WPP- FAS Are a Disgrace

mikemac · 02-10-2010 10:30PM

I kinda did a similar program with DEL, Department of Enterprise and Learning in Belfast after college . Not the same as FÁS but sorta similar

And got job seekers to work in a graduate job.
Don't regret it for a second, it was a great experience and we were sent on postgraduate business course which we didn't have to pay for

And I earned a mere fraction of the 196 euro you get here!

The scheme can work but it's totally abused at this stage, maybe shut it down and start again? Or at least stop this blatant messing.

Faith+1 · 02-10-2010 10:33PM

A friend of mine told me he applied for a job a few weeks back and got a call for an interview. Happy days he thought until he was told over the phone it was a WPP position. When he re-checked the advert he noticed they'd changed it to WPP.

The fcuking cheek of them. :mad::mad::mad:

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 02-10-2010 10:43PM

What I can't understand is how the good people in FAS are letting these ads be placed, especially the once that require experience when that's meant to be the very thing they are offering??

WalterMitty · 02-10-2010 10:50PM

poppyvalley wrote: »

And she's the minister for HEALTH! God, I hope people abroad dont think that we all look like Mary Harney or Brian Cowen

Brian and Mary are going on a trade mission to Brazil in January. Summer over there at this time of year and they will be in RIO so when in RIO do as the locals do, get the g-strings and tanning oil out of the suitcase.

round tower huntsman · 02-10-2010 10:53PM

im a plumber/pipefitter. i saw a wpp job during the summer.
fella looking for a qualified plumber,all certs,clean license, min 5 yrs exp,etc......for a wpp job:mad::mad:
its a good idea but as usual its being exploited for cheap labour.

D-Generate · 02-10-2010 11:28PM

The companies advertising these vacancies are doing nothing wrong. If the system is there then use it!
It is FAS who were shortsighted to implement the WPP without seeing that this could occur.

Mr. Incognito · 02-10-2010 11:49PM

If the system is there then use it!

It's Me Fein thinking that has the country in the state it's in.

Bravo sir.

Up me. FCUK the rest of them.

That's the thinking that will rebuild this country.

*Applause*

D-Generate · 03-10-2010 12:02AM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

It's Me Fein thinking that has the country in the state it's in.

Bravo sir.

Up me. FCUK the rest of them.

That's the thinking that will rebuild this country.

*Applause*

I work in an investment bank...... so yup!

Mr. Incognito · 03-10-2010 12:45AM

D-Generate wrote: »

I work still have a job thanks to the tax bailout in an investment bank...... so yup!

Fixed that for you. Bet you guys are popular at social events these days.

Stinicker · 03-10-2010 12:58AM

I think the WPP is a good enough idea, however it is essentially working for your dole for a private employer. It should be at a higher level than this and the employer should be made stump up enough to bring the job up to minimum wage levels.

€196 in money from the Government
+
€145 from private employer
= €341 ÷ 39 = €8.65/hour

WPP on = €196 ÷ 39 = €5.02/hour

This is undercutting other genuine employers by having free staff but it is also giving the company on the WPP an unfair competitive advantage over the guy who will pay his staff, thus putting more pressure on companies to use WPP also.

The WPP is a disgrace and tantamount to slavery, although as it is voluntarily, that is upto the individual.

Wage subsidies are a far better idea where a company cannot keep a staff member on the minimum wage they can apply for subvention as I pointed out above.

Gigiwagga · 03-10-2010 01:28AM

Another quite important point regarding Fas WPP is that Fas pay insurance for the Fas 'trainee' while they are doing their WPP, no outlay for the employer in that respect at all either, total scammers.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 03-10-2010 01:34AM

I blame Fas rather than the employers. It's only natural that there are gonna be people who will take as much as possible while giving back as little as possible and Fas are just accomodating and facilitating this

Doesn't mean these 'employers' aren't pr1cks though

Sardonicat · 03-10-2010 01:40AM

Felipe Hot Watch wrote: »

What I can't understand is how the good people in FAS are letting these ads be placed, especially the once that require experience when that's meant to be the very thing they are offering??

I got a place on a wwp1. It was sold to me as a "great learning opportunity". Was a complete piss take. Before I even started my PRIVATE mobile number was given out to board members so they could contact me. Guy meant to be mentoring me couldn't give me my contract, always had some excuse. He kept saying that he didn't know how WPP worked, as he had never had any expereince of it before. Found out that he had mentored a number of people on wpp1 and 2. I did a quick search on fas website and all the info he could have wanted was on there. I left and complained to FAS. They were very apologetic, shouldn't have happened, blah, blah. They still advertised and filled the position though.

the_syco · 03-10-2010 02:01AM

Confab wrote: »

Just found out today that Intel is halfway shut down already. Intel is a major part of our economy, and if it goes every other major company will go.

It's been half shut-down for a while. Blame AMD. Seriously. ATM, there's a competition between Intel Ireland, Intel Israel, and someone else getting the latest contract. Hoping Intel Ireland gets it, as it'd mean employment. Anything made there now is old tech. When the old tech stops being used, the place will shut down, unless Ireland Intel gets a new contract.

WalterMitty wrote: »

Brian and Mary are going on a trade mission to Brazil in January. Summer over there at this time of year and they will be in RIO so when in RIO do as the locals do, get the g-strings and tanning oil out of the suitcase.

Poor bastards. The locals, I mean. Don't try to imagine Mary in a g-string, or your penis will shrink.

flash1080 · 03-10-2010 06:47AM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

That's great if you get a job in programming or a trade or some REAL Professional skills- that is worth the experience

I don't agree. Why should someone coming out of college, after spending 4 years acquiring skills, join the dole for €150/week while working for nothing for companies that are making billions of euro in profit? Minimum wage for a skilled person isn't a lot to ask, it's fairly pathetic still though. People would be better off going to stack shelves and do unskilled work if they can get a job instead of college because they'll earn more. Or else emigrate.

People are spending four years in college acquiring skills and are then being encouraged to join the dole and work for free - paid by taxes from people who are working (whose jobs might be at risk) and doing work that would normally be a paying gig.

FÁS WPP and IBEC Gradlink are a complete joke.

NeuroticMonkey · 09-10-2010 09:33PM

Felipe Hot Watch wrote: »

What I can't understand is how the good people in FAS are letting these ads be placed, especially the once that require experience when that's meant to be the very thing they are offering??

Because it's FAS. Enough said.

teddy_303 · 09-10-2010 10:13PM

thee glitz wrote: »

25hrs pw for 9 months, for... nothing!

9 fcukin months! Are they all fcukin mentalists! 1-2 weeks maybe? These fcukers own businesses, and they'd like people who have nothing to work for free all that time. Screw this sh1thole of a country. Its totally disgusting.

IBEC are worse than fianna Fail. "These people are clearly stupid. They want to be exploited, it's all they know!" Scumbag ba*tards!

bobblepuzzle · 09-10-2010 10:18PM

When things were good the government were pumping €1 billion into FAS... in a period of full employment!!! How in gods name could anyone justify that... and then they wonder where money has gone missing...

Chaotic_Forces · 09-10-2010 10:25PM

If it was for about 2-3 months and part time; yes I can see it working.

But come on; 2-3 years required in a simillar field?
So basically: hey listen, you can't get jobs in your field of skill BUT we lovely people will allow you to work (for the same as you get on the dole (assuming you get the full amount)) WHILE allowing YOU to get SKILLS THAT YOU NEED TO GET A JOB!
Think about it: need to work in a shoe shop but lack the ability to tell where it says the shoe size? We can teach you!
Wanna learn how to operate a till? We can teach you that too... IN JUST NINE MONTHS!
And not just the old fashioned ones either... oh no! We even teach how to use a touchscreen!
That's right, you sir could be here, working full time as a proud member of Store X, as a team member, a customer helper AND even get the same on the dole!

So come on over today to FÁS and get your WWP* now!

*And yes folks, that's right! IT IS WORK! You can now proudly tell your friends you a shoe salesman instead of looking for a job as a manager after working as one in an office and earning 50k+ a year!

brianthebard · 09-10-2010 10:26PM

Trekmad wrote: »

Ya, but I think the beauty of it is that while they are still receiving SW payments they are not officially part of the live register (I'm open to correction on that though) so its sugar coating the figures if you will.

Yes this is exactly why the government is coming out with schemes like this and the one they proposed over the summer where people would get the dole in exchange for 20 hours a week at some jobs, without means testing. While the unemployment figures atm are bad they are not totally out of touch with france or germany for instance, but if the people on these schemes and those who have emigrated are taking into account its obvious that the unemployment figures would be much much worse.

Chaotic_Forces · 09-10-2010 10:29PM

round tower huntsman wrote: »

im a plumber/pipefitter. i saw a wpp job during the summer.
fella looking for a qualified plumber,all certs,clean license, min 5 yrs exp,etc......for a wpp job:mad::mad:
its a good idea but as usual its being exploited for cheap labour.

See, that to me is sickening. Anything like a plumber is essentially a trade; a skill you HAVE to learn. Sure you can be good at it but you've got to actually learn and take several years just to get to grips with things.

That's disgusting that they even tried to offer it.

I know that there are much worse out there but come on; it's a fu*king trade! It takes years to learn and now all of a sudden he's to learn... more for free?

He's going to fu*king learn just as much doing jobs for friends and family for free.

Stinicker wrote: »

I think the WPP is a good enough idea, however it is essentially working for your dole for a private employer. It should be at a higher level than this and the employer should be made stump up enough to bring the job up to minimum wage levels.

€196 in money from the Government
+
€145 from private employer
= €341 ÷ 39 = €8.65/hour

WPP on = €196 ÷ 39 = €5.02/hour

This is undercutting other genuine employers by having free staff but it is also giving the company on the WPP an unfair competitive advantage over the guy who will pay his staff, thus putting more pressure on companies to use WPP also.

The WPP is a disgrace and tantamount to slavery, although as it is voluntarily, that is upto the individual.

Wage subsidies are a far better idea where a company cannot keep a staff member on the minimum wage they can apply for subvention as I pointed out above.

I believe the employets get a few hundred/grand just for taking on a person in a WWP.

brianthebard wrote: »

Yes this is exactly why the government is coming out with schemes like this and the one they proposed over the summer where people would get the dole in exchange for 20 hours a week at some jobs, without means testing. While the unemployment figures atm are bad they are not totally out of touch with france or germany for instance, but if the people on these schemes and those who have emigrated are taking into account its obvious that the unemployment figures would be much much worse.

The 20 hours a week isn't too bad tbh. It's just over 9 euro per hour.

oliver007 · 06-05-2011 11:25PM

anybody has great experience from joining WPP? e.g get employed from the company who run the WPP?

Oranage2 · 07-05-2011 12:02AM

oliver007 wrote: »

anybody has great experience from joining WPP? e.g get employed from the company who run the WPP?

A girl i know is doing it in a college - she has a few months left - she likes it and she's getting great experience - she organises events and is in involved in decisions - she's not making tea or doing a lacky work.

Its a horrible thought working for nothing but if its the field you want to work in surely its better than just sitting on the dole.

Laika1986 · 07-05-2011 12:24AM

oliver007 wrote: »

anybody has great experience from joining WPP? e.g get employed from the company who run the WPP?

Mate of mine was offered a permanent position fully paid after a couple of months into his 9 month contract but by the sounds of it he was lucky!

WPP- FAS Are a Disgrace

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