Real Woman - What are they?

maxwell smart

So I'm working from home this morning and Ireland AM is on in the kitchen. The usual old ****e on it with some fashion crap. But a certain phrase keeps being repeated "Real Women". So I turned around to see what sort of people these are, and guess what? They are overweight women!

This makes me laugh. If these are real woman, why are they not reading the news, presenting our breakfast programs etc. etc.

So, Real Woman, is this code for "Fat Women" ?

Please enlighten me! (and I guess they could do with some "enlightening" too):D

Biggins

They are avoiding you.
They don't like to let you see that your really the odd one.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Yes its pathetic. Would love to see them go to Russia and Eastern Europe and claim in-shape women are in fact ''fake women''

coconut5

I think the term 'real women' comes from the idea that if you are a busy woman with a job and children, you don't have the time needed to keep fit and stay looking as trim as models or TV presenters or whatever.

I don't agree with this ideology, but that's where it comes from (in my opinion).

r3nu4l

Real women are those made from cells, tissues and organs as opposed to those made from rubber or plastic that are available from certain 'adult' establishments.

Pookah

That'd be my definition of a 'real woman', one with some modicum of meat on her bones. No skinny ass 'girls' for me.

In reality, though, I don't suppose the skinny ones are any less real.

BillShorey

It's an excuse for fat women to stay fat. They're lazy and like to think of themselves as "not having the time" to keep in shape because they're "real women" but truth be told they're just a bunch of lazy fat cranks who don't tend to be in any way good looking.

Good looking girls with meat on their bones are generally referred to as things like Curvacious or voluptuous.

Finally, **** you Gok Wan for getting fat women to dress skimpier. Put it away porky.

orourkeda

It's definitely code for something.

The "fat chicks" suggestion mightn't be a million miles from the truth.

Political correctness gone mad. We cant even call fat birds fat chicks anymore.

AnonoBoy

I always presumed 'Real Women' were the ones that didn't come with a foot pump and puncture repair kit.

Bottle_of_Smoke

BillShorey wrote: »

It's an excuse for fat women to stay fat. They're lazy and like to think of themselves as "not having the time" to keep in shape because they're "real women" but truth be told they're just a bunch of lazy fat cranks who don't tend to be in any way good looking.

Good looking girls with meat on their bones are generally referred to as things like Curvacious or voluptuous.

Finally, **** you Gok Wan for getting fat women to dress skimpier. Put it away porky.

No, no. If someone tells you they're curvy they're most likely overweight. If they say voluptuous you log out right there and then unless you have a feeder fetish

Lando Griffin

If it was on a real program on a real television station then it might hold some weight.
But people who have babies are most probably real women.

orourkeda

BillShorey wrote: »

It's an excuse for fat women to stay fat. They're lazy and like to think of themselves as "not having the time" to keep in shape because they're "real women" but truth be told they're just a bunch of lazy fat cranks who don't tend to be in any way good looking.

Good looking girls with meat on their bones are generally referred to as things like Curvacious or voluptuous.

Finally, **** you Gok Wan for getting fat women to dress skimpier. Put it away porky.

Gok **** as he should now be known

stovelid

Not these ones:

http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/article/905/905752/weird-science-gets-weirder-20080826092639334_640w.jpg

Rocket19

It's all part of the 21rst century backlash against the skinny girl.
There is an obvious preference for thin women in the media/celebrity circles but in fairness, it's not just that. People in every day life are sooo prejudiced towards fat people. And really, is it seriously any of their business? :rolleyes:

Women do have to put up with a lot of shít and for many the rail thin 'ideal' just isn't realistic. There's definitly a pressure there.
I'm am a size 6/8 and I still feel fat sometimes. If someone super skinny is in my presence. ha

The term 'real women' really shouldn't apply to fat people...but most people understand that it's just a euphamism.
I accept that and it doesn't bother me. The preference is still for skinny...that's not likely to change.
If the term makes someone feel better about themselves, then it's fine by me.

coconut5

I think people are really harsh on fat people because it's an obvious weakness. It's pack mentality. It's in our nature.

I don't think there's any backlash against the skinny girl. It's more desired than ever to be thin, if you ask me.

biko

Sure why not? "A real man" usually means fat guy with greasy hair

Pookah

biko wrote: »

Sure why not? "A real man" usually means fat guy with greasy hair

I've often heard ladies refer to muscular or heavy-set types, as real man, as opposed to the slimmer version.

Not sure about the greasy hair, though.

up for anything

'Real Women' are the millions of women who don't appear on the catwalks in haute couture fashion shows in Milan or on the pages of Hello/OK/Cosmo etc magazines. The phrase was probably coined by people who didn't want to see the ordinary women ending up with multiple eating disorders attempting to look like 6' tall, 5st super models.

Now it has become a jellyfish compliment. Silly cow Cheryl used that phrase about one of the contestants in X Factor, probably Mary, only recently. Cheryl Cole is not a real woman. The phrase real women is now used to describe overweight women rather than your mothers, wives, daughters, sisters, neighbours etc.

SugarHigh

I think the soft approach simply doesn't work with fat people, I post on a fitness forum and a lot of the ex-fatties say it was the abuse that motivated them. There was a show on c4 a few weeks where they had two trainers one who took a harsh approach and one who took a soft one, the harsh one got their client to lose more weight in 1 week than the other did in 6.

Inb4 but if you deal with the elitism problems first you just put it back on. That's just day time tv nonsense spouted by Oprah who is constantly putting back on the weight. If you lose the weigh through gruelling effort you won't put it back on because you don't want to go through that again and if you will always be improving your fitness which gives you constant motivation.

Distorted

Rocket19 wrote: »

The term 'real women' really shouldn't apply to fat people...but most people understand that it's just a euphamism.

I get a bit fed up with the "real women" thing. I get particularly annoyed at the fuss over Christina Hendricks form Mad Men with her two melons on show all the time and everyone wittering on about how a real woman is much more attractive than so-called "skinny women" at size 8.

Guess what? I'm a size 8/10, and I look way more attractive and get way more male attention than when I was a size 12/14. I'm also happier and healthier. Maybe if I was a size 4/6 I would have lost my curves, but its not exactly a worry at a healthy size 8/10.

I don't believe they're talking about "real women" any more than the fact they're talking about women with middle aged spread who don't have time to exercise and who struggle to control their weight, but are trying to make themselves happier. But please don't do it at the expense of us who have willpower and do sport!

And I don't call fat people "big" either!

SugarHigh

up for anything wrote: »

Cheryl Cole is not a real woman.

Lol in what way?

Rocket19

coconut5 wrote: »

I think people are really harsh on fat people because it's an obvious weakness. It's pack mentality. It's in our nature.

I don't think there's any backlash against the skinny girl. It's more desired than ever to be thin, if you ask me.

By backlash I mean the whole "skinny bitch" thing. It's kind of acceptable to berate thin people.
Seems it's ok to grab my shoulder or hip bone or something and say "ughh your bones are sticking out" (they don't) or "that's scary" (it's not). I'm constantly told i'm too skinny when I know that i'm not. I've had random girls grab my wrists and be like "ahh disgusting".
It is always, always, always done by overweight/slight overweight women. Imagine grabbing a fat woman and doing the same...you'd be slaughtered!

It doesn't bother me because i'm pretty confident. But the double standard is annoying. Why bring me down to make yourself feel better? Pfffft.

SugarHigh

Distorted wrote: »

Guess what? I'm a size 8/10, and I look way more attractive and get way more male attention than when I was a size 12/14. I'm also happier and healthier. Maybe if I was a size 4/6 I would have lost my curves, but its not exactly a worry at a healthy size 8/10.!

But I bet they would say otherwise if you asked them even though their actions tell the true story. Men just say they prefer bigger women because they think it is the right thing to say.

8/10 is around ideal some women smaller than that do look really pretty though but it depends on your frame. The amount of people who have a frame that is naturally bigger than 8/10 is pretty rare so it doesn't exactly require starving yourself to get down so I really don't see their being a valid excuse for not doing it. It's the natural size for the vast majority of women yet it's smaller than average so really it's just down to laziness if you are struggling to slim down.

I think fat people just encourage each other to stay fat with all this real women bollocks.

SugarHigh

Rocket19 wrote: »

By backlash I mean the whole "skinny bitch" thing. It's kind of acceptable to berate thin people.
Seems it's ok to grab my shoulder or hip bone or something and say "ughh your bones are sticking out" (they don't) or "that's scary" (it's not). I'm constantly told i'm too skinny when I know that i'm not. I've had random girls grab my wrists and be like "ahh disgusting".
It is always, always, always done by overweight/slight overweight women. Imagine grabbing a fat woman and doing the same...you'd be slaughtered!

It doesn't bother me because i'm pretty confident. But the double standard is annoying. Why bring me down to make yourself feel better? Pfffft.

The amount of effort they put into bringing down skinny women and comforting each other(making excuses) would be better spent just losing the extra weight.

coconut5

SugarHigh wrote: »

The amount of people who have a frame that is naturally bigger than 8/10 is pretty rare so it doesn't exactly require starving yourself to get down so I really don't see their being a valid excuse for not doing it.

Are you actually being serious? That is definitely not true. Height has a huge part to play in dress size, which is conveniently ignored by a lot of people. That's why so many women who are a size 12 and are perfectly healthy and look lovely feel like they are massive when they aren't.

thee glitz

A real woman - one with so many imperfections they may actually
entertain the idea of having a relationship with you.

biko

Pookah wrote: »

I've often heard ladies refer to muscular or heavy-set types, as real man, as opposed to the slimmer version.

Not sure about the greasy hair, though.

Sorry, I meant when "real men" refer to themselves.

biko

Btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1XxILVnt1w

starbelgrade

SugarHigh wrote: »

But I bet they would say otherwise if you asked them even though their actions tell the true story. Men just say they prefer bigger women because they think it is the right thing to say.

8/10 is around ideal some women smaller than that do look really pretty though but it depends on your frame. The amount of people who have a frame that is naturally bigger than 8/10 is pretty rare so it doesn't exactly require starving yourself to get down so I really don't see their being a valid excuse for not doing it. It's the natural size for the vast majority of women yet it's smaller than average so really it's just down to laziness if you are struggling to slim down.

I think fat people just encourage each other to stay fat with all this real women bollocks.

Why are you seemingly so obsessed with what size women are?

Did you used to be a little fat girl?

Distorted

coconut5 wrote: »

Are you actually being serious? That is definitely not true. Height has a huge part to play in dress size, which is conveniently ignored by a lot of people. That's why so many women who are a size 12 and are perfectly healthy and look lovely feel like they are massive when they aren't.

I'm not convinced. Maybe above 5 feet 9 it does but I've plenty female friends around the 5 feet 7/5 feet 8 mark who are the same clothes size as me and don't look particularly skinny. We all do a lot of sports and it means your body is more toned. It doesn't really compare with someone who the most exercise they get is walking round the shops. People are different shapes, obviously. Some people for example do have naturally skinny legs and arms and have a very skinny look but I don't accept that the way the current brainwashing seems to be going - that size 12/14 is normal and size 8 is skinny. Its just because people generally lead such sedentary lives now. No-one needs to carry extra weight.

Clothes sizes have also got more generous. I'm pretty sure I'd have been a standard size 10 20 years ago. Now I mainly get size 8 and sometimes size 6, and theres no way I'm a size 6! Some shops have massive clothing sizes!

mahamageehad

I thought real women referred to women that were sexy, but curvy? Girls with natural hourglass figures- boobs, hips and arse. Size doesn't have to come into it, it's all about proportion. I would never use real woman to refer to fat people.

hmmm.. i suppose real woman, to me, is the difference between a hot curvy lady confident in her body and a skeletal woman always on a diet.

coconut5

Distorted wrote: »

I'm not convinced. Maybe above 5 feet 9 it does but I've plenty female friends around the 5 feet 7/5 feet 8 mark who are the same clothes size as me and don't look particularly skinny. We all do a lot of sports and it means your body is more toned. It doesn't really compare with someone who the most exercise they get is walking round the shops. People are different shapes, obviously. Some people for example do have naturally skinny legs and arms and have a very skinny look but I don't accept that the way the current brainwashing seems to be going - that size 12/14 is normal and size 8 is skinny. Its just because people generally lead such sedentary lives now. No-one needs to carry extra weight.

Clothes sizes have also got more generous. I'm pretty sure I'd have been a standard size 10 20 years ago. Now I mainly get size 8 and sometimes size 6, and theres no way I'm a size 6! Some shops have massive clothing sizes!

Yeah, I get what you're saying, but most of the girls I know who are size 8 are very thin, and some girls who are size 12 look overweight, and others don't, and that nearly always has to do with height. That's what I meant.

But that's a separate issue to the 'real woman' thing I think.

Pookah

coconut5 wrote: »

But that's a separate issue to the 'real woman' thing I think.

Is there an actual 'Real Women' movement?

Distorted

mahamageehad wrote: »

I thought real women referred to women that were sexy, but curvy? Girls with natural hourglass figures- boobs, hips and arse. Size doesn't have to come into it, it's all about proportion. I would never use real woman to refer to fat people.

hmmm.. i suppose real woman, to me, is the difference between a hot curvy lady confident in her body and a skeletal woman always on a diet.

Why is then that my close male friend told me that guys like him don't feel they have the confidence to ask out the hotter women and go for the more ordinary girls, like his girlfriend, who is always on a diet, but never seems to change shape? And who is a size 16/18?

Why is that the guys in my running club who have the more "homely" looking girlfriends are the ones trying to chat me up and hide the fact that they have girlfriends? tbh they get on my flippin nerves and I wish they'd just go out with girls they were happier with.

starbelgrade

Distorted wrote: »

Why is then that my close male friend told me that guys like him don't feel they have the confidence to ask out the hotter women and go for the more ordinary girls, like his girlfriend, who is always on a diet, but never seems to change shape? And who is a size 16/18?

Why is that the guys in my running club who have the more "homely" looking girlfriends are the ones trying to chat me up and hide the fact that they have girlfriends? tbh they get on my flippin nerves and I wish they'd just go out with girls they were happier with.

Maybe it's because the guys you know seem to be twats.

coconut5

Distorted wrote: »

Why is then that my close male friend told me that guys like him don't feel they have the confidence to ask out the hotter women and go for the more ordinary girls, like his girlfriend, who is always on a diet, but never seems to change shape? And who is a size 16/18?

That poor girl. She shouldn't be trying to get in shape for that guy anyway.

Quackles

Distorted wrote: »

I'm not convinced. Maybe above 5 feet 9 it does but I've plenty female friends around the 5 feet 7/5 feet 8 mark who are the same clothes size as me and don't look particularly skinny. We all do a lot of sports and it means your body is more toned. It doesn't really compare with someone who the most exercise they get is walking round the shops. People are different shapes, obviously. Some people for example do have naturally skinny legs and arms and have a very skinny look but I don't accept that the way the current brainwashing seems to be going - that size 12/14 is normal and size 8 is skinny. Its just because people generally lead such sedentary lives now. No-one needs to carry extra weight.

Clothes sizes have also got more generous. I'm pretty sure I'd have been a standard size 10 20 years ago. Now I mainly get size 8 and sometimes size 6, and theres no way I'm a size 6! Some shops have massive clothing sizes!

It definitely depends on your frame. I'm 5'8" and a size 12, and I have no interest in going any lower than that. I am well, well within my healthy BMI, I'm proud of how I look (I worked very hard to get here), but I know from previous experience that even losing five more pounds makes my face look pure gaunt. It's not even the clothes size, it's my face. So I don't consider myself to be carrying 'extra weight' as you so nicely put it And I don't think you can put a blanket size on it and say that people should all aim to be in there.

Distorted

coconut5 wrote: »

That poor girl. She shouldn't be trying to get in shape for that guy anyway.

I don't know; she's only 21, if she's that size at that age then if she does what hte average person does and puts on weight slowly over the years, she's going to be morbidly obese in her mid thirties.

coconut5

Distorted wrote: »

I don't know; she's only 21, if she's that size at that age then if she does what hte average person does and puts on weight slowly over the years, she's going to be morbidly obese in her mid thirties.

Yeah, but it's mean that's what her boyfriend thinks of her.

Distorted

starbelgrade wrote: »

Maybe it's because the guys you know seem to be twats.

Just a pretty average range of guys. In fact I admire him because he admitted the truth.

Your'e not telling me that guys behave like that (and I know when someone fancies me or not) and texts you to meet up, without mentioning their girlfriend, that they're happy and not trying to "trade up"?

SugarHigh

coconut5 wrote: »

Yeah, but it's mean that's what her boyfriend thinks of her.

If she's size 16/18 than she is more than a little overweight. Just because he's her BF doesn't make him delusional.

mahamageehad

coconut5 wrote: »

That poor girl. She shouldn't be trying to get in shape for that guy anyway.

I think that if you try to get in shape for someone else it usually backfires? You can only work up the motivation when you know you're doing it for yourself!

Back on topic:
Real Woman- i would call Nigella Lawson one.
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as opposed to Kiera Knightly (poss NSFW)
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They are both very attractive women nonetheless.

On another note, if you Google real women the first results are all from the Dove Real Women campaign- is this where the name came from?
NSFW- underwear, dove real women

coconut5

SugarHigh wrote: »

If she's size 16/18 than she is more than a little overweight. Just because he's her BF doesn't make him delusional.

I never said anything about her weight. All I said was it's mean that her boyfriend is telling another girl that the only reason he's going out with her is because he doesn't have the balls to ask out better-looking women. Distorted also said she was constantly dieting, and all I meant was that the constant dieting is probably for his benefit, and he doesn't deserve that if that's how he feels about her.

Distorted

mahamageehad wrote: »

I think that if you try to get in shape for someone else it usually backfires? You can only work up the motivation when you know you're doing it for yourself!

Back on topic:
Real Woman- i would call Nigella Lawson one.
pic
as opposed to Kiera Knightly (poss NSFW)
pic
They are both very attractive women nonetheless.

On another note, if you Google real women the first results are all from the Dove Real Women campaign- is this where the name came from?
NSFW- underwear, dove real women

See I'd say Nigella Lawson is fat. I'd hate to look like her and wear those covering up black tent things she now favours. A few years ago she was on the borderline of fat and and acceptably curvy but now she's just gone towards the truly massive hips thing.

Keira Knightly is a young girl who has a certain look and bone structure and at her age, isn't going to be appealing to the older man who goes for the more maternalmatronly look like Nigella anyway.

I think the women in the Dove advert look pretty rough actually. Its not just their size, its their hair and skin as well. But Dove is a pretty cheap product and I wouldn't use it anyway. I don't see La Prairie using models who look like that. I guess it depends what friendship circles you move in. My friends and I like buying top quality brand jeans for example, and they just don't come in size 14 and wouldn't look right if they did. I've got a training partner of 47 and she's the same weight as she was when she was 16 and she looks absolutely fantastic, and way younger than most women her age. In fact I train with a woman of 52 who is the world champion for her age group and she looks pretty hot.

I actually know plenty of women who have figures like Cheryl Cole, but not that many who have figures like Kelly Brook or Christina Hendricks. And remember, as a female, I see them (semi)naked in the changing rooms!

SugarHigh

mahamageehad wrote: »

I think that if you try to get in shape for someone else it usually backfires? You can only work up the motivation when you know you're doing it for yourself!

Back on topic:
Real Woman- i would call Nigella Lawson one.
pic
as opposed to Kiera Knightly (poss NSFW)
pic
They are both very attractive women nonetheless.

On another note, if you Google real women the first results are all from the Dove Real Women campaign- is this where the name came from?
NSFW- underwear, dove real women

So you don't think Kiera Knightly is a real woman?

It's such a annoying phrase that is actually kind of demeaning to slim women.

Distorted

coconut5 wrote: »

I never said anything about her weight. All I said was it's mean that her boyfriend is telling another girl that the only reason he's going out with her is because he doesn't have the balls to ask out better-looking women. Distorted also said she was constantly dieting, and all I meant was that the constant dieting is probably for his benefit, and he doesn't deserve that if that's how he feels about her.

Of the larger sized women I know, at work, girlfriends of guys I know, etc, they talk far more about their weight and diets than any of my other friends. Their Facebook status is always full of their diets, the exact ingredients of the meal they cooked that night, how many pounds they have lost and then suddenly it all goes quiet. Then a couple of weeks later it all starts again, but they always seem to stay much the same size, which they don't seem particularly happy with. You kind of wish they would just shut up and get on with actually doing stuff instead of trying to convince themselves their diets are working!

Misticles

Real women are clones of Misticles.
We are amazing :pac:
That will be all for Today.

SugarHigh

Distorted wrote: »

See I'd say Nigella Lawson is fat. I'd hate to look like her and wear those covering up black tent things she now favours. A few years ago she was on the borderline of fat and and acceptably curvy but now she's just gone towards the truly massive hips thing.

Keira Knightly is a young girl who has a certain look and bone structure and at her age, isn't going to be appealing to the older man who goes for the more maternalmatronly look like Nigella anyway.

I think the women in the Dove advert look pretty rough actually. Its not just their size, its their hair and skin as well. But Dove is a pretty cheap product and I wouldn't use it anyway. I don't see La Prairie using models who look like that. I guess it depends what friendship circles you move in. My friends and I like buying top quality brand jeans for example, and they just don't come in size 14 and wouldn't look right if they did. I've got a training partner of 47 and she's the same weight as she was when she was 16 and she looks absolutely fantastic, and way younger than most women her age. In fact I train with a woman of 52 who is the world champion for her age group and she looks pretty hot.

I actually know plenty of women who have figures like Cheryl Cole, but not that many who have figures like Kelly Brook or Christina Hendricks. And remember, as a female, I see them (semi)naked in the changing rooms!

I think Nigella just looks fat because she has massive tits.:D She's not exactly slim but I wouldn't go as far as calling her fat.

SugarHigh

Distorted wrote: »

Of the larger sized women I know, at work, girlfriends of guys I know, etc, they talk far more about their weight and diets than any of my other friends. Their Facebook status is always full of their diets, the exact ingredients of the meal they cooked that night, how many pounds they have lost and then suddenly it all goes quiet. Then a couple of weeks later it all starts again, but they always seem to stay much the same size, which they don't seem particularly happy with. You kind of wish they would just shut up and get on with actually doing stuff instead of trying to convince themselves their diets are working!

This is so true:D

It's just like people on boards with the weight loss tickers in their sigs. They never seem to go down and then just disappear only to come back a few weeks later with some cheesy motivational quote added in for good measure.

stovelid

What's most offensive - to me, a man, admittedly - is the competing cheerleading for either side's definition of 'real women'. Different sized women can be very attractive and the only fatness/skinniness issue should be that which is medically quantifiable, that is: seriously overweight or underweight. All else is preference and more people than you think are catholic in their body preferences.

And some of the comments about people and their weight here just make the posters look like morons, although given the posters in question, that merely serves as affirmation to me rather than breaking news.

wolfpawnat

Distorted wrote: »

Of the larger sized women I know, at work, girlfriends of guys I know, etc, they talk far more about their weight and diets than any of my other friends. Their Facebook status is always full of their diets, the exact ingredients of the meal they cooked that night, how many pounds they have lost and then suddenly it all goes quiet. Then a couple of weeks later it all starts again, but they always seem to stay much the same size, which they don't seem particularly happy with. You kind of wish they would just shut up and get on with actually doing stuff instead of trying to convince themselves their diets are working!

Well yes, I am sick of seeing "I have lost 2lb on x diet this week" or "I have started going to the gym, go me" Congratulations, your way of celebrating will prob be a Big Mac Meal!

I go to the gym occasionally. I walk up the stairs to my apartment, I walk to Tesco's. I buy junk food there, but I eat healthy most of the day. I am a size 8-10 and I have the genes to be a munter, but I keep myself in check!!!

And I hate the "I just had a baby" excuse. I had a baby. I was size 10 beforehand, I am less now and I eat more!!!!!!!!

Stop being lazy and look after yourselves properly!