Fast draw?

tac foley

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sfakiaman

The only thing faster than that is a nudist with hot coffee on his lap

Tackleberrywho

Mr Foley, I think this thread sends a bad message to all concerned.

that man is not demonstrating safe pistol handling.
he is also referencing a pistol as a weapon, not for targets.

these things are not to be condoned or supported in Ireland.

Sparks

What the hell was the cameraman thinking around 03:20? :eek:

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

What the hell was the cameraman thinking around 03:20? :eek:

Sparks

don't think this is a good video to encouraging others to watch.
And I think the PTB would agree with me on this one...
The underlying team has nothing to do with target shooting............

BUACHAILL

Gotta admit its impressive though ! Camera man on a death wish

Sparks

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Sparks

don't think this is a good video to encouraging others to watch.
And I think the PTB would agree with me on this one...
The underlying team has nothing to do with target shooting............

CAS isn't banned over here tackleberry.
It's not done, so far as I know, but it's not banned either.
I'd be more worried about someone trying to film shooters (in any discipline) from the position that that cameraman did while live firing was going on!

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

CAS isn't banned over here tackleberry.
It's not done, so far as I know, but it's not banned either.
I'd be more worried about someone trying to film shooters (in any discipline) from the position that that cameraman did while live firing was going on!

there is a muzzle blast visible showing he is not firing correctly, I believe it is all a rigged setup anyway.

However, for those of us who have to go through rigid procedures, and others who had to go through court cases to get centrefires this thread sends out a bad message if continued to exist.

without getting into practical stuff on this thread, i feel this thread could undo a lot of good work by centrefire pistol clubs in education.

I'm surprised that you yourself don't think so?
endorsing fool hardy trick shots with such a sensitive issue as pistols in Ireland is I believe a bad move.

This is just the kind of thing Dermo would love to see and use against us Centrefire pistol shooters!

deerhunter1

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Sparks

don't think this is a good video to encouraging others to watch.
And I think the PTB would agree with me on this one...
The underlying team has nothing to do with target shooting............

I think you are really going over the top on this, we are all reasonable mature responsible shooters here:P We know what it is all about, shooting is shooting, it is fun to watch, it shows us what goes on out there, whether you like the term weapon or not, (neither do I), but a gun is a weapon regardless how we dress it up. So lets relax a bit and enjoy it, if people do not like it that they will not look at it again, different strokes for different folks. It is a form of shooting whether we like it or not and this is what this forum is about. I respect your opinion. But lets lighten up a bit, the world is in enough of a sh-t state without censoring or banning this kind of thing. Its not like we all have handguns to practice this kind of thing, and I hope that people who have them are responsible enough to make up their mind whether to try it or not, and if they do will do so responsibly

Sparks

Tack, it's a video of something being done outside of Ireland, by non-Irish shooters, filmed by a non-Irish camera crew, which isn't done in Ireland at all.

I think banning it might just be over the top by a few squidges.

Sparks

deerhunter1 wrote: »

a gun is a weapon regardless how we dress it up.

That's a paddlin', to borrow a phrase. If a gun is a weapon, then all dogs are poodles.

BUACHAILL

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

there is a muzzle blast visible showing he is not firing correctly, I believe it is all a rigged setup anyway.

However, for those of us who have to go through rigid procedures, and others who had to go through court cases to get centrefires this thread sends out a bad message if continued to exist.

without getting into practical stuff on this thread, i feel this thread could undo a lot of good work by centrefire pistol clubs in education.

I'm surprised that you yourself don't think so?
endorsing fool hardy trick shots with such a sensitive issue as pistols in Ireland is I believe a bad move.

This is just the kind of thing Dermo would love to see and use against us Centrefire pistol shooters!

In fairness I reckon the guy in the video went through rigid procedures for the pistol he is using, sounds like he is from cavan or something:rolleyes:

Relax its a video clip, hardly a demo for safety handling

Cass

That is frighteningly fast. When i first watched it i thought he didn't even unholster the gun.

Towards the start of the video with his first demonstration he said he was using a blank hence the ballon was only 8 feet away. When he done the double ballon shot they seemed the same distance so i'm assuming he was using the same blanks and the cameraman was in no danger.

Also, it could be me, he seemed to be aiming downward when they showed the shots in slow motion at the end of the video. If the blank at such a short distance acts like rat shot in a .22 then accuracy would not have to be 100%. I would love to see this with a target about 10mtrs away and live ammo.

If its speed and accuracy you're looking for though look no further than ...............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpCellB_UQ

deerhunter1

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

there is a muzzle blast visible showing he is not firing correctly, I believe it is all a rigged setup anyway.

However, for those of us who have to go through rigid procedures, and others who had to go through court cases to get centrefires this thread sends out a bad message if continued to exist.

without getting into practical stuff on this thread, i feel this thread could undo a lot of good work by centrefire pistol clubs in education.

I'm surprised that you yourself don't think so?
endorsing fool hardy trick shots with such a sensitive issue as pistols in Ireland is I believe a bad move.

This is just the kind of thing Dermo would love to see and use against us Centrefire pistol shooters!

Not at all

Tackleberrywho

BUACHAILL wrote: »

In fairness I reckon the guy in the video went through rigid procedures for the pistol he is using, sounds like he is from cavan or something:rolleyes:

Relax its a video clip, hardly a demo for safety handling

Well, as I seem to be the only contributer so far who had to do an interview with a chief super to hold on to a pistol, I have more to lose than others on here if the PTB think some Irish yahoo will try the same and blow a hole in his leg.

It may not be as dangerous with a "pellet gun" however I will not bother trying to persuade others not to post.

All I can do is hope it is the video is accepted by shooters as (how not to shoot, staring an American idiot)

Sparks

ezridax wrote: »

Towards the start of the video with his first demonstration he said he was using a blank hence the ballon was only 8 feet away. When he done the double ballon shot they seemed the same distance so i'm assuming he was using the same blanks and the cameraman was in no danger.

Ezri, how many people have been injured seriously or even killed from blanks?
Even leaving famous film stars aside?
I can think of at least two serious injuries in Ireland alone right off the top of my head, one in the ERU.

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

Ezri, how many people have been injured seriously or even killed from blanks?
Even leaving famous film stars aside?
I can think of at least two serious injuries in Ireland alone right off the top of my head, one in the ERU.

I have seen what blanks can do, I generally get a demo every year when on a Tactical excercise with the DF.

There is a very good reason Blank firing attachments are fixed to the barrel of a styer . Blanks can kill!

BUACHAILL

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Well, as I seem to be the only contributer so far who had to do an interview with a chief super to hold on to a pistol, I have more to lose than others on here if the PTB think some Irish yahoo will try the same and blow a hole in his leg.

It may not be as dangerous with a "pellet gun" however I will not bother trying to persuade others not to post.

All I can do is hope it is the video is accepted by shooters as (how not to shoot, staring an American idiot)

Well my thought process differs, I am on this forum because shooting is what I love to do, I will not apologise for it, hide it nor worry about any anti's that might wander on here to try and purposely torment and upset our sport. You can live worrying about other peoples perceptions of how things will come across if you like. If anyone looking at that video decides to give it a go I assure you they are illegally holding a firearm because anyone who owns one legally has the cop on to know this video is only entertainment.

For the record you are not the only one to go up in front of a super to keep a pistol so get over it ! We all have firearms to lose, thats if we are wreckless and stupid so we should all be safe on here;)

Sparks

ezridax wrote: »

If its speed and accuracy you're looking for though look no further than ...............

Well
I'd put up this lot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8QuLYXKNCg

Not as fast, but much smaller targets, much further away, and one-handed.

tac foley

JFW.

You don't shoot black powder target rifles or have fun shooting BP handguns in Ireland either, but there is still interest in that part of the sport.

Some of you guys definitely need to lighten up, FFS.

The link is pulled.

Enjoy your day.

tac

BUACHAILL

tac foley wrote: »

JFW.

You don't shoot black powder target rifles or have fun shooting BP handguns in Ireland either, but there is still interest in that part of the sport.

Some of you guys definitely need to lighten up, FFS.

The link is pulled.

Enjoy your day.

tac

Put the link back up
After all people are entitled to their opinions thats what this site is all about.

Sparks

tac foley wrote: »

It seems that the poster's opinions count for little, while the detractors use the 'bully rule'.

You weren't asked by a mod to pull that post, one poster said they thought it was a bad idea and you listened to them despite everyone else posting that they were wrong including a mod.
Bullying wouldn't be tolerated here anyway; many of our regulars are now ex-regulars because they thought it would be.
But if one poster disagreeing with you while everyone else disagrees with them is what counts for you as bullying tac, then I think you need to grow a slightly thicker skin.

Cass

Sparks, when i go to play the video i get the following message..........

This video contains content from International Olympic Committee, who has blocked it from display on this website

What gives? It can be got on youtube.

Tackleberrywho

Sparks wrote: »

You weren't asked by a mod to pull that post, one poster said they thought it was a bad idea and you listened to them despite everyone else posting that they were wrong including a mod.
Bullying wouldn't be tolerated here anyway; many of our regulars are now ex-regulars because they thought it would be.
But if one poster disagreeing with you while everyone else disagrees with them is what counts for you as bullying tac, then I think you need to grow a slightly thicker skin.

I never bullied anyone?
I gave my opinions, and the reasoning behind them, and as is often the case, nobody took any heed.

The amount of centrefire shooters in this country is very small, so those of us who like to go out, shoot at a piece of paper for "fun" every once in a while like to be able to continue to do that.

From my perspective, having a Centrefire pistol, I am the only person on this thread so far with a pistol to potentially lose.

I watched the video and I could only see the PTB having a field day, and the media!

Show the Competition stuff by all means, but showing how to shoot in a dangerous way............

That cop is referencing wildwest gunslingers, that is the whole image that centrefire shooters want to get away from

Mr Tac Foley (to avoid confusion I will call you mr, as i often get referenced as tack)

I meant no disrespect, i was just concerned that our DOJ would take a dim view of the thread, and think that people here might try that out.

BUACHAILL

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

I never bullied anyone?
I gave my opinions, and the reasoning behind them, and as is often the case, nobody took any heed.

The amount of centrefire shooters in this country is very small, so those of us who like to go out, shoot at a piece of paper for "fun" every once in a while like to be able to continue to do that.

From my perspective, having a Centrefire pistol, I am the only person on this thread so far with a pistol to potentially lose.

I watched the video and I could only see the PTB having a field day, and the media!

Show the Competition stuff by all means, but showing how to shoot in a dangerous way............

That cop is referencing wildwest gunslingers, that is the whole image that centrefire shooters want to get away from

Mr Tac Foley (to avoid confusion I will call you mr, as i often get referenced as tack)

I meant no disrespect, i was just concerned that our DOJ would take a dim view of the thread, and think that people here might try that out.

Tackleberry why do you keep saying your the only one posting on this thread with a centre fire pistol to lose ? your not ? maybe I am misunderstanding this !!

johngalway

I didn't see the video. I'm not talking about it, I am just making a general point purely from my point of view.

My thinking regarding posting on forums has always been this;

Know the score regarding the rules first.

The if you think it fits in there, post it.

If a mod has an issue with it, then there's a problem. Talk to them.

If a poster has a problem with it, then it's up to the mods to figure out if that problem has merit or not. Again, talk to people.

I modded on another hunting site before. I posted a YouTube video of a fox being shot.

Another mod vehemently disagreed with my post, I got a lot of flak for it.

I thought it was fine, he didn't. We were both mods.

So, we came to the agreement that we'd leave it for the decision of the Admin. Admin asked I take it down, which was fine with me, no big deal.

I just think that's a good philosophy for posting threads.

If you're in conflict, then there's a system to work that out, it should be used. Anything else is playground antics.

Tackleberrywho

BUACHAILL wrote: »

Tackleberry why do you keep saying your the only one posting on this thread with a centre fire pistol to lose ? your not ? maybe I am misunderstanding this !!

Sorry, after Ezridax posted, i'm the second, sparks is air pistol.(unless you have a pistol and have failed to mention it before)
mr Foley is across the water so our laws don't affect him.

BUACHAILL

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Sorry, after Ezridax posted, i'm the second, sparks is air pistol.(unless you have a pistol and have failed to mention it before)
mr Foley is across the water so our laws don't affect him.

Yes I have and I mentioned it a few posts ago,Yourself, Ezridax nor I can hardly be affected by a gunslinging video on a site considering its not even practiced here!!

Really dont see the big deal of it all but sure there ye go

tac foley

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

From my perspective, having a Centrefire pistol, I am the only person on this thread so far with a pistol to potentially lose....I meant no disrespect, i was just concerned that our DOJ would take a dim view of the thread, and think that people here might try that out.

A. YOU are the only person here with a centrefire pistol to lose. Well, Sir, I 'lost' so many hangduns back in 1997 that if you shot one a day it would take you almost four months to shoot them all. I venture to say that you cannot begin to imagine how I felt about THAT...

B. YOU are the only person who could try it out.

After have been 'harangued' from all sides to bring the old post back, I've decided that perhaps I over-reacted to your comment. I am, after all, a [formerly] red-haired totally-mad mostly-Irishman with an appalling record of violence in certain directions.

Be aware that over here in gun-strangled UK there are prolly a good few 'fast-draw' clubs where law-abiding loonies people dress up in cowboy duds and burst bloons. All without special branch breathing down their neck, too.

http://www.wimp.com/fastestgunman/

Here it is again.

...and for Mrs Doyle, 'don't be lookin', now.'

tac

Cass

Good to see the video back up. Some light entertainment.

Anyone who cannot see it as such needs a big glass of cop on juice or Prozac.

Tackleberrywho

BUACHAILL wrote: »

Yes I have and I mentioned it a few posts ago,Yourself, Ezridax nor I can hardly be affected by a gunslinging video on a site considering its not even practiced here!!

Really dont see the big deal of it all but sure there ye go

As i said, it was my opinion, which nobody listens to anyway, I have raised issues (i felt were issues) with several threads or statements in recent times, yet they still remain.

I know of people who as of this week had a few issues regarding something mentioned online.

my opinion is that the video was wrong, the majority said it was ok to be shown. majority rules.

I just hope as JG has posted does not happen here, and the PTB are the "admins", and not us or mods.
At the end of the day, submitting a letter from a mod when applying for a pistol licence does not cut any mustard (no offence guys) So I am "in my opinion" more concerned what the PTB would think of the thread.

I'd rather be paranoid and wrong, than not be aware and proved wrong

BUACHAILL

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

As i said, it was my opinion, which nobody listens to anyway, I have raised issues (i felt were issues) with several threads or statements in recent times, yet they still remain.

I know of people who as of this week had a few issues regarding something mentioned online.

my opinion is that the video was wrong, the majority said it was ok to be shown. majority rules.

I just hope as JG has posted does not happen here, and the PTB are the "admins", and not us or mods.
At the end of the day, submitting a letter from a mod when applying for a pistol licence does not cut any mustard (no offence guys) So I am "in my opinion" more concerned what the PTB would think of the thread.

I'd rather be paranoid and wrong, than not be aware and proved wrong

I understand what your getting at but firstly we are all annonymous on this site, I dont think there is much taken off this site which will in anyway effect your licence !! I also like to be cautious in all of this but think you might have overreacted in this case. I have read some of your other queries and objections and agree with a lot of them !

But as you say its your opinion and I never argue with that fact, Nobody was calling you a bully for it either

Tackleberrywho

we are not very anonymous though.........
Ireland is too small to keep secrets

BUACHAILL

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

we are not very anonymous though.........
Ireland is too small to keep secrets

Agh you just need to try a bit harder !!;)

johngalway

BUACHAILL wrote: »

we are all annonymous on this site

Far from it. Dependent on who wants to know.

BUACHAILL

johngalway wrote: »

Far from it. Dependent on who wants to know.

its in your own hands, you decide how much or little you want people to know about you in fairness !! so if people know exactly who you are you created it

johngalway

BUACHAILL wrote: »

its in your own hands, you decide how much or little you want people to know about you in fairness !! so if people know exactly who you are you created it

Sort of. I think we're talking about different things though. What I mean, to give an example, say I lamped a deer out of season and posted it up here. And say the Wildlife or Gardai saw it and wanted to do something about it. They could well request my IP and other details from the site, and most likely get them.

So you're correct, loose lips sink ships as was said in WW2.

But, to think that an ID on a website on the internet is untraceable is not correct.

BUACHAILL

johngalway wrote: »

Sort of. I think we're talking about different things though. What I mean, to give an example, say I lamped a deer out of season and posted it up here. And say the Wildlife or Gardai saw it and wanted to do something about it. They could well request my IP and other details from the site, and most likely get them.

So you're correct, loose lips sink ships as was said in WW2.

But, to think that an ID on a website on the internet is untraceable is not correct.

yes fully agree and I wasnt talking along them lines !
To shoot a deer out of season and then to post it though you would deserve to lose your licence and firearms. But thankfully that stuff doesnt happen with members of this forum :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Just incase any anti's is looking:D

Tackleberrywho

BUACHAILL wrote: »

its in your own hands, you decide how much or little you want people to know about you in fairness !! so if people know exactly who you are you created it

All one has to do is read your posts, where you did your driving test, where you play golf etc....

A person can build up a profile very quick.

A good friend of mine says, a clever man never posts, but reads every post

And never registers...
You registered, you gave your name on "trust" to boards.ie, you are "trusting" mods, admins etc to look into who you are.

A lot on here know who I am, and I know a lot on here, many got to know who i was from people informing them.

do not think for a moment that fellas on here who don't like you will forward your info good/bad onto others......

BUACHAILL

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

All one has to do is read your posts, where you did your driving test, where you play golf etc....

A person can build up a profile very quick.

A good friend of mine says, a clever man never posts, but reads every post

And never registers...
You registered, you gave your name on "trust" to boards.ie, you are "trusting" mods, admins etc to look into who you are.

A lot on here know who I am, and I know a lot on here, many got to know who i was from people informing them.

do not think for a moment that fellas on here who don't like you will forward your info good/bad onto others......

Ha Ha I like it

However even from that info you couldnt know who I am. I get your point though

That said I decided to put that stuff up so maybe I am more trusting than some. I decided who knew who I was on this site.

As for the mods having your info, if thats not to be trusted why even use the site ye know.

deerhunter1

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Well, as I seem to be the only contributer so far who had to do an interview with a chief super to hold on to a pistol, I have more to lose than others on here if the PTB think some Irish yahoo will try the same and blow a hole in his leg.

It may not be as dangerous with a "pellet gun" however I will not bother trying to persuade others not to post.

All I can do is hope it is the video is accepted by shooters as (how not to shoot, staring an American idiot)

Hopefully so, and No your not the only person here to have an interview, I also had an interview with the Chief Super Ref my Three Pistols, not a valid point I do not think, whether you have 10 pistols or 1 if you lose it it is a lot to that person to lose.

johngalway

BUACHAILL wrote: »

As for the mods having your info, if thats not to be trusted why even use the site ye know.

We've gone full circle here

As you said, it's what you say that get's a person in trouble.

As I said, there's not much hiding on the internet.

deerhunter1

sfakiaman wrote: »

The only thing faster than that is a nudist with hot coffee on his lap

:D:rolleyes:

Cass

deerhunter1 wrote: »

:D:rolleyes:

I'm guessing he/she is in level 4 security . .....................

Rovi

Just a couple of points:

We mods DON'T have access to anyone's 'personal' information here (log-in/registration details, e-mail addresses, etc).



CAS (Cowboy Action Shooting) isn't banned specifically and by name here, but then, neither is IPSC, and we all know where that stands.
In the feeding-frenzy like rush to implement the ill-informed and somewhat obsessive wishes of the current Minister, legislation was framed to prohibit 'stuff we know we don't like, but can't quite describe, but we'll know it when we see it.'
Thus we have legislation that's woolly and vague, which can be (and currently IS) interpreted to mean a ban on shooting sports that involve movement, variable round counts, puzzle solving, and an element of thinking on your feet during the course of fire.

CAS is a HUGE shooting sport around the world (and is particularly popular in Germany and Scandinavia), but that cuts no ice here under the current regime, and anyone who had any plans for getting it started up has shelved any such notions lest they suffer the same fate as the IPSC lads. In any event, there are very few (if any) suitable firearms licenced here, certainly for the pistol aspects of it, and there won't be unless/until there's a change in legislation.

Yer man in the video certainly has an impressive skill set, even given the use of blanks which reduce the necessary 'accuracy' requirement for hitting his targets, but it's enormously specialised and I certainly don't know of anyone here who'd have anything other than an academic interest in it.
Certainly, the 'lucky ones' who managed to hold onto their pistol licences wouldn't dream of jeopardising them by engaging in the activity even if their equipment WAS suitable, which none of it is to the best of my knowledge.

Sparks

ezridax wrote: »

Sparks, when i go to play the video i get the following message..........

What gives? It can be got on youtube.

Crap! Sorry Ezri, no idea - it played on youtube so I thought it'd play embedded as well.

Mr Mole

Looking at the video of the Olympic 25 Metre, Mr Reitz, the German competitor would have been disqualified in many other disciplines for unsafe gun handling re his waving of the gun 1.05 secs in. It just shows that safety can be breached in all disciplines.

Bananaman

It does need to be said that the video you all started getting your collective knickers in a twist over is an exhibitionist.

There are people who drive cars around fairgrounds on two wheels - which have nothing to do with the sport of motor racing - same as there are 'trick shooters' who have nothing to do with the sport of target shooting.

It is like watching Ronnie O'Sullivan play snooker back when he was starting out - he would play so fast he would be waiting for the white ball to stop and hit it again immediately. But he won, many, many times, even at that pace. However, someone chipping a snooker ball over a blond in a bikini and into the corner pocket is not snooker - but even the purists would watch it.

Cowboy Action Shooting has also been referred to - again the original video had nothing to do with the sport of Cowboy Action Shooting (although he did compete in it - remember the video was made 24 years ago so he ain't that fast anymore!!)- the guy was wearing a Stetson but so does George W. Bush and to be best of my recollection he has never represented Target Shooting either.

Someone then later posted a video of Jerry Miculek making his record attempt of 8 shots in 1 second. That, in contrast, __was__ target shooting as he scored two hits on each of four targets. Quite a feat.
He has also done 12 shots in 2 seconds with a 6 shot revolver, so including a reload - and that also __was__ target shooting as he scored two hits on each of 6 targets that time. Has to be said that he is one of the best, not just the fastest, target shooters in world - especially with a revolver

In my view it is unfair to compare these two as the only common denominator is firearms and we all know what it fells like to be unfairly compared to someone else purely on the grounds of having a firearm.

There is nothing wrong with being able to shoot fast - as long as you can put them in the scoring ring, which at the end of the day is the main requirement. Being able to shoot fast and not score is just a waste of time and ammo.

It is important to make the distinction between 'shooting' and 'target shooting' - In Ireland we are only allowed to do 'target shooting' so posting an example of what people do in other jurisdictions needs to be taken with a pinch of salt - especially - when it is from the USA.

B'Man

Cass

Bananaman wrote: »

Someone then later posted a video of Jerry Miculek making his record attempt of 8 shots in 1 second.............

I did.

.................In my view it is unfair to compare these two ................................

Was not comparing them. I posted the video after seeing him first on Discovery and thought it would be good for others to see him. This thread was the place to post it. As per your own post it was for entertainment and nothing else. Also if you read my post (#13) you'll see i pointed out that i would like to see the CAS shooter do it at a target and how Jerry was/is a speed and accuracy shooter. Two different styles.

Sparks

Mr Mole wrote: »

Looking at the video of the Olympic 25 Metre, Mr Reitz, the German competitor would have been disqualified in many other disciplines for unsafe gun handling re his waving of the gun 1.05 secs in. It just shows that safety can be breached in all disciplines.

If he'd turned the pistol during that particular outburst, he'd have been hauled up on it immediately and disqualified as well. Just because ISSF jury members and ROs don't stand at your shoulder during the match doesn't mean they're absent - he would have had at least six officials watching him at that point.

Sparks

Bananaman wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with being able to shoot fast

Did someone say there was? The only real complaint anyone had that didn't have everyone else disagreeing with them on the original video was that the cameraman was in front of the firing line.