This?

Zascar

Horriffic drug, I've seen people fuk themselves up cause of it (in oz) and pray it never comes here. Watch these documentaries:
"The Meth Epidemic" (CBS Frontline)
"City addicted to crystal meth" (Louis Theroux)
"Worlds most dangerous drug"
"Meth Nation" - Discoveru Channel

Google them they are all online

Also check out "The Faces of Meth" - horrible stuff...
http://www.google.ie/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=faces+of+meth

epgc3fyqirnbsx

I chatted to lads who had done it and they said that as you smoke it you can have little bits that pop off out of the pipe.
Straight away, first time trying it, you're searching for them on the ground wanting more

amacachi

Faces of meth.

amacachi

Franco Tangy Beggar wrote: »

I chatted to lads who had done it and they said that as you smoke it you can have little bits that pop off out of the pipe.
Straight away, first time trying it, you're searching for them on the ground wanting more

Pfft, I doubt you'll find many people who don't look for bits of drugs that they've let fall on the ground.

kev_like

amacachi wrote: »

Pfft, I doubt you'll find many people who don't look for bits of drugs that they've let fall on the ground.

Good point, drop a pill, nodge, anything and you'll look for it, regardless of the drug.

Riamfada

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY3JaAGNmRQ

K-9

Anybody want some Cake? PM me.

evercloserunion

Given how badly we've handled the heroin epidemic in Dublin, I dread to think what would happen to our cities if crystal meth went mainstream.

Cue a load of people saying that there is no drug abuse in Dublin and we're all just jealous culchies who hate the capital (even those of us from Dublin).

Raze_them_all

evercloserunion wrote: »

Given how badly we've handled the heroin epidemic in Dublin, I dread to think what would happen to our cities if crystal meth went mainstream.

Cue a load of people saying that there is no drug abuse in Dublin and we're all just jealous culchies who hate the capital (even those of us from Dublin).

There is drug abuse everywhere. my folks live in a small town in Kilkenny. If you seen the amout on smack heads it's actually shocking.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

kev_like wrote: »

Meth is around, and there's plenty of it. Just to get it is another story, the dealers themselves try to keep it as if it was 'non existant', that way the guards aren't looking for it. Depending on who you know it's simple to get, I myself know dozens of people that can get it within minutes(cork city centre) but I suppose that's only in Cork, not sure if it's the same in other counties.

Sure you're not thinking of Meph?

JONJO THE MISER

Never got hooked on drugs, the gambling and poker had all my money already:D

msg11

Hummm, you would wonder if the Government would step in now. And start to show the effects of this awful drug to the younger generation and existing population that might be thinking along the line 'ah sure once won't hurt' . So it would deter people from it before it gets a chance to arrive and get a hold.

Just a thought , the powers above seem to let things get a hold first then act. There is an opportunity for them to step in now and actually be proactive for once.

The only media I have seen on it has been from shows like 'cops' , which would show the drug in full action then go into the details of how the drug operates and the off the scale addiction it can give to the user.

Phyiscal effects
Physical effects can include anorexia, hyperactivity, dilated pupils, flushing, restlessness, dry mouth, headache, tachycardia, bradycardia, tachypnea, hypertension, hypotension, hyperthermia, diaphoresis, diarrhea, constipation, blurred vision, dizziness, twitching, insomnia, numbness, palpitations, arrhythmias, tremors, dry and/or itchy skin, acne, pallor, and with chronic and/or high doses, convulsions, heart attack stroke and death can occur.

Psychological effects

Psychological effects can include euphoria, anxiety, increased libido, alertness, concentration, energy, self-esteem, self-confidence, sociability, irritability, aggression, psychosomatic disorders, psychomotor agitation, grandiosity, excessive feelings of power and invincibility, repetitive and obsessive behaviors, paranoia, and with chronic and/or high doses, amphetamine psychosis can occur.

Withdrawal effects

Withdrawal symptoms of methamphetamine primarily consist of mental fatigue, mental depression and an increased appetite. Symptoms may last for days with occasional use and weeks or months with chronic use, with severity dependent on the length of time and the amount of methamphetamine used. Withdrawal symptoms may also include anxiety, agitation, akathisia, excessive sleep, vivid or lucid dreams, deep REM sleep and suicidal ideation.

Other effects

Methamphetamine users and addicts may lose their teeth abnormally quickly, a condition informally known as meth mouth.

So yes, a truly awful drug.

Herion been a depressant, users of the drug wouldn't be as on edge more relaxed

On the other hand Crystal Meth is a stimulant which would put users on the edge and extremely aggressive/agitated.

I use the term depressant and stimulant there quite easy, the neurological property's of these drugs would be very powerful on the end of the table they are on. But basically, Crystal Meth would make Herion look like minor issue.

Caliden

Saw this video before of a meth head stealing a bait car, it's frickin' scary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THesRyETb7Y

Starts at about 1:30

Duff Man Jr.

Meth dealers are the coolest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV4v4LjBEXQ

Stench Blossoms

Maybe that's why the government brought in the restrictions against buying Nurophen Plus/Solphadine? Both of them have codine in them. Could be preparing themselves.

pickarooney

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Maybe that's why the government brought in the restrictions against buying Nurophen Plus/Solphadine? Both of them have codine in them. Could be preparing themselves.

An interesting suggestion, although as one which credits the government with positive, forward thinking I doubt it will get much support.

Auvers

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Maybe that's why the government brought in the restrictions against buying Nurophen Plus/Solphadine? Both of them have codine in them. Could be preparing themselves.

nah just more knee jerk reaction from our forward thinking government listening to Joe Duffy and making important decisions based on the raving moral minority

Codine is not primarily used in the manufacture of meth, crystal meth usually involves reducing ephedrine or pseudoephedrine, found in cold and allergy medicine i.e Sudafed

its is also a highly voltile to manufacture due to the production of white phosphorus which can can auto ignite and blow up the meth lab

amacachi

Again, has anyone got a link to something saying that codeine can be used for Meth production? Pretty sure they're in completely different families of drugs and it's ephedrine and pseudoephedrine which are used for making Meth.

up for anything

Doesn't seem to have codeine in it.

Most of the necessary chemicals are readily available in household products or over-the-counter cold or allergy medicines. When illicitly produced, methamphetamine is commonly made by the reduction of ephedrine or pseudoephedrine.

There's a very good article in Wikipedia about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine