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What exercise to do

  • 09-10-2010 3:36pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,595 ✭✭✭


    I am a size 8-10, female, 19yo and 5"5.

    I ave a slight pot-belly which I want to lose, but I have no idea which exercise to do.

    I walk a lot (I don't drive).

    I have a balanced diet (according to a Dietitian at the hospital anyway!). I do drink fizzy drinks (Coke!) most days.

    Any help appreciated,

    Thanks.

    PS: I've no money for a gym either!:( And am only able to do exercises at weekends!


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭Dotcomdolly


    I did Jillian Michaels 30 Day Shred dvd at one stage (though I only did it every 2nd day) and found it very effective.
    I'm sure you know yourself to dump the soft drinks & replace them with water - bet all that fizz has an effect on your pot belly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Roger Marbles


    I am a size 8-10, female, 19yo and 5"5.

    I ave a slight pot-belly which I want to lose, but I have no idea which exercise to do.

    I walk a lot (I don't drive).

    I have a balanced diet (according to a Dietitian at the hospital anyway!). I do drink fizzy drinks (Coke!) most days.

    Any help appreciated,

    Thanks.


    PS: I've no money for a gym either!:( And am only able to do exercises at weekends!

    Post a normal day diet for you and we'll see what it is like. As for size 8-10 I and probably other guys here have no idea what that means.

    Why are you only able to do exercises at weekends btw?

    Essentially you want to lose body fat from your central area so you look 'toned'. To achieve this will involve tightening your diet up, doing resistance work (weights) and a bit of cardio.

    Check these links out as well while you get back with the answers to the above:


    The post at the begging of page 3 might surprise you!:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055963342

    http://thetransformationcatalyst.wordpress.com/category/nutrition/

    and this one: might change your mindset on weights and what women can lift...
    http://thetransformationcatalyst.wordpress.com/category/amazing-transformations/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,595 ✭✭✭The Lovely Muffin


    Thank you both for replying.
    Post a normal day diet for you and we'll see what it is like. As for size 8-10 I and probably other guys here have no idea what that means.

    Why are you only able to do exercises at weekends btw?

    Essentially you want to lose body fat from your central area so you look 'toned'. To achieve this will involve tightening your diet up, doing resistance work (weights) and a bit of cardio.

    Check these links out as well while you get back with the answers to the above:


    The post at the begging of page 3 might surprise you!:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055963342

    http://thetransformationcatalyst.wordpress.com/category/nutrition/

    and this one: might change your mindset on weights and what women can lift...
    http://thetransformationcatalyst.wordpress.com/category/amazing-transformations/
    I am in college Monday to Friday, I leave my house at 6.20am most mornings and don't get home until 6-8pm most evening's and when I get home, I have something to eat and do my homework/revision, which takes time. I have to go to bed at 9.30-10pm as I am up at 4.45am.

    A normal day diet for me:
    Breakfast: Don't eat anything first thing, only a cuppa Tea

    Morning break: Tea/Hot Chocolate - sometimes (rarely) I'll have a Sausage or pudding or soup

    Lunch break (1pm): Soup and bread or Spicy Wedges or Lasagne & Chips

    Snack on the bus (4/5pm): Roll with with Ham/Cheese filling

    Dinner (8-9pm): Potatoes, veg, meat or Soup bread or Pizza or Lasagne & Chips (or Lasagne on it's own)

    Lately I have started to eat some Fruit (Plums) and Yoghurts.

    As for a size 8-10, I meant clothes size. I wasn't sure whether it was relevant or not, but thought include it in case it is relevant.

    Thank for your help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Roger Marbles


    Thank you both for replying.

    I am in college Monday to Friday, I leave my house at 6.20am most mornings and don't get home until 6-8pm most evening's and when I get home, I have something to eat and do my homework/revision, which takes time. I have to go to bed at 9.30-10pm as I am up at 4.45am.

    A normal day diet for me:



    As for a size 8-10, I meant clothes size. I wasn't sure whether it was relevant or not, but thought include it in case it is relevant.

    Thank for your help.

    Sorry for the bluntness....I don't know what dietician you have seen, but that is not even close to a "balanced". It's really below par.

    No offence intended, but honestly, do you think your breakfast is up to scratch? It's the most important meal in the day and you are just having a cup of tea?! You get to 1pm in the day and you still haven't eaten any good quality food of note. What you are basically doing is lowering your body's metabolism by such eating habits and generally favoring the accumulation of fat.

    The links I've given you above will give you loads of info about improving your diet...but if you want to lose bodyfat, which I'm sure you do, then you are going to have to increase your metabolism and that means eating 5-6 quality meals a day containing good carbs, protein and good fats. I suspect your diet is what is holding you back and if you kept doing your exercises, modified your diet and did a bit of resistance work, you would notice a world of difference in both your physique and energy levels throughout the day.

    Really instead of asking, as the title thread says, what exercise to do, you should be concentrating on your diet, as no matter what exercise you do now or in the future, it won't matter a thing if you don't master the diet side of things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Is time the problem that prevents you from eating breakfast? you could have something like Flahavans prepared in the same time as you boil the kettle.. Personally I find that If I miss breakfast, I find that I'm hungry all day and end up eating later in to the night, which is not good.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    If you described you above diet to a dietician and they said it was balanced..... then I really do not know what to say..... although can't say I'm suprised, heard a GP rambling on about how useless the ditician he knows is, he couldn't get over it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    you have 10-15mins to do some home based exercise every day or at least every other day. This will not only help with your goal but also make you study better.

    Some variation of a mix of body weight exercises and some weights will get you a super workout in 10-15mins - e.g. (let me know mods that the video is ok)



    If you did not have a kettlebell you could simply do press ups instead of the rows. There are hundreds of variations e.g. squats, core work, bench dips, step ups, box jumps, skipping, burpees, lots of exercises just using a band etc

    There are plenty of options but IMO you are making a statement instead of asking a question and looking for an answer


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,595 ✭✭✭The Lovely Muffin


    Thank you for your replies everyone. I did describe my diet to the Dietitian and she said it was a balanced diet, so when she said that I thought my diet was fine. I will most definitely be changing my diet and I will start some exercises and hopefully I will see some results.
    Is time the problem that prevents you from eating breakfast? you could have something like Flahavans prepared in the same time as you boil the kettle.. Personally I find that If I miss breakfast, I find that I'm hungry all day and end up eating later in to the night, which is not good.
    It's not just the time, I get the bus to Dublin each day and I find that if I eat before the bus journey, I end up feeling nauseas all days (I don't know why)

    What would this be like for a diet? It's just a rough idea though.
    Breakfast: Cereal or Sandwich or Toast and cup of tea?

    Morning Break: Fruit or Sandwich with Tea/Hot Chocolate

    Lunch Break: Soup & Bread or Lasagne & Chips or Spicy Wedges (there's isn't much variety at college canteen and only a chip shop near by).

    Snack on the bus: Fruit

    Dinner (8-9pm): Potatoes, veg + meat or soup & roll or Lasagne & chips or pasta

    The reason my dinner is late in the evening is simply because of the time I get home at, if I could get home earlier, I would have my dinner earlier. Also, not sure how relevant/irrelevant it is, but I am hoping to move to closer to college within the next few weeks (I haven't done so yet as I haven't found anywhere).

    Thanks again for the replies and fwiw, I prefer bluntness to sugar-coating.:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Roger Marbles


    Thank you for your replies everyone. I did describe my diet to the Dietitian and she said it was a balanced diet, so when she said that I thought my diet was fine. I will most definitely be changing my diet and I will start some exercises and hopefully I will see some results.

    It's not just the time, I get the bus to Dublin each day and I find that if I eat before the bus journey, I end up feeling nauseas all days (I don't know why)

    What would this be like for a diet? It's just a rough idea though.



    The reason my dinner is late in the evening is simply because of the time I get home at, if I could get home earlier, I would have my dinner earlier. Also, not sure how relevant/irrelevant it is, but I am hoping to move to closer to college within the next few weeks (I haven't done so yet as I haven't found anywhere).

    Thanks again for the replies and fwiw, I prefer bluntness to sugar-coating.:)

    Breakfast: Get up 15 mins earlier and eat porridge. Mix some flaxseed in with it. Have some fruit instead of toast. Take some fish oils also. Consider getting some protein in there too e.g whey etc.

    Morning: Fruit = good, sandwich = not a good choice. Buy some plastic containers and prepare some food the night before. Hot chocolate = not a good choice. Buy some chocolate with 70% cocoa or more and eat that. Eat some healthy nuts as well.

    Lunch: Soup = okay, bread = not a good choice unless wholemeal. Chips and spicy wedges = not a good choice. Cut out the processed food, prepare your own food the night before and bring it with you or make healthier choices when it comes to carbs.

    Snack: Fruit = good but not enough on its own, again figure out how to get some protein in.

    Dinner: potatoes = good, the rest lasagna, chips, roll, pasta = rubbish. Try fish?

    Listen you seem to have really good intentions and that's a great starting point. But you are going to fall short if you continue with your plan above. To be blunt:

    * check out Transform's nutrition videos.
    * figure out your daily maintenance calories (check out the various formulae on google etc)....
    * go 15-20% below this on a daily basis to create a calorie deficit for fat loss.
    * eat this amount of calories over 5-6 meals
    * refine your food choices: less and better quality carbs, more protein, more protein again, good fats e.g fish oils, flaxseed etc. Read Tom Venuto's Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle book if you are really interested.
    * do the exercises Transform mentioned above
    * ignore what other people think of your new eating habits and watch them with envy when you start to show them your new toned physique
    * bask in your accomplishment and continue to eat healthy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭wersal gummage


    hey, i'm not an expert put would just add the following:

    check the soup - some of the stuff you get in a carton can be crap and full of salt (maybe try making your own soup at home in a blender - it is really easy but wont last as long - i.e. you will have to make it regularly and not keep it in the fridge for weeks).

    secondly, at your age you really should be doing more than just exercise at the weekends. i know you are busy but there's nobody so busy they cant squeeze in 15 mins of skipping or something - anything is better than nothing. it is best to get into a routine now. i haven't looked at teh video that someone posted above - but if it is a 15 mins high intensity type work out - perfect! (15 mins is only because you are so busy - you should really be trying for more).

    take you're weight or measure your waist or whatever and write it down somewhere. stick to your new diet and exercise a bit more and dont weight yourself for a few weeks - it can be really off putting to weigh yourself regularly and find you are losing nothing/a pound or two at the very start. waiting a few weeks and having measurable results can be more motivating i find (although i'm putting on weight not losing it !).

    good luck :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    If you prefer bluntness then here you go:

    Breakfast: You might as well eat rubbish. Get up 15 mins earlier and eat porridge. Mix some flaxseed in with it. Have some fruit instead of toast. Take some fish oils also. Consider getting some protein in there too e.g whey etc.

    Morning: Fruit = good, sandwich = rubbish again. Buy some plastic containers and prepare some food the night before. Hot chocolate = rubbish. Buy some chocolate with 70% cocoa or more and eat that. Eat some healthy nuts as well.

    Lunch: Soup = okay, bread = rubbish unless wholemeal. Chips and spicy wedges = rubbish. Cut out the processed food, prepare your own food the night before and bring it with you or make healthier choices when it comes to carbs.

    Snack: Fruit = good but not enough on its own, again figure out how to get some protein in.

    Dinner: potatoes = good, the rest lasagna, chips, roll, pasta = rubbish. Try fish?

    Listen you seem to have really good intentions and that's a great starting point. But you are going to fail miserably if you continue with this kind of diet. To be blunt:

    * check out Transform's nutrition videos, you really are struggling here..
    * figure out your daily maintenance calories (check out the various formulae on google etc)....
    * go 15-20% below this on a daily basis to create a calorie deficit for fat loss.
    * eat this amount of calories over 5-6 meals
    * refine your food choices: less and better quality carbs, more protein, more protein again, good fats e.g fish oils, flaxseed etc. Read Tom Venuto's Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle book if you are really interested.
    * do the exercises Transform mentioned above
    * ignore what other people think of your new eating habits and watch them with envy when you start to show them your new toned physique
    * bask in your accomplishment and continue to eat healthy.

    While the OP stated that they prefer bluntness to sugar coating could I ask that you reel it in a little and remember that you are talking to a 19 yr old student, who stated in post 4 that she is up at 04:45 each school morning and does not get home from college until some time between 18:00 and 20:00, at which time she needs to get something to eat and do homework/study. So throwing out things like get up earlier and prepare meals before you go to bed may not be as easy as you seem to think.

    OP can I ask if you are living at home with your parents or living on your own/with friends in digs?

    Also what type of canteen facilities are available to you during the day?


    M


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,595 ✭✭✭The Lovely Muffin


    B-Builder wrote: »
    <snip>

    OP can I ask if you are living at home with your parents or living on your own/with friends in digs?

    Also what type of canteen facilities are available to you during the day?


    M
    I live at home - though I am hopefully moving closer to college within the the next few weeks.

    At college we are not allowed to bring in our own lunch, any food we eat on the college premises, must be purchased from the college canteen. :( If we could bring in our own food, then I would cook extra dinner the evening before and bring it with me for lunch.

    In the canteen, the only foods available are: Sausage, Rasher, Pudding, Beans, Chili tacos (or whatever they're called), chips, lasagne & chips, spicy wedges, soup & rolls/bread, sandwiches - nothing else really, some days they might have Spag Bol, but not often. Which is why for lunch I tend to have the same foods each day as there isn't much/any variety.

    There is a chip-shop down the road, but it isn't nice!

    And as for getting up earlier, I get 6.5hrs sleep each night - which is barely enough - any less and I would be falling asleep during classes!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭xinchao


    Hey there,

    With regards to eating 6-7 meals a day and drinking whey protein drinks etc, you don't need to. you're not a bodybuilder, you just need to shed a few pounds! In fact the situation is difficult you are in. What I would do is bring in a lunch box, make up some wholewheat tortilla wraps, you can buy some chicken breasts and cook them over the weekend and put them in a tupperwear box, have another tupperwear box for some salad so in the morning you can throw them all in together, make two for the day, use some salad dressing or french oil dressing but only a tablespoon per wrap. Eat them at the start of one of your classes or between classes, no-one will stop you! Otherwise as the Op said, try and get breakfast into in the morning. Eating some porriage will give you the energy you need for the morning and the wrap will do for lunch and mid-afternoon snack.
    For dinner you can make numerous things that are very quick and healthy,
    frozen veg in the microwave is fine, it will retain more vitamins and minerals than boiling and steaming, also why not just oven bake some fresh fish like salmon wrapped up in tinfoil and seasoned with salt, lemon and pepper. It's fast easy and healthy. There are millions of recipes online that are very quick and easy to prep. In the late evening have a can of tuna or sardines or nuts. If you are hungary during the day have a bag of trailmix to nibble on.
    I know time is important to you so doing a little more research on google will help you. Exercise and a healthy diet is the way to go. Although it sounds like if you are 5'5" and a size 8-10 then you are quite slim. Therefore your stomach fat is the most difficult to get rid of, however, seeing that you probably don't have much bodyfat per se getting rid of it shouldn't be so difficult if you stopping eating crap like chips and lasagne everyday. Cut out fried foods altogether, you can have one day where you cheat a little but don't go mental!
    Wait until you move to your new place and then you will have lot more time. Remember there is a golden rule, always eat small meals several times a day. Three meals isn't the way to go to lose weight. Eating several small meals will increase your metabolism and that's what you want to do! With regard to working out or exercising there are lots of exercise you can do in your own room. No need to join a gym. Pushups, situps, walking, cycling, swimming, skipping, buy a small pair of dumbells from argos, they can be bought for less than €50 or even try on Gumtree.ie, you might pick up something very very cheap...
    If you do get weights like those i mentioned then just look up some exercises for dumbells on google and you'll find plenty of exercises there for beginners. It's up to you to find something that will suit you, everyone is different!
    Goodluck!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    If an when you move closer to college will this enable you to go home for lunch or will you still be stuck on campus for lunch? Do you have any friends who live close to college to whose place you could go for lunch? Is there not a salad bar available in the college canteen?

    I would be great if you could go home for lunch, but if that is not an option, then I would be having a word with the student union or the powers that be in the college about not being allowed to bring in your own food, given the fare which is available to you in the campus canteen. There is no way I would accept being practically forced to eat junk food for a number of years while I was in college.

    I reckon that you would find your concentration and overall energy levels would be better if you could eat more wholesome foods, as well as being able to keep fit and healthy.

    Worst case scenario you will just have to do your best to eat healthy wholesome foods at the times you have control over your diet and choose the healthiest option available when in college.


    M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭TommyKnocker


    I don't mean to be smart, but have you read all the OP's posts in this thread???
    xinchao wrote: »
    Hey there,

    With regards to eating 6-7 meals a day and drinking whey protein drinks etc, you don't need to. you're not a bodybuilder,

    You don't need to be a body builder to use whey protein! While I would recommend getting as much as you daily protein requirements from food, whey protein is simply another source of protein, and as long as the calories provided by the whey are counted in the OP's daily total, it is a convenient and effective method for taking in protein.

    xinchao wrote: »
    you just need to shed a few pounds!

    What? :eek:

    The OP is 5' 5" and size 8-10 in clothes. She is fine weight wise. She stated she has a small pot belly that she wishes to get rid of, that's all.

    xinchao wrote: »
    In fact the situation is difficult you are in. What I would do is bring in a lunch box, make up some wholewheat tortilla wraps, you can buy some chicken breasts and cook them over the weekend and put them in a tupperwear box, have another tupperwear box for some salad so in the morning you can throw them all in together, make two for the day, use some salad dressing or french oil dressing but only a tablespoon per wrap. Eat them at the start of one of your classes or between classes, no-one will stop you!

    This may or may not be an option for the OP as she has stated that students are not allowed bring in their own foods, but must eat what is provided on campus, but would be worth considering if it were at all possible. But having chicken/fish etc sitting in a tupprware container in a warm classroom for a few hours may not be the safest option.
    xinchao wrote: »
    Otherwise as the Op said, try and get breakfast into in the morning. Eating some porriage will give you the energy you need for the morning and the wrap will do for lunch and mid-afternoon snack.
    For dinner you can make numerous things that are very quick and healthy,
    frozen veg in the microwave is fine, it will retain more vitamins and minerals than boiling and steaming, also why not just oven bake some fresh fish like salmon wrapped up in tinfoil and seasoned with salt, lemon and pepper. It's fast easy and healthy. There are millions of recipes online that are very quick and easy to prep. In the late evening have a can of tuna or sardines or nuts. If you are hungary during the day have a bag of trailmix to nibble on.

    I would advise going easy on the nuts and trail mix as 100g of mixed nuts provides ~600 cals. Not a great option IMHO when fat loss is the goal.
    xinchao wrote: »
    I know time is important to you so doing a little more research on google will help you. Exercise and a healthy diet is the way to go. Although it sounds like if you are 5'5" and a size 8-10 then you are quite slim.

    Agreeed

    xinchao wrote: »
    Therefore your stomach fat is the most difficult to get rid of, however, seeing that you probably don't have much bodyfat per se getting rid of it shouldn't be so difficult if you stopping eating crap like chips and lasagne everyday.

    :confused: This is kind of contradictory is it not?
    xinchao wrote: »
    Cut out fried foods altogether, you can have one day where you cheat a little but don't go mental!

    Agreed, but I would also swap as much white carbs as possible to wholemeal and also replace starch based carbs with more fiberous varieties (veg & some fruit) where possible.
    xinchao wrote: »
    Wait until you move to your new place and then you will have lot more time. Remember there is a golden rule, always eat small meals several times a day. Three meals isn't the way to go to lose weight.

    IMHO this is not true. The main thing when looking to manage your weight is calories in versus calories out.
    xinchao wrote: »
    Eating several small meals will increase your metabolism and that's what you want to do!

    Again IMHO this is a myth. Cals in Vs Cals out is more important then timing.

    xinchao wrote: »
    With regard to working out or exercising there are lots of exercise you can do in your own room. No need to join a gym. Pushups, situps, walking, cycling, swimming, skipping, buy a small pair of dumbells from argos, they can be bought for less than €50 or even try on Gumtree.ie, you might pick up something very very cheap...

    Agreed, though personally I would plumb for a kettlebell over dumbbells, but that's a personal preference.

    Have a look at The Home Workout Thread for some ideas.
    xinchao wrote: »
    If you do get weights like those i mentioned then just look up some exercises for dumbells on google and you'll find plenty of exercises there for beginners. It's up to you to find something that will suit you, everyone is different!
    Goodluck!

    Agreed. The main thing is to find some form of exercise(s) that you like, as then you are more likely to stick with them


    M


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Purple bobbin,
    It wasn't long ago that I was a student, and unlike most I had very long hours, so I know its hard to eat properly. I put on most of my weight durign those years.

    so, i'll keep that in mind with the following. Very mucg do-able imo.
    Breakfast: Cereal or Sandwich or Toast and cup of tea?

    Morning Break: Fruit or Sandwich with Tea/Hot Chocolate

    Lunch Break: Soup & Bread or Lasagne & Chips or Spicy Wedges (there's isn't much variety at college canteen and only a chip shop near by).

    Snack on the bus: Fruit

    Dinner (8-9pm): Potatoes, veg + meat or soup & roll or Lasagne & chips or pasta
    There is too much breah, and fried food above. If thats how you like to break up meals, 3 meals/2 snacks i'll stick with that.

    Breakfast: Oats or Eggs
    Cereal's are full of sugar. Toast isn't great either as it takes a few slices to be filling, at 150 cals inc butter a slice, this is obviously bad.
    Oats are slow carbs. so should keep you full for the bus journey. Feel free to add some berries, but don't go made with sugar, or jam as you'll be back the problem with cereals


    Morning Break: Fruit with Tea
    Some fruit is fine. Ditch the hot chocolate

    Lunch Break: Soup & Bread or Lasagne & Chips or Spicy Wedges
    I think we mgiht have to live with this one. Based on the options its prob the best. Maybe try to half a jalf portion of chips. Side salad instead.

    Snack on the bus: Fruit
    Fine again.

    Dinner (8-9pm): Chicken/Meat with green veg.
    Seeing as we let lunch slide due to no options. you have to be 100% strict with dinner and make sure its good. Ditch spuds, pasta and rice for a while, lots of green veg and lean meat. Avoid sauce from a jar.


    Its easy to change yp a dinner and save a ton of calories. consider the following.
    200g Chicken with 100g pasta and tomato based sauce. c.700 cals

    Swappign the pasta for veggies and the sauce from a jar for chopped tomatoes (tinned is ok if there is not much added) it looks like;

    200g Chicken baked with and chopped tomatos and garlic over broccolli and cauliflower . c.350 cals


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭rocky


    I'll just say that you don't have to eat breakfast if you dont want to/ feel like. Read the leangains website (www.leangains.com) for more information. It's not the most important meal of the day, nice slogan coming from the food companies making you eat more (ok, I have no idea if it's a conspiracy, but the earlier you start eating, the more you'll eat in a day - at least this applies to me and sure, why not generalize a bit :p ).

    Not eating breakfast should especially suit you because you're in college and presumably most of your activity in the day (at least to your first meal) is mental/involving the brain rather than the bicep. I find this helps a lot with concentration, whereas if I eat early, I'm a bit foggy and all I can think about is my next meal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Roger Marbles


    B-Builder wrote: »
    IMHO this is not true. The main thing when looking to manage your weight is calories in versus calories out.

    M

    I would disagree strongly.

    The main point of losing weight is to do so in a healthy way rather see it as simplistically as just a matter of calories in versus calories out.

    For example, there is ample evidence to support the weight loss and health benefits of a higher protein, calorie restricted diets rather than low fat/high carbohydrate or low carbohydrate/high fat calorie equivalents. Furthermore, their effects on bone density are possibly favorable which is an important consideration in young females, as low bone density at this age is a risk factor for osteoporosis in later life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I would disagree strongly.

    The main point of losing weight is to do so in a healthy way rather see it as simplistically as just a matter of calories in versus calories out.

    For example, there is ample evidence to support the weight loss and health benefits of a higher protein, calorie restricted diets rather than low fat/high carbohydrate or low carbohydrate/high fat calorie equivalents. Furthermore, their effects on bone density are possibly favorable which is an important consideration in young females, as low bone density at this age is a risk factor for osteoporosis in later life.
    He clearly said the main thing. Not the only thing.
    And he is right. The main thing is energy in vrs energy out.

    The best macro split in the world is useless if you are eating 30% above maintenance.

    Nowhere did anyone way ignore macros, in fact it was repeated mentioned. But that should be secondary to total amount.

    FYI when people say calories in vrs out, they don't mean its ok to eat sweets as long as you are below maintenance, they mean its possible to overeat with all foods, even the healthiest out there. This is pretty basic stuff and the fact that you are disecting every point is silly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Roger Marbles


    Mellor wrote: »
    He clearly said the main thing. Not the only thing.
    And he is right. The main thing is energy in vrs energy out.

    The best macro split in the world is useless if you are eating 30% above maintenance.

    Nowhere did anyone way ignore macros, in fact it was repeated mentioned. But that should be secondary to total amount.

    FYI when people say calories in vrs out, they don't mean its ok to eat sweets as long as you are below maintenance, they mean its possible to overeat with all foods, even the healthiest out there. This is pretty basic stuff and the fact that you are disecting every point is silly.

    Again I would disagree. The main thing is doing it in a healthy way that promotes long-terms sustained weight loss with beneficial health outcomes.

    As for "dissecting every point is silly": please just keep the debate mature, there is no need for labelling others as such and it contributes nothing. I have addressed one point in a long post who in turn dissected another forummer's post. And no, there was nothing "silly" about their posts either. It's good debate.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭xinchao


    With regards to:

    "You don't need to be a body builder to use whey protein! While I would recommend getting as much as you daily protein requirements from food, whey protein is simply another source of protein, and as long as the calories provided by the whey are counted in the OP's daily total, it is a convenient and effective method for taking in protein."


    I'll accept that statement (even though it was meant to be funny), however, she is not losing weight, i.e. she's slowly gaining weight. Why spend extra money on whey protein? Just eat healthy foods.

    " What? eek.gif

    The OP is 5' 5" and size 8-10 in clothes. She is fine weight wise. She stated she has a small pot belly that she wishes to get rid of, that's all."


    As you clearly stated, she only needs to shed her stomach fat (which in my estimation could be 2 possibly 3 lbs, hence a "few") unless you are a in the medical profession and know the exact amount of body fat a female of 5'5" size 8-10 (sizes vary from shop to shop BTW) carries?

    "But having chicken/fish etc sitting in a tupperware container in a warm classroom for a few hours may not be the safest option."

    The fish was for dinner! Having a " cold, cooked chicken sandwich" in a tupperwear box in your bag will not suddenly turn into something that will turn your stomach, I bring in chicken sandwiches everyday to University and eat them throughout the day. No issues with that. The chicken is cooked and because it is inside your bag and in an air-tight container it will be safe! People bring in lunch boxes to the workplace every day and that is something I did for over fifteen years, again no issues with my chicken salad sandwiches!

    When you are discussing calories in and calories out, i believe that is too simplistic for someone to understand unless they know about eating healthily, there is a lot more to just calories in and calories out! In general you are correct but that is a very general overview and needs to be broken down further with simple examples of what to eat and when, to be helpful.

    "I would advise going easy on the nuts and trail mix as 100g of mixed nuts provides ~600 cals. Not a great option IMHO when fat loss is the goal."

    My apologies I should have stated exactly what i meant by that. Just 20-30g is considered a small meal and is easy to take around with her as she is in college! However, I believe eating several small meals a day will give the sustained energy throughout the day she needs as she has a long day each day. Waiting for longer periods between meals will not keep her concentration levels up for extended periods. You don't have to be physically active to burn calories, concentrating for extended periods requires energy also.


    " confused.gif This is kind of contradictory is it not? "

    This is in relation to stomach fat, which is the most difficult area to get rid of body fat as it's usually the first place to put on fat and the last to leave. You can still be slim and have stomach fat e.g. the girl who is looking for advice.

    I don't mean to pick an argument with you in the slightest B-builder but my brother is a doctor, my brother-in-law is a former Ireland Gymnast and I am an intermediate body builder myself (who has played sports all my life) so I do have a notion of what i am talking about. smile.gifHowever, we are talking to a 19 year old woman who just wants to shed a small bit of weight i.e. a few pounds (meant in the literal sense). My response was to help her and put in as simple terms for her as possible without complicating the matter.
    It was also meant as a loose guide with ideas for her to use (if you kept to the original request you would see that) I'm not advocating for her to become a fitness fanatic or to change her whole lifestyle, she wanted ideas she can use that suited her in her current situation.

    But I do believe fully in routine and when she moves away from home in a few weeks then it is probably better to make a start then. She could start now obviously but why not give a 100% when she is in a position to do it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭xinchao


    "Again I would disagree. The main thing is doing it in a healthy way that promotes long-terms sustained weight loss with beneficial health outcomes.

    As for "dissecting every point is silly": please just keep the debate mature, there is no need for labelling others as such and it contributes nothing. I have addressed one point in a long post who in turn dissected another forummer's post. And no, there was nothing "silly" about their posts either. It's good debate." Roger Marbles.

    Roger Marbles is absolutely correct, keep the debate mature and helpful!
    Both you Mellor and B-Builder are supposed to be moderators! The young woman doesn't need to read personal attacks. It's easy to do that. Harder to come up with helpful advice that is case particular. :D That's what most people here are trying to do!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 trashheap


    Hi Purple-Bobbin,
    For breakfast, you could put some fruit(you can get boxes of frozen berries in supermarkets), yoghurt and porridge oats into a tupperware container and eat it when you're stomach is able for it in the morning(maybe before your first class?)
    And in your bag, keep a packet of oatcakes, an apple/orange, a small bag of nuts...these could count as snacks, and can be eaten when standing around waiting to get into a class.
    Tupperware containers are great too for salads/cooked meats/bean mixes.
    Maybe invest in a little insulated lunch bag to keep things some way cool, and a thermos flask to keep soup hot(unless you are getting very 'clean', you could buy a ready made soup, heat it at home in the morning and throw it into the flask(Cully&Sully is good))
    HTH


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭Bottle_of_Smoke


    If you described you above diet to a dietician and they said it was balanced..... then I really do not know what to say..... although can't say I'm suprised, heard a GP rambling on about how useless the ditician he knows is, he couldn't get over it.

    My impression of dieticians is they're more useful if the person has a very specific condition like PKU or Crohns. I don't think they're of any use to the average person with access to the internet!

    The reality is the OP isn't unhealthy or even overweight, she's slightly out of shape, not a dieticians job to assess her if you ask me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭dvdman1


    jog jog jog.. on grass if possible, try avoiding concrete paths. tar isnt so bad get good bouncy trainers
    its the 1 guaranteed way to lose weight especially belly fat really fast
    plus its gets addictive after a few months, so u look forward to ur daily or weekly jogs
    all the best :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 trashheap


    Also, pasta with meat and a little sauce(when you have a little more time, you could make your own) can adapt as a nice cold salad, for lunch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,788 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Lots of droolers ITT imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,788 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    B-Builder wrote: »
    II would be having a word with the student union or the powers that be in the college about not being allowed to bring in your own food, given the fare which is available to you in the campus canteen. There is no way I would accept being practically forced to eat junk food for a number of years while I was in college.

    This is the most important thing to have been mentioned on the thread IMO.

    It is absolutely outrageous to not be allowed bring a packed lunch to college. I doubt it's even legal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Roger Marbles


    My impression of dieticians is they're more useful if the person has a very specific condition like PKU or Crohns. I don't think they're of any use to the average person with access to the internet!

    The reality is the OP isn't unhealthy or even overweight, she's slightly out of shape, not a dieticians job to assess her if you ask me.

    Not trying to hijack the discussion but I think you are right...dieticians and doctors are taught poorly when it comes to nutrition as part of their undergraduate degrees and furthered learning is absent in this area:

    http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/fast-food/nutritional-ignorance-abounds/

    Anyways, good luck OP :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭rocky


    Healthy this, healthy that, dirty foods, clean foods.

    People are different, for some, the more restrictions you place on their diet and exercise regime, the less time will they spend actually following them.

    Why not start easy, small and important changes? Then add gradually more 'health-oriented' foods etc.

    Of course, for some people it's an all-or nothing approach, if it works for them, that's great, but if/when they fail, they fail hard.

    I'll keep preaching the 3 rules of losing fat until I've converted most infidels :)

    1- eat at a calorie deficit in order to lose 1-2lbs/week
    2- protein in grams should be at least the same as the LBM in pounds
    3- train 3 times a week with weights.

    Can you complicate things? sure you can. Will it make a difference? Depending on your mental predisposition, it may. Start easy and go from there. Sure, some people can not believe it's this easy. If it were, surely more people would be healthy and fit. By overcomplicating things, you can find lots more reasons to give up ('I had a cheat meal today, my diet is ruined, better finish that whole pizza/icecream bucket/...', 'I can't see chicken for a year, better get a jar of mayo and lard...')

    I should add to my sig "No, breakfast is not the most important meal of the day, it won't damage your metabolism if you don't have any". This is purely a matter of preference. Meaning: do whatever you want for breakfast!!! Even not having one is a-OK !!

    PS. If it wasn't clear, stop focusing on the things that won't make a difference !

    phew, glad I got this off my chest :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,595 ✭✭✭The Lovely Muffin


    Thank you for all your replies, I haven't read them all yet as I am off to bed (should have been there ages ago, but was stuck doing homework). I will read through each one throughly when I get a chance over the next few days.
    B-Builder wrote: »
    If an when you move closer to college will this enable you to go home for lunch or will you still be stuck on campus for lunch? Do you have any friends who live close to college to whose place you could go for lunch? Is there not a salad bar available in the college canteen?
    It depends on where I move to, I am looking for somewhere in the same area my college is in, but there aren't many places.
    B-Builder wrote: »
    I would be great if you could go home for lunch, but if that is not an option, then I would be having a word with the student union or the powers that be in the college about not being allowed to bring in your own food, given the fare which is available to you in the campus canteen. There is no way I would accept being practically forced to eat junk food for a number of years while I was in college.
    I will be speaking to my class/year tutor (and she will take it from there). Unfortunately, the caterers in our college are private as last year, everyone wanted private caterers so when enough people became interested the college got the private caterers, while the food is good and mostly home-made, it is expensive (costing nearly €5-€6 per day:() and it's doubtful the caterers will go/change their rules just to suit a small number of students.
    B-Builder wrote: »
    I reckon that you would find your concentration and overall energy levels would be better if you could eat more wholesome foods, as well as being able to keep fit and healthy.
    I totally agree. I find regardless of how much I study, I tend to forget everything very quickly, and I put it down to tiredness, all the commuting, stress + the food. I do take Vivioptal vitamins daily.
    B-Builder wrote: »
    Worst case scenario you will just have to do your best to eat healthy wholesome foods at the times you have control over your diet and choose the healthiest option available when in college.
    Again, I agree.
    keane2097 wrote: »
    This is the most important thing to have been mentioned on the thread IMO.

    It is absolutely outrageous to not be allowed bring a packed lunch to college. I doubt it's even legal.
    I doubt there is anything that can be done though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,788 ✭✭✭✭keane2097


    Bring lunch in a lunchbox with your own food in it.

    When they tell you you're not allowed eat it tell them to go and fcuk themselves.

    There is absolutely no way they can get away with not allowing you to bring your own food to school with you.

    Just don't accept it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Again I would disagree. The main thing is doing it in a healthy way that promotes long-terms sustained weight loss with beneficial health outcomes.
    And how would you go about doing that without a fundamental basis in calories in vrs out??

    Nobody is suggesting anything that is unhealthy, like crash dieting or similar.


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