Support for Fianna Fail has "collapsed to an unprecedented low"

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in the latest Sunday Business Post poll conducted by RedC.

Fianna Fail 18 (-6)
Fine Gael 32 (+1)
Labour 27 (+4)
Greens 4 (+1)
Sinn Fein 9 (-1)
Independents 10 (+1)

"Just 38 per cent of those who voted for Fianna Fail in the 2007 election now say they will vote for the party." says the paper's political editor, Pat Leahy.

If these figures were replicated in a general election, Fianna Fail would lose half it's seats.

In tomorrows SB Post.


WOOHOOO!!!!

Rabies

Ireland needs to get out if this fecking recession.
I'm getting pissed off with these government, recession, housing and dole threads.

It almost makes me want to go to the Politics forum and read about it all properly

ValJester

Only problem is that there's still constituencies where they're the strongest with no real competitions, meaning that they'll take those seats with no real difficulty, whilst FG and Labour are strong in the same areas, meaning they'd eat into each other's support.
Hence FF will still take 33-40% of the seats in the Dail in 2011/2.

I've said it before and will say it again.Democracy dosn't work.

Celly Smunt

gerrymandering in the next election?..

JohnathanM

What amazes me most is there are still people out there who would actually still vote for Fianna "full of" Fail. Unreal. You were that dumb last time, but you still haven't worked things out?

ValJester

JohnathanM wrote: »

What amazes me most is there are still people out there who would actually still vote for Fianna "full of" Fail. Unreal. You were that dumb last time, but you still haven't worked things out?

Thing is people vote by candidate in Ireland.And whilst their TD may have voted for NAMA and thus condemned us to have to sell our children to salt mines, "he's still a good man" because he went to the relevant funeral.

OPENROAD

Thing is we are seriously lacking in this country when it comes to choices, I always vote but I am really not sure who to vote for next time,I have heard nothing from anyone that would make me vote for them

orourkeda

still too high

OPENROAD

orourkeda wrote: »

still too high

They all are imo

gurramok

Labours support rose at expense of FF support, thats the public sector switching allegiance due to Bertie abandoning them!

up for anything

pmcmahon wrote: »

Gerry Mandering in the next election?..

He'll get my vote!

Celly Smunt

up for anything wrote: »

He'll get my vote!

there was always someone in school who blamed the norths problems on poor old gerry

Sonderval

So, people of ireland, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb

DJP

ValJester wrote: »

Only problem is that there's still constituencies where they're the strongest with no real competitions, meaning that they'll take those seats with no real difficulty, whilst FG and Labour are strong in the same areas, meaning they'd eat into each other's support.
Hence FF will still take 33-40% of the seats in the Dail in 2011/2.

I've said it before and will say it again.Democracy dosn't work.

No they won't. It looks like they are going to lose seats all over the place.

ILA

Excellent!

Now we only need the Blueshirts to fall to a similar level and we can actually start rebuilding this country in the way in which people originally intended back when they were fighting the Brits with hurleys and killing Protestant landowners :pac:

sonic85

i dont believe any of these stupid fcuking polls. wont know a fcuking thing until after the next election

CoalBucket

What I want to know is, who are the 18% who still give them their support ? :eek::eek::eek:

Biggins

I'm disappointed.
18% ???

Its not low enough.

DonJose

To the 18% who still support the party that ruined my and my childrens future.

Fucccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk you!!!!

foxinsox

CoalBucket wrote: »

What I want to know is, who are the 18% who still give them their support ? :eek::eek::eek:

It wasn't me anyway

I got a call the other night, I was just sitting watching TV so had a bit of sympathy for the call centre guy...

It was RED SEA for that poll quoted above...

It took ages and the questions were very detailed...

The poor guy asking the questions couldn't prounounce any of the Irish named political parties....

Shin Feen ... Feena Fail.... Fine Gale ... say what you see

JohnathanM

foxinsox wrote: »

Shin Feen ... Feena Fail.... Fine Gale ... say what you see

Credit to the fella. He got one of them right.

galwayrush

I am shocked that anyone would even consider voting for the FF corruption party./ Right now, their only answer to try and fix what they ****ed up is to rob from the poorer in society to preserve the lifestyles of their richer friends.:mad:

starbelgrade

Is there anything about Fianna Fail that doesn't involve the word "unprecedented"?

galwayrush

starbelgrade wrote: »

Is there anything about Fianna Fail that doesn't involve the word "unprecedented"?

Or, In the context of...........:(

flash1080

I think people will cop on soon enough and realise FF are the only party worth voting for. The other parties have done nothing of note to challenge FF, they're incapable of running the country. FF will get this country back on its feet.

JohnathanM

flash1080 wrote: »

I think people will cop on soon enough and realise FF are the only party worth voting for. The other parties have done nothing of note to challenge FF, they're incapable of running the country. FF will get this country back on its feet.

Just a pity we won't be able to afford any shoes.

sonic85

flash1080 wrote: »

I think people will cop on soon enough and realise FF are the only party worth voting for. The other parties have done nothing of note to challenge FF, they're incapable of running the country. FF will get this country back on its feet.

troll of the highest order. either that or you are seriously deluded

flash1080

sonic85 wrote: »

troll of the highest order. either that or you are seriously deluded

FG and Labour have been sitting quietly doing nothing, they have no solution to the problems and are watching FF take charge of the situation. They're just hoping to slip into government for a term with people blaming FF for having to make the tough decisions.

JohnathanM

flash1080 wrote: »

FG and Labour have been sitting quietly doing nothing, they have no solution to the problems and are watching FF take charge of the situation. They're just hoping to slip into government for a term with people blaming FF for having to make the tough decisions.

Tough decisions like bankrupting the country for a bank that could have been simply dropped, and cost us nothing? Or perhaps you mean the tough decisions of a science minister launching a book on creationism, a former Taoiseach being allowed to break the law with impunity and still serve himself in the Dail, or a current Taoiseach spending taxpayer cash on the piss before embarrassing us internationally the following morning?

Which tough decision do you admire the most?

Liam Byrne

flash1080 wrote: »

...... with people blaming FF for having to make the tough decisions.

That's actually what FF are hoping for........the more time passes, the more this can be falsely trotted out as the reason for FF's demise, when in actual fact the reason most neutrals hate them is because they led us head-first into this mess.

fontanalis

It's nice they asked 5 year olds.

flash1080

fontanalis wrote: »

It's nice they asked 5 year olds.

I wonder about those surveys alright. Anyone with a brain will vote for FF for the strength and stability of the country.

sonic85

flash1080 wrote: »

people blaming FF for having to make the tough decisions.

ah yes these tough decisions. how are they tough exactly? its easy to say cut this and cut that when the cuts have nothing to do with you. these decisions arent affecting FF directly are they? theyll still be earning big money for doing fcuk all. give me a break. hows about they start by looking at themselves and their own earnings and expenses claims? maybe then people might have more respect for them. theyre living on a totally different planet - im including all politicians in that by the way not just FF but at this stage a crowd of highly trained chimps would do a better job than the crowd currently in government

fontanalis

flash1080 wrote: »

I wonder about those surveys alright. Anyone with a brain will vote for FF for the strength and stability of the country.

By country you mean Galway Races tent clientelle?

fricatus

gurramok wrote: »

Labours support rose at expense of FF support, thats the public sector switching allegiance due to Bertie abandoning them!

Pretty much sums it up IMO.

Liam Byrne

fontanalis wrote: »

It's nice they asked 5 year olds.

I know this is after hours, but can you elaborate ?

Is there a reference somewhere to 5 year olds that I missed ?

Or are you assuming that that 18% are 5 years old ?

What are you trying to say ?

fontanalis

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I know this is after hours, but can you elaborate ?

Is there a reference somewhere to 5 year olds that I missed ?

Or are you assuming that that 18% are 5 years old ?

What are you trying to say ?

Only a five year old would vote for FF. Now you mention it I'm being unfair to five year olds.

galwayrush

flash1080 wrote: »

FG and Labour have been sitting quietly doing nothing, they have no solution to the problems and are watching FF take charge of the situation. They're just hoping to slip into government for a term with people blaming FF for having to make the tough decisions.

What could they do in opposition with the corruption party in power?, FF are only making selective tough decisions because they don't have any choice after their economic treason that has destroyed the country. Selective tough decisions though are only going to affect the weakest in society , don't worry though, i'm sure they have accounted for and made provisions to look after all of their corrupt friends... NAMA springs to mind.:mad:

Edit, uncoditional support for the Fianna Fail Corruption self serving Party proves that's it's a dangerous cult. It dosen't deserve to survive after what the've done.

Copper23

sonic85 wrote: »

troll of the highest order. either that or you are seriously deluded

Maybe the post supporting FF was intended to stir things and before I say this I have to say I'm not big fan of FF.... BUT....

There is a valid point hidden in there. I mean, really... at every election there is reason to change to order and stop voting in FF but it hasn't happened. I honestly think its a subconscious thing of better the devil you know than the one you don't.

I don't particularly want to vote in FF again. At the same time I have no desire to vote for my local FG or Labour candidates as I see nothing there whatsoever which suggests they would have the slightest clue how to run the country during the good times, let alone bail us out of the bad times. That leaves Greens/Independents/etc... I don't want to vote Greens, so that leaves an independent maybe? Which as rebellious as it may seem, it's been a long time since we've seen any of these get in and hold the govt accountable instead of just falling into line and building their govt pension.

Maybe its a conscious thing or maybe not but if Ireland had any REAL alternatives to the guys up there right now, then those guys wouldn't have lasted SO long.

ejmaztec

flash1080 wrote: »

I wonder about those surveys alright. Anyone with a brain will vote for FF for the strength and stability of the country.

Yes, the two brain cells shared between the supporters the last time round certainly achieved strength and stability. Excuse me while I let the champagne out of the bath, so that I can dress for cocktails.

Big Nasty

Can someone explain to me how any of the other parties would be any better than FF?

fontanalis

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Can someone explain to me how any of the other parties would be any better than FF?

They can't be worse, and my logic would also be that you can't let FF (spits) get away without some sort of punishment and a good election result is almost like rewarding them for mediocrity.

JohnathanM

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Can someone explain to me how any of the other parties would be any better than FF?

They might turn up to work sober.

ChopShop

ValJester wrote: »

Only problem is that there's still constituencies where they're the strongest with no real competitions,.

Is that because of their refusal to redraw said constituencies?

Big Nasty

fontanalis wrote: »

They can't be worse, and my logic would also be that you can't let FF (spits) get away without some sort of punishment and a good election result is almost like rewarding them for mediocrity.

Fair enough but can you or anyone else point out why any of the other parties would be better?

Liam Byrne

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Fair enough but can you or anyone else point out why any of the other parties would be better?

Less top-level corruption.

More acceptability because they're not the ones who created the mess.

More acceptability because they're not the ones who ensured that those primarily responsible got bailed out.

More credibility because they haven't been lying trying to blame the crash on Lehman's and other bogeymen in order to get themselves off scot-free.

fontanalis

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Fair enough but can you or anyone else point out why any of the other parties would be better?

Well for a start, when the sh1t hit the fan almost two years ago other countries started taking action and are seeing at least a slow recovery. Ireland is still two years into this and is looking into an abyss. Anglo is a black hole, where is that money going?

desertcircus

I'm always a little surprised at the attitude of "sure' would the other crowd do any better?" This wasn't common-or-garden mediocre government that got us where we are right now. This is the result of a solid decade of making terrible decision after terrible decision, of being ruled by people who saw nothing wrong with taking handouts from developers and selling the country up the river.

At the end of the nineties, Fianna Fail had a decision; growth was slowing, and they could either adjust to that and encourage steady, sustainable growth or else they could trigger an orgy of ludicrous property-market inflation. Guess which one they went with? Our economy has been built for the last ten years on two main planks: companies claiming to have their head office in Ireland for corporate tax reasons, and buying and selling houses to each other with cheap credit drawn from continental caution.

I haven't seen evidence that an FG-Labour, or indeed a Labour-FG coalition, would have made the same disastrous decisions. They didn't support NAMA, which instantly puts them above FF on the measure of being trusted not to burn down what's left of the country. Do I know what they'll do once they're in? No. Do I think it'll be an improvement on FF? Absolutely.

Big Nasty

All reasons why another party deserves a chance but no answers as to which party would do a better job and why!

Liam Byrne

MCMLXXV wrote: »

All reasons why another party deserves a chance but no answers as to which party would do a better job and why!

PARTY A : Causes a crash, lies through it's teeth about the causes, screws the country further with NAMA & Anglo and allows those responsible get massive pensions and payoffs

PARTY B : Does none of the above

One of the above parties gets elected and says "OK - here's what has to be done, let's all pull together"

I know which one I'll accept extra costs and taxes from, and I know which one I won't.

In order to "sell" what's required to decent people, it has to be fair and be proposed by a credible government that isn't implicated.

Big Nasty

Same as - reasons why I shouldn't vote for FF but gimme a reason why I should vote for anyone else.