WPP- FAS Are a Disgrace

Mr. Incognito

The Work Placement programme on the face of it is a good idea- allow people with no experience to learn a trade or get experience to make them employable.

However the blatant greed of the Celtic entrepeneurs is rising with the scum to the service.

I don't blame the blatant neck on these people - who in FAS is responsible for allowing these charlatans to expoit people. Remember these people are expected to work a full week for Free for the experience.

Examples:

"Trainee" shop assistant :rolleyes: Dunmore
https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=8859_37&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=50&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM

"Trainee" Bar Person Foynes.
https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=8859_39&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=58&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM

Is it any wonder young people are emigrating. At least they can get paid for minimum wage jobs abroad.

This country is a joke.

MagicMarker

lol, Mary Harney is fat

thee glitz

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

"Trainee" shop assistant :rolleyes: Dunmore
https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=8859_37&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=50&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM

25hrs pw for 9 months, for... nothing!

Phill Ewinn

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

The Work Placement programme on the face of it is a good idea- allow people with no experience to learn a trade or get experience to make them employable.

However the blatant greed of the Celtic entrepeneurs is rising with the scum to the service.

I don't blame the blatant neck on these people - who in FAS is responsible for allowing these charlatans to expoit people. Remember these people are expected to work a full week for Free for the experience.

Examples:

"Trainee" shop assistant :rolleyes: Dunmore
https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=8859_37&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=50&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM

"Trainee" Bar Person Foynes.
https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=8859_39&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=58&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM

Is it any wonder young people are emigrating. At least they can get paid for minimum wage jobs abroad.

This country is a joke.

Sending a letter to an tanaiste about this, for real. Absolute scum IMO. Hope the people of Dunmore know about this lout.

SeaFields

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Sending a letter to an tanaiste about this, for real. Absolute scum IMO. Hope the people of Dunmore know about this lout.

Didn't think Mary Coughlan could read.

thee glitz

Bill Cullen would be proud.

Sticky_Fingers

Wasn't this sort of ****e supposed to have been stamped out a few months ago when it was found that unscrupulous employers were posting such ads? To lazy and cheap to hire people full time and they should be named and shamed for trying to scam the system in this way. I for one would boycott any business that would take advantage of peoples misfortune in this way in order to get cheap labour.

thee glitz

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

they should be named and shamed for trying to scam the system in this way.

Hannon's Daybreak, Dunmore, Co.Galway
Foynes Inn, Main St. Foynes, Co. Limerick

DonJose

How about this one,

Trainee Manager Shop/Forecourt
Hours per week: 39
"This is a work placement programme and does not offer a salary."
Location : Burnfoot (Donegal)

https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=8859_104&REQUEST=WWW_JS_VAC_PREVIOUS_NEXT&ROW=NEXT!50

Gunsfortoys

Jesus. What a disgrace.

wmpdd3

My other half is trying to get 1 day a week work exp for his course and is being told by every business that they have no space as every business he contacted had atleast 1 wk exp person.

alwaysadub

Yeah i've seen lots of them ads on FAS. It is a disgrace,people are totally taking the piss with the jobs.

Sticky_Fingers

thee glitz wrote: »

Hannon's Daybreak, Dunmore, Co.Galway
Foynes Inn, Main St. Foynes, Co. Limerick

Are you sure this info is correct, I didn't see the business names in the linked pages and boards could get in trouble if it is wrong

Area of activity in which placement is offered: Bar, Restaurant, B&B. Participants will gain experience in: Bar Trade Restaurant B&B This business operates like a mini hotel and the correct candidate will gain experience in all aspects of the hospitality trade. They will also learn all the aspects of how to manage an SME from profit to margins and service to cleanliness. Person specification: A person who is willing to learn and work smart. Someone who will use their initiative and be able to work as part of a small efficient friendly team. Once the person has the correct attitude we will be able to assist them to grow and learn the business. Someone whom is honest and capable. Garda vetting required

lol I especially like the highlighted section, when I read it I had an image of them turning the fire hose on some poor bastard behind the sheds until they finally broke their spirit.

mikom

thee glitz wrote: »

Hannon's Daybreak, Dunmore, Co.Galway
Foynes Inn, Main St. Foynes, Co. Limerick

Filed under avoid.

thee glitz

Sticky_Fingers wrote: »

Are you sure this info is correct, I didn't see the business names in the linked pages and boards could get in trouble if it is wrong

It's them alright.
https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=8859_39&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=58&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM
"Call in person to Kathy Hanlon Foynes Inn Main Street"

https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=8859_37&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=50&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM
"hannonsdaybreak@gmail.com"
Location: Dunmore

Raekwon

There is already an in-depth thread on this topic over in Work & Jobs where Roddy Molley some people where actually defending it.

I think these WPP 'jobs' are adding to the unemployment rate in this country as these positions are replacing salary paying entry level roles and minimum wage jobs and pretty much giving companies free slave labour.

The minimum wage in Ireland is now €0.00

-Trek-

Raekwon wrote: »

There is already an in-depth thread on this topic over in Work & Jobs where Roddy Molley some people where actually defending it.

I think these WPP 'jobs' are adding to the unemployment rate in this country as these positions are replacing salary paying entry level roles and minimum wage jobs and pretty much giving companies free slave labour.

The minimum wage in Ireland is now €0.00

Ya, but I think the beauty of it is that while they are still receiving SW payments they are not officially part of the live register (I'm open to correction on that though) so its sugar coating the figures if you will.

My name is URL

It's not just about exploiting the system (which potentially is a great idea) or the people looking for experience.. it's also ensuring that the positions are not officially filled by someone else, thus keeping unemployment numbers up. Yeah, great job FAS

thee glitz

mikom wrote: »

Filed under avoid.

Maybe, ye. I'm sure a mod will be around soon to decide.

peasant

a few more:

bar manager

Person specification*:A hard working dedicated person

production superviser

Person specification*: Experience in a factory environment preferred and have the ability to plan and oversee production and ensure targets are met at all times. Health & safety training would be a bonus.

broadband installer

Person specification*:We are looking for someone who is well organised, neat, self motivated & mechanically minded. Preferably exp. of working with telecomms equipment, working at height & knowledge of IT networks,

we just don't want to pay you


production operative
for 9 months slave labour you will learn how to press a few buttons on a machine


The list is endless ...it's depressing :mad:

thee glitz

peasant wrote: »

broadband installer

Person specification*:We are looking for someone who is well organised, neat, self motivated & mechanically minded. Preferably exp. of working with telecomms equipment, working at height & knowledge of IT networks,

Unbelievable.

SeaFields

OK...a FAS and FF idea. What did people expect? An efficient, effective program that met with the needs of those that it is intended for?! FFS.

I suppose FAS needed some "executives" to fly first class to Florida or Dubai or something to ensure the fcuking thing was implemented properly. :mad:

saywhatyousee

Trekmad wrote: »

Ya, but I think the beauty of it is that while they are still receiving SW payments they are not officially part of the live register (I'm open to correction on that though) so its sugar coating the figures if you will.

they are part of the live register.there just not classed as being unemployed

Swordfish01

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

The Work Placement programme on the face of it is a good idea- allow people with no experience to learn a trade or get experience to make them employable.

However the blatant greed of the Celtic entrepeneurs is rising with the scum to the service.

I don't blame the blatant neck on these people - who in FAS is responsible for allowing these charlatans to expoit people. Remember these people are expected to work a full week for Free for the experience.

Examples:

"Trainee" shop assistant :rolleyes: Dunmore
https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=8859_37&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=50&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM

"Trainee" Bar Person Foynes.
https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=8859_39&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=58&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM

Is it any wonder young people are emigrating. At least they can get paid for minimum wage jobs abroad.

This country is a joke.

Have you ever tought about how this program can auctually help people find work who wudnt be able to otherwise find a job. Take my situation I am unemployed over two and a half years and cant get any work in my field or doing anything pritty much.I found an employer who will take me on under this scheme who would not have the money to auctually pay wages and I for one am delighted.I get 9 months work exp in my ideal job instead of been at home wasting away for another 2-5 years while ''things pick up :rolleyes:'' Ya right Get real people.Sure its open to exploitation but in fairness no one is going to go packin shelves for 40hours a week for nothing the people tryin to exploit it prob wont get applicants.

ilovelamp2000

I've seen Tesco advertise for a newly qualified solicitor on the WPP, and bearing in mind the following :
http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/tesco-profits-up-10-454577.html

I can only assume they are taking the p1ss.

WalterMitty

Would I rather stay at home on internet ,reading , drinking tea, fapping,exercising than stand around in a low skill job for 9 months making some greedy fecker money?

The economy here is fecked up . Graduates having to work full time for 200euro a week while cleaners and road sweepers in public sector scratch arses and get 4-500 a week.

peasant

Swordfish01 wrote: »

the people tryin to exploit it prob wont get applicants.

That's not the point.

The people trying to exploit it should:

- not get their advertisement published in the first place
- get a kick up the arse from fas for trying it on


But hey ..this is fas running the show, not vetting the ads, not giving a f*ck.

It's not like we could expect them to do something right and properly for a change after all their recent f*ckups, now could we?

Asking too much, is it?

poppyvalley

MagicMarker wrote: »

lol, Mary Harney is fat

And she's the minister for HEALTH! God, I hope people abroad dont think that we all look like Mary Harney or Brian Cowen

Mr Benevolent

I started on a WPP2 in Sandyford. Everyone in the office bar the directors were on the WPP program. I quit after a couple of days at the flagrant breach of the WPP2 regulations. It's utterly, utterly insane.

Now that I think about it, even though I'm Irish I have never seen a worse first-world country. We'e amazingly bad at everything. Just found out today that Intel is halfway shut down already. Intel is a major part of our economy, and if it goes every other major company will go.

mikom

Confab wrote: »

I started on a WPP2 in Sandyford. Everyone in the office bar the directors were on the WPP program. I quit after a couple of days at the flagrant breach of the WPP2 regulations. It's utterly, utterly insane.

Now that I think about it, even though I'm Irish I have never seen a worse first-world country. We'e amazingly bad at everything. Just found out today that Intel is halfway shut down already. Intel is a major part of our economy, and if it goes every other major company will go.

This is the truth that the guberment don't want people to know.

Mr. Incognito

Have you ever tought about how this program can auctually help people find work who wudnt be able to otherwise find a job. Take my situation I am unemployed over two and a half years and cant get any work in my field or doing anything pritty much.I found an employer who will take me on under this scheme who would not have the money to auctually pay wages and I for one am delighted.I get 9 months work exp in my ideal job instead of been at home wasting away for another 2-5 years while ''things pick up '' Ya right Get real people.Sure its open to exploitation but in fairness no one is going to go packin shelves for 40hours a week for nothing the people tryin to exploit it prob wont get applicants.

That's great if you get a job in programming or a trade or some REAL Professional skills- that is worth the experience,

Packing shelves, pulling pints, filing and other MINIMUM Wage Jobs are not- that is why they are minimum wage- NO EXPERIENCE REQUIRED.

And The Problem I have is WHO IS VETTING THESE ADS???- Who in FAS is administering the system??

mikemac

I kinda did a similar program with DEL, Department of Enterprise and Learning in Belfast after college . Not the same as FÁS but sorta similar

And got job seekers to work in a graduate job.
Don't regret it for a second, it was a great experience and we were sent on postgraduate business course which we didn't have to pay for

And I earned a mere fraction of the 196 euro you get here!

The scheme can work but it's totally abused at this stage, maybe shut it down and start again? Or at least stop this blatant messing.

Faith+1

A friend of mine told me he applied for a job a few weeks back and got a call for an interview. Happy days he thought until he was told over the phone it was a WPP position. When he re-checked the advert he noticed they'd changed it to WPP.

The fcuking cheek of them. :mad::mad::mad:

epgc3fyqirnbsx

What I can't understand is how the good people in FAS are letting these ads be placed, especially the once that require experience when that's meant to be the very thing they are offering??

WalterMitty

poppyvalley wrote: »

And she's the minister for HEALTH! God, I hope people abroad dont think that we all look like Mary Harney or Brian Cowen

Brian and Mary are going on a trade mission to Brazil in January. Summer over there at this time of year and they will be in RIO so when in RIO do as the locals do, get the g-strings and tanning oil out of the suitcase.

round tower huntsman

im a plumber/pipefitter. i saw a wpp job during the summer.
fella looking for a qualified plumber,all certs,clean license, min 5 yrs exp,etc......for a wpp job:mad::mad:
its a good idea but as usual its being exploited for cheap labour.

D-Generate

The companies advertising these vacancies are doing nothing wrong. If the system is there then use it!
It is FAS who were shortsighted to implement the WPP without seeing that this could occur.

Mr. Incognito

If the system is there then use it!

It's Me Fein thinking that has the country in the state it's in.

Bravo sir.

Up me. FCUK the rest of them.

That's the thinking that will rebuild this country.

*Applause*

D-Generate

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

It's Me Fein thinking that has the country in the state it's in.

Bravo sir.

Up me. FCUK the rest of them.

That's the thinking that will rebuild this country.

*Applause*

I work in an investment bank...... so yup!

Mr. Incognito

D-Generate wrote: »

I work still have a job thanks to the tax bailout in an investment bank...... so yup!

Fixed that for you. Bet you guys are popular at social events these days.

Stinicker

I think the WPP is a good enough idea, however it is essentially working for your dole for a private employer. It should be at a higher level than this and the employer should be made stump up enough to bring the job up to minimum wage levels.

€196 in money from the Government
+
€145 from private employer
= €341 ÷ 39 = €8.65/hour

WPP on = €196 ÷ 39 = €5.02/hour

This is undercutting other genuine employers by having free staff but it is also giving the company on the WPP an unfair competitive advantage over the guy who will pay his staff, thus putting more pressure on companies to use WPP also.

The WPP is a disgrace and tantamount to slavery, although as it is voluntarily, that is upto the individual.

Wage subsidies are a far better idea where a company cannot keep a staff member on the minimum wage they can apply for subvention as I pointed out above.

Gigiwagga

Another quite important point regarding Fas WPP is that Fas pay insurance for the Fas 'trainee' while they are doing their WPP, no outlay for the employer in that respect at all either, total scammers.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

I blame Fas rather than the employers. It's only natural that there are gonna be people who will take as much as possible while giving back as little as possible and Fas are just accomodating and facilitating this

Doesn't mean these 'employers' aren't pr1cks though

Sardonicat

Felipe Hot Watch wrote: »

What I can't understand is how the good people in FAS are letting these ads be placed, especially the once that require experience when that's meant to be the very thing they are offering??

I got a place on a wwp1. It was sold to me as a "great learning opportunity". Was a complete piss take. Before I even started my PRIVATE mobile number was given out to board members so they could contact me. Guy meant to be mentoring me couldn't give me my contract, always had some excuse. He kept saying that he didn't know how WPP worked, as he had never had any expereince of it before. Found out that he had mentored a number of people on wpp1 and 2. I did a quick search on fas website and all the info he could have wanted was on there. I left and complained to FAS. They were very apologetic, shouldn't have happened, blah, blah. They still advertised and filled the position though.

the_syco

Confab wrote: »

Just found out today that Intel is halfway shut down already. Intel is a major part of our economy, and if it goes every other major company will go.

It's been half shut-down for a while. Blame AMD. Seriously. ATM, there's a competition between Intel Ireland, Intel Israel, and someone else getting the latest contract. Hoping Intel Ireland gets it, as it'd mean employment. Anything made there now is old tech. When the old tech stops being used, the place will shut down, unless Ireland Intel gets a new contract.

WalterMitty wrote: »

Brian and Mary are going on a trade mission to Brazil in January. Summer over there at this time of year and they will be in RIO so when in RIO do as the locals do, get the g-strings and tanning oil out of the suitcase.

Poor bastards. The locals, I mean. Don't try to imagine Mary in a g-string, or your penis will shrink.

flash1080

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

That's great if you get a job in programming or a trade or some REAL Professional skills- that is worth the experience

I don't agree. Why should someone coming out of college, after spending 4 years acquiring skills, join the dole for €150/week while working for nothing for companies that are making billions of euro in profit? Minimum wage for a skilled person isn't a lot to ask, it's fairly pathetic still though. People would be better off going to stack shelves and do unskilled work if they can get a job instead of college because they'll earn more. Or else emigrate.

People are spending four years in college acquiring skills and are then being encouraged to join the dole and work for free - paid by taxes from people who are working (whose jobs might be at risk) and doing work that would normally be a paying gig.

FÁS WPP and IBEC Gradlink are a complete joke.

NeuroticMonkey

Felipe Hot Watch wrote: »

What I can't understand is how the good people in FAS are letting these ads be placed, especially the once that require experience when that's meant to be the very thing they are offering??

Because it's FAS. Enough said.

teddy_303

thee glitz wrote: »

25hrs pw for 9 months, for... nothing!

9 fcukin months! Are they all fcukin mentalists! 1-2 weeks maybe? These fcukers own businesses, and they'd like people who have nothing to work for free all that time. Screw this sh1thole of a country. Its totally disgusting.

IBEC are worse than fianna Fail. "These people are clearly stupid. They want to be exploited, it's all they know!" Scumbag ba*tards!

bobblepuzzle

When things were good the government were pumping €1 billion into FAS... in a period of full employment!!! How in gods name could anyone justify that... and then they wonder where money has gone missing...

Chaotic_Forces

If it was for about 2-3 months and part time; yes I can see it working.

But come on; 2-3 years required in a simillar field?
So basically: hey listen, you can't get jobs in your field of skill BUT we lovely people will allow you to work (for the same as you get on the dole (assuming you get the full amount)) WHILE allowing YOU to get SKILLS THAT YOU NEED TO GET A JOB!
Think about it: need to work in a shoe shop but lack the ability to tell where it says the shoe size? We can teach you!
Wanna learn how to operate a till? We can teach you that too... IN JUST NINE MONTHS!
And not just the old fashioned ones either... oh no! We even teach how to use a touchscreen!
That's right, you sir could be here, working full time as a proud member of Store X, as a team member, a customer helper AND even get the same on the dole!

So come on over today to FÁS and get your WWP* now!

*And yes folks, that's right! IT IS WORK! You can now proudly tell your friends you a shoe salesman instead of looking for a job as a manager after working as one in an office and earning 50k+ a year!

brianthebard

Trekmad wrote: »

Ya, but I think the beauty of it is that while they are still receiving SW payments they are not officially part of the live register (I'm open to correction on that though) so its sugar coating the figures if you will.

Yes this is exactly why the government is coming out with schemes like this and the one they proposed over the summer where people would get the dole in exchange for 20 hours a week at some jobs, without means testing. While the unemployment figures atm are bad they are not totally out of touch with france or germany for instance, but if the people on these schemes and those who have emigrated are taking into account its obvious that the unemployment figures would be much much worse.