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Round 16: Japanese Grand Prix
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Exact same points could be made about Hamilton to be fair...He's been unlucky in some of the pole - finish races and has made some massive mistakes in others (just like the former driver).
All I want to see is Kobayashi in a quick car
In fairness Hamilton can overtake if the McLaren is competetive. There's been plenty of races where he'd make a great charge. Vettel is only good when he's out in front or overtaking back markers. Pity that damn 3rd gear broke, next step was Alonso - now that would have been interesting :cool:
Edit - Agreed re Kobayashi, very very impressive drive.0 -
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I don't think he would have passed Alonso (safely). The car just wasn't fast enough to do it without having to take a big risk. He would definitely have gotten to within 1 second and then Alonso's dirty air would have made it difficult for him to progress further. Alonso is a great defensive driver too.
In fairness I am struggling to think of many great charges from Vettel. Now I am sure there have been some but I cant think of any off the top of my head.
He was catching Alonso at a second a lap nearly. Agreed though re Alonso, he's one tough cookie & won't easily submit a place, even more so if said place is to Hamilton. The dirty air would have also played a part but he was catching him at a rate of knots, it would have been a good battle.
What were the odds of two wheels failing in one race? Kubica & Rosberg both lost wheels due to a failure. Did Rosbergs retaining collar let go too, or did it hold on? Schumi was impressive I thought too, I really would love to see him in contention next year. No sign of Karun all weekend either, was he even there?0 -
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In fairness Hamilton can overtake if the McLaren is competetive. There's been plenty of races where he'd make a great charge. Vettel is only good when he's out in front or overtaking back markers. Pity that damn 3rd gear broke, next step was Alonso - now that would have been interesting :cool:
Edit - Agreed re Kobayashi, very very impressive drive.
Vettel didn't too bad in a Torro Rosso which wasn't the fastest car out in front. Gave Red Bull their first win in the B team, and put in some good performances.
I think Alonso's 3rd place was secure once Kubica retired.
In fairness its easy for a Red Bull/ McLaren/ Ferrari to come through the field its only when they get to cars with similar performance they struggle.
Its hardly Vettels fault he has consistently qualified so well and the team has had no ****up's to put him at the back of the grid.
Anyway in Silverstone he was last after the puncture finished 7th in China he dropped down to 14/15th finished 6th
When is the last time Webber charged through the grid? I remember him crashing into Hekki last time he tried. He must not be able to overtake either
Last year everyone was saying the same about Button, until Brazil.He was luck to get away with it he is the type of driver that I wouldnt like to see in my rear-view mirrors.
Yeah but its great when your watching him catch someone
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frostie500 wrote: »Just 11 points separate Webber from Vettel and Alonso so momentum has become the most important commodity in the pitlane. Vettel has that momentum and at the Korean Grand Prix Webber will need to show his “Aussie Grit” as he makes his stand against his rivals.
Its 14 points.With the speeds of these cars ever increasing, and therefore the loads exerted on all elements of the car increasing, it is imperative that in future any issue like this is avoided.
I thought the cars speeds have been greatly reduced since the turbo days with the introduction of various safety features?
(Sorry to nit-pick, good article!)
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Great race, (Maybe not up front) Kobayashi must have overtaken 6 cars into the hairpin BANZAI!!! (some twice?) Bad form with Algrersuri, bad tempered wheel banging twice after Kumai gave him room. Glad he knocked his own wing off and had to pit LOL.:D
See Petrov got a 5 grid penatly for turning in carelessly into Hulkenburg on the start, Why didnt Massa get a penalty for stupid out of control move(all four wheels on the grass) that wiped out Luitzzi? ???
Oh wait he drives for Ferrari, that explains it. :pac:
FIA needs to hand out penalties no matter which team they race with.
Also does anyone know what Di Grasssi<? was doing on the warmup lap!!!!???, did the car fail or was it massive brain fade?0 -
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here.from.day.1 wrote: »Its 14 points.
I thought the cars speeds have been greatly reduced since the turbo days with the introduction of various safety features?
(Sorry to nit-pick, good article!)
I always make one glaring mistake that is easily pointed out, raging with myself!
In realtion to the speed differences its worth comparing laptimes around Suzuka(seeing as it was almost unchanged from its first GP in 87 until 2007 to give an indication of the performance increases of the cars)
87-1m40.042
97-1m36.071
07-1m25.368
Since then the change to the circuit has slowed Suzuka down quite a bit but using the comparison drawn from other circuits shows us that the performance of cars since 07 to now are quite similar0 -
Looks like the clutch was stuck when he selected the gear resulting in a small lurch forward. My bike dose it every morning when its cold. Nothing like a almost jump start, nonsense story.losthorizon wrote: »Vettel "almost jump started" the japanese grand prix. How can you "almost" Jump start. You do or dont. Hmmm, I think he didnt. Very close though.
https://www.f1sa.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=25492:f1-video-footage-shows-vettel-almost-jumping-suzuka-formula-1-race-start&catid=1:f1&Itemid=157Corben Dallas wrote: »See Petrov got a 5 grid penatly for turning in carelessly into Hulkenburg on the start, Why didnt Massa get a penalty for stupid out of control move(all four wheels on the grass) that wiped out Luitzzi? ???
Oh wait he drives for Ferrari, that explains it. :pac:
FIA needs to hand out penalties no matter which team they race with.
Give it a rest will you, they weren't the same crash so why would the same penalty apply? :rolleyes:
Petrov crashing into Hulk on the straight - avoidable collision.
Massa making an admittedly optimistic move was pushed wide onto the grass by Rosberg couldn't stop and crashed into the Force India - racing incident0 -
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