Multiculturalism has failed...

KINGVictor

....says Angela Merkel ( German Chancellor)

Link below:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11559451

The German chancellor, Angela Merkel in a speech says that multiculturalism in Germany has utterly failed. In summary, she indicated that a lot of immigrants in Germany have failed to integrate into the German way of life.She also opined that most immigrants come to Germany for social welfare benefits, the rest who legally come to the country do not leave the country, contrary to the expectations of most Germans-

"Mrs Merkel told a gathering of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party on Saturday that at "the beginning of the 60s our country called the foreign workers to come to Germany and now they live in our country... We kidded ourselves a while, we said: 'They won't stay, sometime they will be gone', but this isn't reality".


On the one hand, I feel that to make such an assertion is quite disingenueous, considering the fact that foreign workers were sought for by countries that had shortfalls in specific professions, notably Medicine, nursing, research , IT etc and it reminds of a discussion I had with a neighbor of mine- He has four kids all over the age of 18 and living with him, none of them completed their leaving certs. he said it he found it very frustrating that most GPs and nurses in his hospital are foreign and he cant undersatnd them most of the time, I thought- if his children had gone through the educational system , perharps maybe, one or two of them could have ended up as his/others doctor or nurse ( You know what I mean).



On the other hand, I fully understand and acknowledge that the concept of multiculturalism as it is been operationalised in most western countries is quite deficient. Immigrants are not made to understand the fact that they live in a country which is different from their country of origin and that they have to comply with the laws.


More importantly, they are not sensitised about the vital importance of familiarising themselves with and appreciating the culture/traditions of the their host country. As such, a lot of immigrants think it is their God given right to have a huge measure of transferability...(so to speak) i.e. live in a foreign country as if they were at home.


It is inevitable that multicilturalism as we know it today will collapse, but as a concept it is unavoidable it will persist.


Enough of the lecture...what do you guys think?....

markesmith

In before the Turks

o1s1n

In before the Godwin.

Absurdum

hey let's all bury our heads in the sand and pretend everything is great!

KungPao

"It's all just a little bit of history repeating"

Sieg Heil, Mein Fuhrer etc.

Mark200

That bolded paragraph doesn't mean that she believes multiculturalism has failed. At all.

CreepingDeath

KINGVictor wrote: »

Enough of the lecture...what do you guys think?....

I think Ireland has the right idea.
Round up the immigrants into "holiday" camps, eg. Mosney.
With a good rail infrastructure straight to a proposed incinerator in Dublin.

They're playing the long game.

orourkeda

I'm glad it wasnt just me

DOC09UNAM

Sounds like ireland.

gbee

I'm going to email a copy to that lowlife.

Against advise to the contrary as it was already beginning to have cracks in other countries, Bertie sold out our beautiful country and whilst the economic holocaust will pass, we have made the ingredients for American style slums, drive by shootings, mega scale drugs that will never fade away.

It's already happening and that Bertie was warned of the potential but be insisted on making a multicultrural Ireland ~ I hope he lives to be mugged and gang ..... in a slum of his making sometime in the future.

OH, yea, the seeds to raise Hitler again are also sown, but you'd get over a war too, and it won't change things one iota, except the price of crude.

Stained Class

I agree OP.

It's a complicated issue alright.

Closer to home,anybody who's lived in the UK for a while can see exactly what could happen here.

Dudess

Give and take seems the fairest IMO. Rigidly sticking to particular customs and only associating with the people who share those customs is bound to lead to marginalisation, however being forced to foresake most or all of those customs is not fair either.

ScumLord

If they'd put some real effort into helping African countries develop better societies then that would put a stop to a lot of immigration.

bonerm

As a for instance I've heard that German footballer Mesut Özil has frequently been criticised by Germanys Turkish population for his decision to play for Germany rather than Turkey.

I mean the guy is German, born in Germany, grew up in Germany and wants to play for the country of his birth and yet there are German Turks who would criticise that decision? So much so that during the game between Germany and Turkey in Berlin this week he was audibly singled out and booed for the full 90mins by Turkish fans (the vast majority I understand were local Berliners). This does not sound like an integrated population to me?

DublinWriter

KINGVictor wrote: »

Enough of the lecture...what do you guys think?....

What do I think? Personally it will be a cold day in hell when I take advice on cultural integration from a German.

apsalar

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On the other hand, I fully understand and acknowledge that the concept of multiculturalism as it is been operationalised in most western countries is quite deficient. Immigrants are not made to understand the fact that they live in a country which is different from their country of origin and that they have to comply with the laws.


More importantly, they are not sensitised about the vital importance of familiarising themselves with and appreciating the culture/traditions of the their host country. As such, a lot of immigrants think it is their God given right to have a huge measure of transferability...(so to speak) i.e. live in a foreign country as if they were at home.


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What you have hhighlighted is what I think the REAL problem with multiculturalism is. I speak as someone who has been an immigrant 3 times so far in life as well as having what I call an inter-cultural background that has continued through adult friendships and family.

It is very, very hard to leave your cultural baggage behind you. I think that most when coming to a new country have an expectation of acceptance, equal opportunities and at at least a reasonable willingness to work as hard as the locals. What I have seen happen and has been a real source of division comes when cultural shock (inevitable) becomes interpreted as racism, xenophobia or just plain "they don't like me". The immigrant begins to seek refuge in familiarity, discards all things strange and different as unpalatable and before you know it, has moved into a neighbourhood of "their own kind" and mental ghettoisation at least, begins to happen.

By no means am I saying this is universal...I speak from my own experiences and would say I have been guilty to some extent of the same and it takes an awful lot of self confidence and friendly understanding from local people to overcome it. I remember being astounded at the cliquiness (sp?) of Irish girls when I was in college. It really depressed me and took a long time to see that it wasn't because I was different, but because I was an "unknown"! A close older friend very dryly explained that had I been from another part of Ireland or, like herself, 20 years older than everyone else, I might very well still experience the same thing!

What I am saying is that yes, I do believe multi-culturalism as a model is a non-starter..but the question then lies in to what extent a person has to assimilate without losing their sense of self? It is very easy to feel as though one's identity is being eroded when the majority is so very different, and especially if we have very little connection with those things that we take for granted as having shaped our understanding of the world. This can be anythng from attitudes to alcohol, food, dress, etc.

I agree the onus is on the immigrant to strike the balance, but it is not an easy one, especially if one's cultural behaviour maybe at significant odds to those of the host nation.

southsiderosie

I think this is a bit disingenuous coming from Germany. As late as the 1990s, the chancellor was saying "Germany is not a country of immigrants".

Under the guest worker program, people were told they could not stay, so they had no incentive to learn the language. For those who ended up staying, they were generally locked out of the primary labor market, and were not ever granted German citizenship - again, lessening incentives to integrate. There are second and third generation Turks who still do not have citizenship because of German regulations (that were only changed recently) - is it any surprise that they do not feel accepted as a part of society?

I agree that immigrants cannot and should not show up and demand special privileges: the tradeoff for being allowed in to seek a better life is that you follow the rules of society. But the flip side to that is that social contracts run two ways, and many natives never accept immigrants or their children as fellow citizens, even if they were born in the country, speak the language, and have been to university (France is a good example of this).

From my perspective as an American, immigration in the United States has worked because the only thing that people were promised was the opportunity to work in order to build a better life for themselves and their children, and the opportunity to become a citizen if they learned the language. That's it - no welfare, no special treatment or services from the state. In return, whatever you choose to do on your own time - language, worship, etc - is on you. Historically this has worked quite well: by the third generation, there are no differences between immigrants and "natives". But that approach is unraveling a bit now, and I find it troubling.

Ultimately, I think work and social mobility are the keys to success for immigrant integration, and "Old" Europe has failed miserably on both grounds: weak labor markets and/or overly generous welfare dis-incentivize work, and social acceptance of immigrants is relatively low. It will be interesting to see where Ireland ends up.

OPENROAD

bonerm wrote: »

As a for instance I've heard that German footballer Mesut Özil has frequently been criticised by Germanys Turkish population for his decision to play for Germany rather than Turkey.

I mean the guy is German, born in Germany, grew up in Germany and wants to play for the country of his birth and yet there are German Turks who would criticise that decision? So much so that during the game between Germany and Turkey in Berlin this week he was audibly singled out and booed for the full 90mins by Turkish fans (the vast majority I understand were local Berliners). This does not sound like an integrated population to me?

I may be taking you up wrong, so sorry if I am. But what about the amount of English players that end up playing for Ireland. The situation you describe could easily be applicable to ourselves.

What about the amount of English born people that support Ireland?

th3 s1aught3r

KINGVictor wrote: »

....says Angela Merkel ( German Chancellor)

Link below:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11559451

"Mrs Merkel told a gathering of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party on Saturday that at "the beginning of the 60s our country called the foreign workers to come to Germany and now they live in our country... We kidded ourselves a while, we said: 'They won't stay, sometime they will be gone', but this isn't reality".


....

Is that the sound of Jackboots being laced up in Munich again ?

KINGVictor

Mark200 wrote: »

That bolded paragraph doesn't mean that she believes multiculturalism has failed. At all.

Neither did I imply such. If you read the entire link, she expressly indicated that muliticulturalism in Germany had failed.

The bolded part was meant to explicate the expectations of Germans about foreign workers...basically they believe that after working in the country for sometime they will go back to their country of origin, which simply didnt happen.

bonerm

OPENROAD wrote: »

I may be taking you up wrong, so sorry if I am. But what about the amount of English players that end up playing for Ireland. The situation you describe could easily be applicable to ourselves.

What about the amount of English born people that support Ireland?

I think the situation would comparable to Ireland playing England in London and 40,000 3rd generation Irish londoners turning up at the game to boo Wayne Rooney for 90mins for not declaring for Ireland.

I would say that even "Irish" people (ie British-born people whose grandparents were Irish) have integrated into British society enough that this extreme example would not happen in their cases. Not so for the German Turks it would appear.

southsiderosie

bonerm wrote: »

I think the situation would comparable to Ireland playing England in London and 40,000 3rd generation Irish londoners turning up at the game to boo Wayne Rooney for 90mins for not declaring for Ireland.

I would say that even "Irish" people (ie British people whose grandparents were British) have integrated into British society enough that this extreme example would not happen in their cases. Not so for the German Turks it would appear.

But Irish people in England arrive with basically the same rights as English people. This was absolutely not the case with Turks. Not to mention linguistic differences and far more cultural distance between Turks and Germans.

Frankly, I think that Germany's failure to integrate many of its own youngsters - especially in the former East Germany - into the norms of a social democratic society is just as scary if not more so than the failure to integrate Turks (which isn't quite the failed project it is often made out to be).

OPENROAD

bonerm wrote: »

I think the situation would comparable to Ireland playing England in London and 40,000 3rd generation Irish londoners turning up at the game to boo Wayne Rooney for 90mins for not declaring for Ireland.

I would say that even "Irish" people (ie British people whose grandparents were British) have integrated into British society enough that this extreme example would not happen in their cases. Not so for the German Turks it would appear.

Fair enough regarding the large numbers, though I did know of a few people who called Martin Keown a traitor for playing for England :rolleyes:

Regards integration, it depends on what you mean by integration.

What are peoples definition of integration?

gurramok

What she said is hugely significant. This is Germany, the most pro-politically correct European country stating the obvious which has been in denial for many years.

Has multi-culturalism failed here? Yes it has. We've had our fair few of alleged racist killings of foreigners in Drimnagh, Coolock and Tyrellstown for example.

I wonder will Germany now accept the right of Poles to work unimpeded in their country just like what Bertie did here!

bonerm

Is it just me or does it seem to be Eastern Europeans who are getting involved in most of the scuffles with locals here? I don't think I've heard of any fatalities among Asians v Irish and even the only African case I can recall was the Scissors Sisters (which was unusual in itself). By comparisons I've heard of a number of cases of Polish etc getting in trouble v local scum and of course at least two murders that I can recall.

southsiderosie

OPENROAD wrote: »

Fair enough regarding the large numbers, though I did know of a few people who called Martin Keown a traitor for playing for England :rolleyes:

Regards integration, it depends on what you mean by integration.

What are peoples definition of integration?

I would classify integration as convergence with natives in terms of language, education and socioeconomic status. Some also use inter-marriage as a measure of integration.

This article from Der Spiegel (it's in English) gives an overview of Turkish integration.

PanchoVilla

I'm confused. So immigrants moved to Germany but retained their own culture instead of assimilating into German culture and that means multiculturalism has failed? Do I have an incorrect perception of what multiculturalism entails?

Oh, and I don't really like the attitude of "we invited foreigners to our country to help us in a time of need but now that we're doing better we want you all to leave". This whole thing stinks of a fascist revival to me, especially when you consider the new Hitler museum in in Germany and all.

southsiderosie

gurramok wrote: »

What she said is hugely significant. This is Germany, the most pro-politically correct European country stating the obvious which has been in denial for many years.

Has multi-culturalism failed here? Yes it has. We've had our fair few of alleged racist killings of foreigners in Drimnagh, Coolock and Tyrellstown for example.

I wonder will Germany now accept the right of Poles to work unimpeded in their country just like what Bertie did here!

I'm not seeing the connection here. How are you defining multi-culturalism? And how are skangers attacking foreigners a failure of foreigners to integrate?

Honestly I think a lot of the problems with immigration in Ireland stem from the fact that there are a lot of un-integrated socially isolated Irish people, who then lash out at foreigners as the root of all their problems.

OPENROAD

southsiderosie wrote: »

I would classify integration as convergence with natives in terms of language, education and socioeconomic status. Some also use inter-marriage as a measure of integration.

This article from Der Spiegel (it's in English) gives an overview of Turkish integration.

Would be interested to hear other peoples Interpretation of integration

Terry

Of course it failed. It always fails.
We're a self centred people by nature, much like every other animal/mammal on the planet.

Get a bunch of dogs of any breed. Have them live in one place for 7 years.
Then introduce another 7 year old dog from another pack and watch them fight.
That's territorialism covered.
Humanity, at its core, is no different.

Economic migrants are the worst kind.
They travel to another country and only expect to stay there for a few years. Get a bit of money together, sent a bit home, save a bit, and then move back home, get a half decent job and supplement their wages with their savings.
Unfortunately that rarely ever happens.

The reality is that they try to live on little or nothing in a country with a far higher cost of living than their own. They spend little time with the natives. Instead they live with their own countrymen, make little effort to integrate into the society they have chosen to live in because they expect to go home within a couple of years, and then meet someone, have a child, realise that things are not working out as expected and change their plans.

Unfortunately they have spent so much time refusing to integrate, and only associating with those of their own nationality/culture, they now find it difficult to integrate.

They struggle to learn the native language, and find themselves isolated from the natives because of this. Resentment now grows on both sides, despite the initial good will.

This is when then immigrants begin to seek out their own fellow settlers. They will look to find accomodation close to their fellow countrymen. Then the ghettos are formed. More resentment follows.

They're the good ones. Now for the bad ones.
The bad ones are those who enter a foreign country with absolutely no intention of ever leaving, or adapting to the local customs.
They bring their own customs and expect everyone else to adapt to their wants and needs.
As far as they are concerned, the locals are idiots for not having the same traits or beliefs. This set of immigrants believe they are above local laws and customs. Then they wonder why they are hated.

Then I got distracted and forgot my point.

It was something along the lines of; when you move to a country where people speak the same language as you, chances are you'll integrate quite well.
If you choose to adapt to the local customs and are willing to learn the local language, you will get along well.
If you respect the local customs, you will get along well.

However, if you walk around flaunting the local laws, then you're boned.
If you ignore the local customs and cry racism when the locals disagree with your behaviour, then you will not be well liked.

When in Rome, do as the Romans.

mikemac

I asked a German co-worker about this.
Well coming from a football perspective, I don't exactly bring up multicultural debates in work. I plan to stay out of the HR office

A player Lukas Podolski was born in Poland but plays in Germany.
Something we Irish are well used to with the grandfather/granny rule.

But many Germans would consider Western Poland and the Baltic territory to be German land.
And when Prussia was around, it was.
So they wouldn't accept he is Polish, no that area in Poland was German land in the past, he is German.

And certainly a lot of Germans have no love for 3.5 million Turks (well people of Turkish origin) in their country.

bobblepuzzle

This type of speak from the German head of state is truely shocking...

Never forget what led the Nazis to power!

Though I think people are forgetting

th3 s1aught3r

Cmdr Keen wrote: »

This type of speak from the German head of state is truely shocking...

Never forget what led the Nazis to power!

Though I thing people are forgetting

Do you think Germany might go for the hat trick ?

ScumLord

Terry wrote: »

Of course it failed. It always fails.
We're a self centred people by nature, much like every other animal/mammal on the planet.

I don't know, I've seen people of all races, cultures and religions blend well together when they met as equals on a level playing field, it happens on a regular basis all over the world.
People can have their own culture and love it while still enjoying other cultures. The problem here is too many came too quick. I don't think the last 10-20 years are a bad reflection on any particular group other than those that encouraged and allowed such an upheaval to happen without considering the consequences.

Nodin

gbee wrote: »

I'm going to email a copy to that lowlife.

Against advise to the contrary as it was already beginning to have cracks in other countries, Bertie sold out our beautiful country and whilst the economic holocaust will pass, we have made the ingredients for American style slums, drive by shootings, mega scale drugs that will never fade away.

What total fantasy **** land are you living in, as a matter of interest? We have slums, shootings and fairly large scale drugs. It has sweet **** all to do with immigrants, "multiculturalism" or the Eastern Europe EU accession countries.......

OPENROAD

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't know, I've seen people of all races, cultures and religions blend well together when they met as equals on a level playing field, it happens on a regular basis all over the world.
People can have their own culture and love it while still enjoying other cultures. The problem here is too many came too quick. I don't think the last 10-20 years are a bad reflection on any particular group other than those that encouraged and allowed such an upheaval to happen without considering the consequences.

+ 1

I see it in London all the time

southsiderosie

One hundred years ago, most Americans would NEVER have guessed that the Irish would have not only integrated, but there would actually be an Irish Catholic President.

The Irish were seen as drunken violent crooked papists, who were little better than apes, and who had the social standing of blacks. And this is despite the fact that they spoke the language.

Yes first generation economic migrants basically stick to their own ethnic communities. And they harp on their second generation kids not to become "too American" or "too whatever country it is". But this does not necessarily hurt their integration in the long run, and with some ethnic groups (Chinese and Cubans for example) it has actually helped move the entire ethnic community up the socio-economic ladder.

Immigration and integration do not always fail. It may get ugly, but it is not destined to fail.

Terry

Just read over the last few posts.
Apparently it's wrong to mention the British occupation of Ireland, but criticising the Germans over their actions in WW2 is fine.

Hypocricy is funny.

OPENROAD

Going on what people are defining as integration the vast vast majority of immigrants integrate imo

SuperInfinity

Multiculturalism was always a big joke.

People should just live in their own goddamn lands, that their ancestors lived in. That's how it should work.

Nodin

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Multiculturalism was always a big joke.

People should just live in their own goddamn lands, that their ancestors lived in. That's how it should work.

We're indo-European or something. You think the country should feck off back to the punjab?

southsiderosie

feelingstressed wrote: »

I asked a German co-worker about this.
Well coming from a football perspective, I don't exactly bring up multicultural debates in work. I plan to stay out of the HR office

A player Lukas Podolski was born in Poland but plays in Germany.
Something we Irish are well used to with the grandfather/granny rule.

But many Germans would consider Western Poland and the Baltic territory to be German land.
And when Prussia was around, it was.
So they wouldn't accept he is Polish, no that area in Poland was German land in the past, he is German.

And certainly a lot of Germans have no love for 3.5 million Turks (well people of Turkish origin) in their country.

Which is what makes ideas about German citizenship so bizarre: it is all based on blood. You may speak Polish, and your family lived in Poland for generations, but you have more rights to German citizenship than third-generation Turk in Germany. When citizenship is based on blood rather than some kind of shared civic ideal, is it any wonder that immigrants don't feel like they are a part of society, and "natives" reject these immigrants as fellow citizens?

southsiderosie

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Multiculturalism was always a big joke.

People should just live in their own goddamn lands, that their ancestors lived in. That's how it should work.

Says the person from the island nation. :rolleyes:

People here seem to be using "multiculturalism" as a euphemism for "immigration". They are not the same thing.

Stained Class

OPENROAD wrote: »

+ 1

I see it in London all the time

Really? This is not the London I saw 20 years ago.

I lived in Harlsden NW10. This postcode was mainly on fire.

gurramok

southsiderosie wrote: »

I'm not seeing the connection here. How are you defining multi-culturalism? And how are skangers attacking foreigners a failure of foreigners to integrate?

Honestly I think a lot of the problems with immigration in Ireland stem from the fact that there are a lot of un-integrated socially isolated Irish people, who then lash out at foreigners as the root of all their problems.

No. There have been too many immigrants(20% of the population at one count) here in such a short time.

How many have integrated? Feck all and you know it. They still speak their own languages. At least the Asians speak English and are the most courteous of the immigrants.

OPENROAD

Stained Class wrote: »

Really? This is not the London I saw 20 years ago.

I lived in Harlsden NW10. This postcode was mainly on fire.

Yes really, you are talking about 20 years ago, come on that is a lifetime ago.

Very much so, you will see people of all races working/socialising together.

Just look in the aftermath of 7/7 if you were in London around that time you will understand

gbee

Nodin wrote: »

What total fantasy **** land are you living in, as a matter of interest? We have slums, shootings and fairly large scale drugs. It has sweet **** all to do with immigrants, "multiculturalism" or the Eastern Europe EU accession countries.......

I know, but I was not talking about Limerick, we levelled that place with bulldozers. And I did mention 'seeds'

BTW, I don't need to w..., but I can certainly recognise a plant when I hear one. Are you Dan Boyle?

OPENROAD

gurramok wrote: »

No. There have been too many immigrants(20% of the population at one count) here in such a short time.

How many have integrated? Feck all and you know it. They still speak their own languages. At least the Asians speak English and are the most courteous of the immigrants.

Besides language, what do you define as integration?

southsiderosie

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't know, I've seen people of all races, cultures and religions blend well together when they met as equals on a level playing field, it happens on a regular basis all over the world.
People can have their own culture and love it while still enjoying other cultures. The problem here is too many came too quick. I don't think the last 10-20 years are a bad reflection on any particular group other than those that encouraged and allowed such an upheaval to happen without considering the consequences.

Stained Class wrote: »

Really? This is not the London I saw 20 years ago.

I lived in Harlsden NW10. This postcode was mainly on fire.

But I think the key point is "equals on a level playing field". Most middle and upper middle class white collar professionals who work with and live near their immigrant counterparts do not see them as a threat to their economic resources (or state benefits). In addition, there is a strong correlation between education status and attitudes towards immigration.

I think a lot of the time there is local conflict when economic migrants move to where the cheap rent is - often in economically deprived areas. Locals see immigrants as "taking our jobs", even if the locals haven't worked a day in their lives. The immigrants see that the locals don't work, and have no respect for them and think they are lazy (I have had this very conversation with a number of Poles in Ireland and African and Mexican immigrants in the US). Tensions get even higher when immigrants are eligible for state benefits, because now natives are in direct competition with immigrants for scarce state resources.

apsalar

gurramok wrote: »

No. There have been too many immigrants(20% of the population at one count) here in such a short time.

How many have integrated? Feck all and you know it. They still speak their own languages. At least the Asians speak English and are the most courteous of the immigrants.

Rubbish and you know it.....how many immigrants have YOU personally known? And I don't mean "Hi Marius" in work...I mean invited home for dinner, had their kids over to play?

Intergration is a two-way street. In my own opinion the Asians intergrate the least! And I would say that over and over and not change it. All the countries I've lived in they are the most insular, especially if they hail from the Indian sub-continent and I fully recognise this as a consequence of a very, very restrictive religious/cultural background.

And as far as I know, majority of Africans here speak English. The francophone countries send people to France and Belgium.

The Eastern Europeans can at least read English and ability to speak the language is not indicative of undertsanding of the spoken form.

Is it that you hear foreigners converse in their own languages and that bothers you? I find some Irish people don't like it. And it mystifies me since what else is a person to do? Stop speaking their native tongue?

southsiderosie

gurramok wrote: »

No. There have been too many immigrants(20% of the population at one count) here in such a short time.

How many have integrated? Feck all and you know it. They still speak their own languages. At least the Asians speak English and are the most courteous of the immigrants.

Why are Irish people so threatened by people who speak other languages? I could not believe the nasty looks people gave me when I spoke Spanish publicly in Ireland (with Spanish friends). And I'm a native English speaker, FFS.

TBH I don't give a **** what language immigrants speak, how or who they worship, what they want to wear on their heads, whatever. As long as they do not ask for special entitlements, don't expect anyone else to do the crazy **** they want to do, and their crazy **** is legal and doesn't affect me, I DON'T CARE. And I don't get why other people get so worked up about it.