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Support for Fianna Fail has "collapsed to an unprecedented low"

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  • #32
    flash1080
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,017 ✭✭✭flash1080


    fontanalis wrote: »
    It's nice they asked 5 year olds.

    I wonder about those surveys alright. Anyone with a brain will vote for FF for the strength and stability of the country.


  • #33
    sonic85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,479 ✭✭✭sonic85


    flash1080 wrote: »
    people blaming FF for having to make the tough decisions.

    ah yes these tough decisions. how are they tough exactly? its easy to say cut this and cut that when the cuts have nothing to do with you. these decisions arent affecting FF directly are they? theyll still be earning big money for doing fcuk all. give me a break. hows about they start by looking at themselves and their own earnings and expenses claims? maybe then people might have more respect for them. theyre living on a totally different planet - im including all politicians in that by the way not just FF but at this stage a crowd of highly trained chimps would do a better job than the crowd currently in government


  • #34
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    flash1080 wrote: »
    I wonder about those surveys alright. Anyone with a brain will vote for FF for the strength and stability of the country.

    By country you mean Galway Races tent clientelle?


  • #35
    fricatus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭fricatus


    gurramok wrote: »
    Labours support rose at expense of FF support, thats the public sector switching allegiance due to Bertie abandoning them! :)

    Pretty much sums it up IMO.


  • #36
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    fontanalis wrote: »
    It's nice they asked 5 year olds.

    I know this is after hours, but can you elaborate ?

    Is there a reference somewhere to 5 year olds that I missed ?

    Or are you assuming that that 18% are 5 years old ?

    What are you trying to say ?


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  • #37
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    I know this is after hours, but can you elaborate ?

    Is there a reference somewhere to 5 year olds that I missed ?

    Or are you assuming that that 18% are 5 years old ?

    What are you trying to say ?

    Only a five year old would vote for FF. Now you mention it I'm being unfair to five year olds.


  • #38
    galwayrush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    flash1080 wrote: »
    FG and Labour have been sitting quietly doing nothing, they have no solution to the problems and are watching FF take charge of the situation. They're just hoping to slip into government for a term with people blaming FF for having to make the tough decisions.

    What could they do in opposition with the corruption party in power?:confused:, FF are only making selective tough decisions because they don't have any choice after their economic treason that has destroyed the country. Selective tough decisions though are only going to affect the weakest in society , don't worry though, i'm sure they have accounted for and made provisions to look after all of their corrupt friends... NAMA springs to mind.:mad:

    Edit, uncoditional support for the Fianna Fail Corruption self serving Party proves that's it's a dangerous cult. It dosen't deserve to survive after what the've done.


  • #39
    Copper23
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 525 ✭✭✭Copper23


    sonic85 wrote: »
    troll of the highest order. either that or you are seriously deluded

    Maybe the post supporting FF was intended to stir things and before I say this I have to say I'm not big fan of FF.... BUT....

    There is a valid point hidden in there. I mean, really... at every election there is reason to change to order and stop voting in FF but it hasn't happened. I honestly think its a subconscious thing of better the devil you know than the one you don't.

    I don't particularly want to vote in FF again. At the same time I have no desire to vote for my local FG or Labour candidates as I see nothing there whatsoever which suggests they would have the slightest clue how to run the country during the good times, let alone bail us out of the bad times. That leaves Greens/Independents/etc... I don't want to vote Greens, so that leaves an independent maybe? Which as rebellious as it may seem, it's been a long time since we've seen any of these get in and hold the govt accountable instead of just falling into line and building their govt pension.

    Maybe its a conscious thing or maybe not but if Ireland had any REAL alternatives to the guys up there right now, then those guys wouldn't have lasted SO long.


  • #40
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    flash1080 wrote: »
    I wonder about those surveys alright. Anyone with a brain will vote for FF for the strength and stability of the country.

    Yes, the two brain cells shared between the supporters the last time round certainly achieved strength and stability. Excuse me while I let the champagne out of the bath, so that I can dress for cocktails.


  • #41
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,066 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Can someone explain to me how any of the other parties would be any better than FF?


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  • #42
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me how any of the other parties would be any better than FF?

    They can't be worse, and my logic would also be that you can't let FF (spits) get away without some sort of punishment and a good election result is almost like rewarding them for mediocrity.


  • #43
    JohnathanM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 410 ✭✭JohnathanM


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Can someone explain to me how any of the other parties would be any better than FF?

    They might turn up to work sober.


  • #44
    ChopShop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭ChopShop


    ValJester wrote: »
    Only problem is that there's still constituencies where they're the strongest with no real competitions,.


    Is that because of their refusal to redraw said constituencies?


  • #45
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,066 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    fontanalis wrote: »
    They can't be worse, and my logic would also be that you can't let FF (spits) get away without some sort of punishment and a good election result is almost like rewarding them for mediocrity.

    Fair enough but can you or anyone else point out why any of the other parties would be better?


  • #46
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Fair enough but can you or anyone else point out why any of the other parties would be better?

    Less top-level corruption.

    More acceptability because they're not the ones who created the mess.

    More acceptability because they're not the ones who ensured that those primarily responsible got bailed out.

    More credibility because they haven't been lying trying to blame the crash on Lehman's and other bogeymen in order to get themselves off scot-free.


  • #47
    fontanalis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Fair enough but can you or anyone else point out why any of the other parties would be better?

    Well for a start, when the sh1t hit the fan almost two years ago other countries started taking action and are seeing at least a slow recovery. Ireland is still two years into this and is looking into an abyss. Anglo is a black hole, where is that money going?


  • #48
    desertcircus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    I'm always a little surprised at the attitude of "sure' would the other crowd do any better?" This wasn't common-or-garden mediocre government that got us where we are right now. This is the result of a solid decade of making terrible decision after terrible decision, of being ruled by people who saw nothing wrong with taking handouts from developers and selling the country up the river.

    At the end of the nineties, Fianna Fail had a decision; growth was slowing, and they could either adjust to that and encourage steady, sustainable growth or else they could trigger an orgy of ludicrous property-market inflation. Guess which one they went with? Our economy has been built for the last ten years on two main planks: companies claiming to have their head office in Ireland for corporate tax reasons, and buying and selling houses to each other with cheap credit drawn from continental caution.

    I haven't seen evidence that an FG-Labour, or indeed a Labour-FG coalition, would have made the same disastrous decisions. They didn't support NAMA, which instantly puts them above FF on the measure of being trusted not to burn down what's left of the country. Do I know what they'll do once they're in? No. Do I think it'll be an improvement on FF? Absolutely.


  • #49
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,066 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    All reasons why another party deserves a chance but no answers as to which party would do a better job and why!


  • #50
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    All reasons why another party deserves a chance but no answers as to which party would do a better job and why!

    PARTY A : Causes a crash, lies through it's teeth about the causes, screws the country further with NAMA & Anglo and allows those responsible get massive pensions and payoffs

    PARTY B : Does none of the above

    One of the above parties gets elected and says "OK - here's what has to be done, let's all pull together"

    I know which one I'll accept extra costs and taxes from, and I know which one I won't.

    In order to "sell" what's required to decent people, it has to be fair and be proposed by a credible government that isn't implicated.


  • #51
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,066 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Same as - reasons why I shouldn't vote for FF but gimme a reason why I should vote for anyone else.


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  • #52
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    All reasons why another party deserves a chance but no answers as to which party would do a better job and why!

    Any of them. All of them.

    Why? Because they're not Fianna Fáil.


  • #53
    desertcircus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    All reasons why another party deserves a chance but no answers as to which party would do a better job and why!

    Labour advocated nationalising Anglo from the start. Both Labour and FG opposed the spending of tens of billions on NAMA. There's some fifty billion reasons for voting FG or Labour.


  • #54
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,066 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Any of them. All of them.

    Why? Because they're not Fianna Fáil.

    Another reason why not to! :pac:


  • #55
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,066 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    desertcircus wrote: »
    Labour advocated nationalising Anglo from the start. Both Labour and FG opposed the spending of tens of billions on NAMA. There's some fifty billion reasons for voting FG or Labour.

    Fair enough but do you know what they have better to offer in terms of policies than FF?


  • #56
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Same as - reasons why I shouldn't vote for FF but gimme a reason why I should vote for anyone else.

    Because if you don't vote for an alternative FF might get in via their delusional 18% core support.


  • #57
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,066 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Because if you don't vote for an alternative FF might get in via their delusional 18% core support.

    Once again Liam, yet another reason why I shouldn't vote for FF but no good reason why I should vote for some other party!


  • #58
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Once again Liam, yet another reason why I shouldn't vote for FF but no good reason why I should vote for some other party!

    If you don't vote against them they'll get back in.

    You need no other reason.


  • #59
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,066 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    If you don't vote against them they'll get back in.

    You need no other reason.

    How about you tell me who you would vote for and why - excluding the above reasons.


  • #60
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    How about you tell me who you would vote for and why - excluding the above reasons.

    Nope. Make up your own mind. You either want the same ****e all over again for another 5 years or you don't...


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  • #61
    desertcircus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    Oppositions don't win elections; governments lose them.

    FG and Labour have made it clear that they wouldn't have passed NAMA. That alone is enough reason to vote for them. A government with some form of brake on any cosy relations with developers is another reason. Aside from that, oppositions tend not to go heavy on the detailed policy proposals without an election in the offing; it's too easy for the government to steal the idea and take the credit.

    I haven't heard a massive amount of policy proposals from the two main opposition parties; I have, however, heard enough to convince me that they'll do better than FF have.


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