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One thing we didn't do when extending/renovating was replace the front door which is that awful aluminium and the condensation is fierce and it's creating mold around the area.
The glass section is 3/4 of the door which doesn't help but the hall would be fairly dark without it but am willing to go with smaller glass, there's no room on either side to fit a window but will see if it's possible to fit a window.
So which would be better when replacing it, regular PVC or timber?
Back door is PVC and it's more ventilated there because of windows near by it does create a little condensation and the odd bit of mold now and then but nothing severe so was thinking perhaps a timber door in front would be better.
Would there be a huge problem with the timber door expanding and shrinking though?
Would it effect a BER rating much?
Having BER done next week so it's not going to make any difference to our rating at this stage but just interested to know.
Is it possible to fit some sort of little window into the actual door to help with light and ventilation or would it look silly?
You can get insulated uPVC doors as another option, the ones I have seen look sturdy enough. Some decent double glazing panes should mean you can have a decent sized window as well.
One thing we didn't do when extending/renovating was replace the front door which is that awful aluminium and the condensation is fierce and it's creating mold around the area.
The glass section is 3/4 of the door which doesn't help but the hall would be fairly dark without it but am willing to go with smaller glass, there's no room on either side to fit a window but will see if it's possible to fit a window.
So which would be better when replacing it, regular PVC or timber?
Back door is PVC and it's more ventilated there because of windows near by it does create a little condensation and the odd bit of mold now and then but nothing severe so was thinking perhaps a timber door in front would be better.
Would there be a huge problem with the timber door expanding and shrinking though?
Would it effect a BER rating much?
Having BER done next week so it's not going to make any difference to our rating at this stage but just interested to know.
Is it possible to fit some sort of little window into the actual door to help with light and ventilation or would it look silly?
Any suggestions welcome.
Why not look at a composite door? Good U values and no isssues with shrinking/expanding like timber doors
6 panel Georgian door.I chose a wood effect coating in black.Very good U-Vaue of 0.205 too and one hell of a sturdy door too.
The 2 front window strips and also the 2 side glass windows are tripple glazed,with bespoke hand laid stained/leaded glass which is sandwiched in between 2 panes of clear glass.
We put in a timber door when we first built the house just over 4 years ago now. This winter we will have to change it to uPVC as the timber door lets in some drafts. Its very well insulated around the door but these doors do shrink and expand and this is causing the problems. They also have vents at the bottom of the door for ventilation but this is what is causing us the most problems. So i wouldnt go for a timber door again even though they are lovely.
Love that door Paddy, our door way wouldn't be as big but I love the look of it. Do the composite doors work out much dearer?
They cost feck all now compared to say a year ago.
You will still pay a few hundread euro more for a propper composite insulated door,then compared to a normal/run of the mill UPVC door,but the benifits in extra comfort and also extra security are so well worth the extra money.Trust me.:)
P.S-That door of mine is a standard 2100 x 900 wide sized door opening,the 2 front window strips and also the 2 larger side window strips were custom made to suit the design of the porch on the house.Then my mate who does hand laid stained and designer glass panels did all the glass work for the porch windows.
Theres also a small spy hole built into the door knocker so that you can see the person outside,so you know who is knocking at the door,before you open it to them.
Also had the 2 porch lights rigged up to a PIR dector above the door so thet the lights come on as someone enters the driveway or if me or my missus is driving into the driveway.Its a nice wellcomming feeling home but also its a security measure too.
Can I just bump this thread to say PM sent to paddy147.....got a quote for a composite door and it was astronomical. I know they are meant to be better in terms of heat loss, but would a well sealed timber door be good enough to keep a draughty hallway warm? Any thoughts??
Can I just bump this thread to say PM sent to paddy147.....got a quote for a composite door and it was astronomical. I know they are meant to be better in terms of heat loss, but would a well sealed timber door be good enough to keep a draughty hallway warm? Any thoughts??
how much?? dont name the company..but just ball park..maybe someone can compare
I got a quote for timber framed composite double doors with a 900mm side light and a composite back door >6000euros.Does this sound exorbitant
I am not sure paddy and 48nico are talking about the same type of door.
48nico ... a quote of €6,000 may appear exorbitant to one man and inexpensive to another.
However, it is hard to judge if the quote you mention represents Value without knowing some of the details.
Is your quote of €6,000 for 2 timber -alu composite items ?
approx dimensions 2700mm (W) x 2100mm (H) and 900mm (W) x 2100(H) ?
Does the price include installation ?
If so does the installation price include for uninstalling old items ?
Does the price include for the removal and disposal of old items ?
Does the price include for making good after the installation ?
Does the price include VAT ?
If you can let us know the above, it will be much easier to judge if the quotation represents good value or not.
I am not sure paddy and 48nico are talking about the same type of door.
48nico ... a quote of €6,000 may appear exorbitant to one man and inexpensive to another.
However, it is hard to judge if the quote you mention represents Value without knowing some of the details.
Is your quote of €6,000 for 2 timber -alu composite items ?
approx dimensions 2700mm (W) x 2100mm (H) and 900mm (W) x 2100(H) ?
Does the price include installation ?
If so does the installation price include for uninstalling old items ?
Does the price include for the removal and disposal of old items ?
Does the price include for making good after the installation ?
Does the price include VAT ?
If you can let us know the above, it will be much easier to judge if the quotation represents good value or not.
the front doors are approx 1800mm(w)2100(h) side light 900(w) 2100(h)
these double doors are stepped out so original door is not installed
back door is 900(w) 2100(h) original back door is uninstalled
doors are composite doors supplied from a well known large company
Manufactured from compression moulded glass fibre and high density polyurethane
the front doors are approx 1800mm(w)2100(h) side light 900(w) 2100(h)
these double doors are stepped out so original door is not installed
back door is 900(w) 2100(h) original back door is uninstalled
doors are composite doors supplied from a well known large company
Manufactured from compression moulded glass fibre and high density polyurethane
the price of 6500 includes vat
10 year guarantee
Net price: 5,727 (assuming 13.5% VAT)
Have they included for disposing of your old back door ?
Have they included for making good the plaster damage on the back door ?
I will assume that they have not included any other works around the front door and side light other than installing the items.
If the installers are not undertaking any "making good work" it is probably 1 day for 2 men to fit this job.
Unless the Door design is elaborate the quote does seem a little high.
I am not an expert on composite doors, but the same items in a high quality timber would be in the region of €5,500 incl VAT
Just out of curiousity you mention in your first post "Timber Framed Composite Double Doors" is there any timber in them at all ?
The glass ?
The locking mechanism ?
The hinges ?
The seals ?
The surface finish ?
The plastic, sorry I mean the compression moulded glass fibre and high density polyurethane ?
the double Door design is elaborate with glass decor in each of the doudle doors the back door is plain
Sub-frame System
Composite construction engineered sub-frame
Laminated PVC-Ue profiles to outer edge laminated to
timber inner frame
Sorry the warranty is for 5 years on door leafs,paint,double glazed glass,The lock, hinges and handles have a 1 year manufacturer’s warranty
If the design is elaborate and includes decorative glass then I think the price seems reasonable value.
If you are serious about going ahead, I would give them a call and do a final haggle you should be able to get at least another 5%-10% off. If you think it should be 50% less then that is less likely to happen.
Thank you for clarifying the information about the "10 Year Guarantee"
I would get another 2 quotes, I have had companies chance there arm plenty of times charging well above the actual market value of building stuff.
In my opinion I would be thinking about half what that company is charging would be a reasonable price, maybe even a bit on the high side. Then again, if the door is far above what any other company can do it might be worth it, either way the important thing is that your getting value for money instead of lining some chancer's pockets
Just to update i got more quotes,i picked one another large company and they can do the exact same for 4,900euros.so i will let you how it turns out many thanks for your imput
i have 2 hardwood timber doors. i need some draft excluders now, as the heat has just been turned on. Can anybody suggest where i can get good ones, or maybe pm me a name of some types.
i have 2 hardwood timber doors. i need some draft excluders now, as the heat has just been turned on. Can anybody suggest where i can get good ones, or maybe pm me a name of some types.
thanks
You obviously have never gone to a decent DIY store or a builders providers/merchants then??
BnQ,Woodies,TJ O Mahonies,Chadwicks,Heaton Buckleys,Brooks,Grange Builders Providers.
If you cant find good ones in the places listed above then you may try looking somewhere in Europe as the best draft excluders I have seen are stocked by the above businesses.
Leave it at that. Attack the post and not the poster.
I am attacking the post.Its not very hard to go into any of the diy stores/builders providers mentioned above,and ask the question or even maybe actually go to the section where they would stock doors/windows,seals,draught excluders and even the section where they would stock insulation products.;)
Just to update i got more quotes,i picked one another large company and they can do the exact same for 4,900euros.so i will let you how it turns out many thanks for your imput
Update, have been waiting since november for the company to install the doors,asked for my deposit back today,so many excuses from them ,damage door ,frame wrong size,so im back to square one:(,
