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Pro-Israel BBC bias on Flotilla Massacre documentary.
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Thanks. Just added them to my bookmarks
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Yes but not alone. This is how.PanchoVilla wrote: »And yet O'Keefe disarmed and subdued Israeli commandos."I went from the stern to the middle deck, below the upper deck, on which the soldiers landed. Just as I got there, one of the commandos fell from the upper deck, just a meter and a half from me, in front of my eyes. I think it was the soldier whose photograph was later published looking straight into the camera. The first thing I saw was the 9 mm pistol he was carrying, and I immediately tried to take it. The soldier was conscious but pretty much in shock, and it was easy to deal with him. I took his firearm but didn't know what to do with it.
http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/rough-passage-1.315481"After hiding the weapon I went back to the middle deck from the other side, when another commando was thrown down. This soldier had an assault rifle and was fully conscious. It was a lot harder to cope with him than with the first soldier. I and another Turk tried to take his firearm, but the strap was tied behind his back and he lay on his back and fought us. I saw that he was trying to reach the trigger, so we both made sure not to be opposite the barrel. He held the weapon so tightly that I had to pry his fingers loose from it. In the end we managed to get the rifle away from him and the Turk who was with me took it. Another two people arrived from midship and took this soldier inside, too.
Nope. Here they are again.PanchoVilla wrote: »Did you miss the pictures of Ken with his forehead covered in blood?
And this is what happened.
http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/rough-passage-1.315481We arrived at the airport and there was someone in charge wearing civilian clothes. Under his command were policemen in special uniforms, black or very dark blue. [There were policemen, Border Police and members of the police special patrol unit at the airport.] It was obvious that they despised us. We sat in the airport and a few meters in front of me was an American named Paul Larudee. Paul had a black eye and deep contusions on his right arm and he was in handcuffs. Apparently he had been told that he had to go somewhere and he would not do it and lay down on the floor. He was picked up by the hand and started to scream with the pain of his injuries. We all got up and started to shout at them to let him go. The police came over and shouted at us and hit us. One policeman hit me on the head with a truncheon and blood started to run down my face. I did not resist but told them everything I thought, that they were ****s and cowards, so one of them started to choke me and the others kicked me in the ribs.
"There were four or five of them on me. I couldn't breathe. Just as I started to black out, they got off. That was the only moment I thought I might not survive this story. Others were also beaten in the airport and one of the Turks had his arm broken.
"I was on the floor. They handcuffed me and started to drag me. At that point I started to resist, because I didn't understand where they were taking me, so they threw me on the floor again and one of them kicked me in the head while I was lying on the floor and my head was bleeding.
"When the guy in charge brought the policemen under control again I no longer wanted anything from them. Someone wanted to wipe the blood off my face and I told him to back off. Probably they didn't want me to fly with fresh wounds and all the blood on me, so they took me to some detention facility in the airport, where I ended up staying two more days while the others had already flown back.
"I was held in a cell alone in the airport. I was not allowed to see a lawyer or to call anyone. The Irish consul general came to see me and begged me to agree to leave. I told him I wanted to see a judge. On the day before I left someone came in and said, 'A judge will see you now.' I entered a room and there was a judge there and he asked me questions and I answered him. Half an hour later he called me in and said, 'You are being deported from Israel.'
"The night before I left I was attacked in my cell by two guards or policemen. I don't know who they were. I was sleeping, they came in, beat me and left. So I had blood on my face when I was released. I would not agree to wash my face, even though the Irish consul general asked me to. I told him, 'This is the way I was treated and I will keep the blood on my face. That's how I will stay, or that's how I will leave.'"
Evidently you presumed wrong.PanchoVilla wrote: »I presume from head butting those two commandos in the face.
Because quite clearly that was the only ship that the IDF attacked with lethal means.PanchoVilla wrote: »Why was the MM the only ship of five to have this kind of loss of life
Wrong againThere was violence on the other ships. Up to and icluding the most recent Jewish ships.PanchoVilla wrote: »or even violence for that matter?
No they didn'tPanchoVilla wrote: »The other four ship surrendered without a struggle,
Sailing by night is not a crime. Mass-murder at night is.PanchoVilla wrote: »and they also did not try entering Gaza under the cover of darkness.
Yes they did.PanchoVilla wrote: »They did not report any violencePanchoVilla wrote: »or executions.
Well that's because there wasn't any. They only killed dark skinned Muslims because it's not as bad PR due to the ****ed up nature of the world we live in.
Naturally. Those involved should be tried for war crimes.PanchoVilla wrote: »And they catch a ton of flak for these actions.
Israelis know right from wrong too,PanchoVilla wrote: »Israelis themselves are even turning against these kinds of tacticsPanchoVilla wrote: »so the government needs to manufacture some credibility.
By committing mass-murder?PanchoVilla wrote: »It just doesn't make any sense that the MM was attacked unprovoked.
Why would you expect a lunatic state to make sense to you? The flotilla was attacked to conserve the illegal blockade on Gaza who imposes on Gazans collective punishment - a(nother) war crime.
Told you above.PanchoVilla wrote: »How the hell did Ken O'Keefe, a former Marine who has been out of active duty for over 15 years, manage two disarm and subdue two highly trained Israeli commandos? Simple, they allowed him to disarm them. How did he avoid being shot in the face? Simple, "Don't shoot the guy with the massive teardrop tattoo on his face, he's on our side".
:pac:PanchoVilla wrote: »iHH is well know to have alleged terrorist links.
Sorry thats bollox. Nobody had even heard of them until AFTER Israek went into damage control after they had killed some it's members.
See this post:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68238775&postcount=9
Well it was twofoldPanchoVilla wrote: »What the hell were they doing on that boat?
1. Raising public awareness of the destitute conditions and the plight of the Gazans arising from the illegal blockade imposed by Israel
2. Bring much needed aid to ease the suffering of these people. Things like wheelchairs for people crippled by the IDF from Castlead. More War Crimes there.PanchoVilla wrote: »Even if the allegations are false, they still have that reputation and had no business on that boat to begin with.
Lost me again.
A charity has "no business" in carrying out charity?
No offense but I suggest you open your eyes.PanchoVilla wrote: »Edit: I also find it strange that there's so little information about this guy.
San Diege, California.PanchoVilla wrote: »Where is he from?PanchoVilla wrote: »What schools did he attend?
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=614845373#!/1worldcitizenEducation and work
Employers- Aloha Palestine LTDSeptember 2008 to presentManaging director
London, United Kingdom
A social enterprise intending to conduct safe, fair trade with Palestine.
PanchoVilla wrote: »What's with the tattoos on his face?
It represents the death of a loved one.0 - Aloha Palestine LTDSeptember 2008 to presentManaging director
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Kill-verifying: a procedure
http://www.shovrimshtika.org/press_item_e.asp?id=45
Sound familiar?...Furkan Dogan, a nineteen-year old with dual Turkish and United States citizenship, was on the central area of the top deck filming with a small video camera when he was first hit with live fire. It appears that he was lying on the deck in a conscious, or semi-conscious, state for some time. In total Furkan received five bullet wounds, to the face, head, back thorax, left leg and foot. All of the entry wounds were on the back of his body, except for the face wound which entered to the right of his nose. According to forensic analysis, tattooing around the wound in his face indicates that the shot was delivered at point blank range.
Furthermore, the trajectory of the wound, from bottom to top, together with a vital abrasion to the left shoulder that could be consistent with the bullet exit point, is compatible with the shot being received while he was lying on the ground on his back. The other wounds were not the result of firing in contact, near contact or close range, but it is not otherwise possible to determine the exact firing range. The wounds to the leg and foot were
most likely received in a standing position.
Ibrahim Bilgen, a 60 year old Turkish citizen, from Siirt in Turkey, was on the top deck and was one of the first passengers to be shot. He received a bullet wound to the chest, the trajectory of which was from above and not at close range. He had a further two bullet wounds to the right side of the back and right buttock, both back to front. These wounds would not have caused instant death, but he would have bled to death within a short time without medical attention.
Forensic evidence shows that he was shot in the side of the head with a soft baton round at such close proximity and that an entire bean bag and its wadding penetrated the skull and lodged in the brain. He had a further bruise on the right flank consistent with another beanbag wound. The wounds are consistent with the deceased initially being shot from soldiers on board the helicopter above and receiving a further wound to the head while lying on the ground, already wounded.
According to the pathology report, Ali Heyder Bengi, a 38 year old Turkish citizen from Diyarbakir, received six bullet wounds (one in the chest, one in the abdomen, one in the right arm, one in the right thigh and two in the left hand). One bullet lodged in the chest area.
None of the wounds would have been instantly fatal, but damage to the liver caused bleeding which would have been fatal if not stemmed. There are several witness accounts which suggest that Israeli soldiers shot the deceased in the back and chest at close range while he was lying on the deck as a consequence of initial bullet wounds.
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