17 year old British kid banned from the US for life

Brown Bomber

For calling Obama a prick!! http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100913/tuk-teen-banned-from-us-for-barracking-o-45dbed5.html

HAHA! Welcome to the era of thought crimes. Well he is one...Only joking Obomber, please don't ban me.

gizmo

There was a thread about this in AH a couple of days ago. One particular post summed up my own feelings on the matter...

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Kind of cool to be honest, would be pretty ****ing awesome if there was a lot more real world comeback to the utter ****e people spout on the internet.

Is a permanent ban a bit over the top? Probably.
Is it still nice to see the above? Most definitely.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

you don't have a natural born right to enter the united states, the reaction is pretty disgracefully over the top but that doesn't change the fact.

Brown Bomber

gizmo wrote: »

There was a thread about this in AH a couple of days ago. One particular post summed up my own feelings on the matter...



Is a permanent ban a bit over the top? Probably.
Is it still nice to see the above? Most definitely.

Y'know I'd much rather see Obama, the prick "seeing a real world comeback" for all the innocent people he has killed including women and children in his drones before I start worrying about what a child sends in an e-mail.

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Y'know I'd much rather see Obama, the prick "seeing a real world comeback" for all the innocent people he has killed including women and children in his drones before I start worrying about what a child sends in an e-mail.

It has nothing to do with Obama, you don't send that kind of stuff to the US President, regardless of who is in office.

As for the criticism of him, this clearly isn't the forum for it but given what he's accomplished since winning the Presidency compared to what his predecessor did, don't you think you're being a little bit harsh? Or does every person who becomes US President automatically become a prick in your eyes?

Brown Bomber

gizmo wrote: »

It has nothing to do with Obama, you don't send that kind of stuff to the US President, regardless of who is in office.

As for the criticism of him, this clearly isn't the forum for it but given what he's accomplished since winning the Presidency compared to what his predecessor did, don't you think you're being a little bit harsh? Or does every person who becomes US President automatically become a prick in your eyes?

Nope. Care to denounce him for killing children?

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Nope. Care to denounce him for killing children?

What children did he kill?

Brown Bomber

gizmo wrote: »

What children did he kill?

ONe example of many.
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/08/23/us-drone-strike-destroys-house-full-of-children-in-pakistan/#

Of course we never find out their names because that would mean registering them as fellow human beings.

Brown Bomber

Some quick reading on the "prick"

Obama’s covert wars
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/aug2010/pers-a16.shtml


Obama to Escalate Slaughter in Yemen
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20804


Obama Administration In Danger Of Establishing "New Normal" With Worst Bush-Era Policies, Says ACLU
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/obama-administration-danger-establishing-new-normal-worst-bush-era-policies-says-a

See? Murders innocent people. Calling him a prick is extremely generous.
My wife was orphaned by a CIA backed dictator in Chile before her first birthday. I've seen first hand the damage it does.

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

ONe example of many.
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/08/23/us-drone-strike-destroys-house-full-of-children-in-pakistan/#

Of course we never find out their names because that would mean registering them as fellow human beings.

I don't see anything there mentioning Obama authorizing the strike? Nor do I see any complaints from Pakistan regarding the strike.

Yes, of course it's a tragedy that the adjoining house was destroyed but why not ask the question, "Why are militants hiding amongst innocent civilians when they know they are putting their lives at risk by doing so?".

Brown Bomber

gizmo wrote: »

I don't see anything there mentioning Obama authorizing the strike? Nor do I see any complaints from Pakistan regarding the strike.

Yes, of course it's a tragedy that the adjoining house was destroyed but why not ask the question, "Why are militants hiding amongst innocent civilians when they know they are putting their lives at risk by doing so?".

Imran Khan files petition in SC to protest US drone attacks

Read more: Imran Khan files petition in SC to protest US drone attacks - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Imran-Khan-files-petition-in-SC-to-protest-US-drone-attacks/articleshow/6111434.cms#ixzz10IuMiM1v

No it wasn't a tragedy that the house was destroyed it was a tragedy that their were women and children inside who woke up that morning not knowing it would be their last day alive. Obama is repsonsible for their death, it's not all that complicated to be fair.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

what has obama accomplished?

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Imran Khan files petition in SC to protest US drone attacks

Read more: Imran Khan files petition in SC to protest US drone attacks - The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Imran-Khan-files-petition-in-SC-to-protest-US-drone-attacks/articleshow/6111434.cms#ixzz10IuMiM1v

I was of course referring to the Pakistani government but I don't see anything wrong with Khan's case either. The agreement should be made public knowledge so the population is aware under what circumstances strikes can be carried out.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

No it wasn't a tragedy that the house was destroyed it was a tragedy that their were women and children inside who woke up that morning not knowing it would be their last day alive. Obama is repsonsible for their death, it's not all that complicated to be fair.

When I said the house was destroyed I of course meant that the people inside died. As for him being responsible, well I simply disagree and will counter that if those militants hadn't been there and hadn't committed acts which required such action, those people would still be alive.

As for what Obama has accomplished, well in this context he committed to the cessation of combat operations in Iraq and the removal of active troops by August this year and managed to do it with a few days to spare. He also hasn't actually initiated any wars since taking over, not something to really boast about but given the actions of his predecessor, it's at least worth noting.

Brown Bomber

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

what has obama accomplished?

Change™

Freemason style:

uprising2

gizmo wrote: »

It has nothing to do with Obama, you don't send that kind of stuff to the US President, regardless of who is in office.

As for the criticism of him, this clearly isn't the forum for it but given what he's accomplished since winning the Presidency compared to what his predecessor did, don't you think you're being a little bit harsh? Or does every person who becomes US President automatically become a prick in your eyes?

Obama is a prick, and PLEASE do tell of his accomplishments so far?, he's a dirty lying kunt, he's done fcuk all, only backpeddle over his lies.

Ohh sorry for saying bed things about the higher than high president, he's no different than the bush's or any other lying basstard that held that position.

He's a lying wormonger scumbag, I hate the kunt just as much as I did bush.

Please give me examples of the "Good" he has done, because I feel you are a vitim of misinformation/spin/bolllox or ignorance.


Obama, prince hall freemason.

gizmo

uprising2 wrote: »

Obama is a prick, and PLEASE do tell of his accomplishments so far?, he's a dirty lying kunt, he's done fcuk all, only backpeddle over his lies.

Ohh sorry for saying bed things about the higher than high president, he's no different than the bush's or any other lying basstard that held that position.

He's a lying wormonger scumbag, I hate the kunt just as much as I did bush.

Please give me examples of the "Good" he has done, because I feel you are a vitim of misinformation/spin/bolllox or ignorance.

Annnnnnd I'm out.

meglome

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Change™

Freemason style:

That's his high school graduation in Hawaii. I was at one here a while ago and they wore robes too.

uprising2 wrote: »

Obama is a prick, and PLEASE do tell of his accomplishments so far?, he's a dirty lying kunt, he's done fcuk all, only backpeddle over his lies.

Ohh sorry for saying bed things about the higher than high president, he's no different than the bush's or any other lying basstard that held that position.

He's a lying wormonger scumbag, I hate the kunt just as much as I did bush.

Please give me examples of the "Good" he has done, because I feel you are a vitim of misinformation/spin/bolllox or ignorance.

Well now, don't hold back, tell us what you really think.

While I'm suspicious of anyone who does what it takes to become US president he is far better than Bush. He's not an idiot and seems to actually try to follow through on what he says.

Nehaxak

meglome wrote: »

That's his high school graduation in Hawaii. I was at one here a while ago and they wore robes too.

I thought he was hinting more toward the style of handshake in that picture, which looks similar to the secret handshake carried out by freemasons.

uprising2

meglome wrote: »

That's his high school graduation in Hawaii. I was at one here a while ago and they wore robes too.

Hint.....its the handshake, thumb on knuckle, kinda gives it away, much like this one.

meglome wrote: »

Well now, don't hold back, tell us what you really think.

While I'm suspicious of anyone who does what it takes to become US president he is far better than Bush. He's not an idiot and seems to actually try to follow through on what he says.

Everybody knew what a kunt bush was, he was a stupid kunt, this kunt is a clever kunt, millions still fall for his bullsh1t.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UErR7i2onW0

meglome

Nehaxak wrote: »

I thought he was hinting more toward the style of handshake in that picture, which looks similar to the secret handshake carried out by freemasons.

Ah right thanks. Though looks exactly like the half assed handshake I gave someone last week too.

uprising2 wrote: »

Hint.....its the handshake, thumb on knuckle, kinda gives it away, much like this one.

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Those handshakes don't look the same to me at all.

Yitzhak Rabin

Also, if thats his high school graduation, then he is too young to be a mason.

uprising2

yekahs wrote: »

Also, if thats his high school graduation, then he is too young to be a mason.

Barack Obama arrived for a speech at the Scottish Rite Masonic Center in Des Moines yesterday. (Jim Young/Reuters)
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/28/obama_emphasizes_his_ability_to_effect_change_in_iowa_push/

meglome

uprising2 wrote: »

Barack Obama arrived for a speech at the Scottish Rite Masonic Center in Des Moines yesterday. (Jim Young/Reuters)
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/28/obama_emphasizes_his_ability_to_effect_change_in_iowa_push/

So how many speeches has he given in his career? Must be in the hundreds... and how many were in Masonic halls?

Torakx

meglome wrote: »

Ah right thanks. Though looks exactly like the half assed handshake I gave someone last week too.



Those handshakes don't look the same to me at all.

Its the thumb on the knuckle.Berty looked a bit flustered and looks to be an inch or so too high over the gap of the first two knuckles...but who wants to argue symantics.They do look like very similar handshakes and there are alot of examples and ussually its of those who frequent certain circles.Most other businessmen shake hands normally i think with a firm clasp as a show of strength.A weak handshake could send the wrong message.
So why all the weak handshakes with these guys?
Bankers syndrome BS for short

Oranage2

If Obama wasn't half black and if he didn't immediately precede G.w. Bush well he'd be slaughtered.

The 2012 election will show all his lies.

Handyman1

As the good lady said "There is a bad ass war going on" The mother fcukers are hiding among innocent people but need to be sorted,

Its only when one of yours gets hurt along the way that you will volunteer your armchair support :mad:

Nehaxak

meglome wrote: »

Those handshakes don't look the same to me at all.

They don't but the handshakes can differentiate between different levels or something, thumb touching first and second knuckle, then the second and third knuckle and some other level being fingers touching the wrist or something along those lines.

One handshake I've seen practised in Ireland was the third finger of each persons hand interlocking mid-shake, apparently because the other secret handshakes have been blown all over the internet.

meglome

Nehaxak wrote: »

They don't but the handshakes can differentiate between different levels or something, thumb touching first and second knuckle, then the second and third knuckle and some other level being fingers touching the wrist or something along those lines.

One handshake I've seen practised in Ireland was the third finger of each persons hand interlocking mid-shake, apparently because the other secret handshakes have been blown all over the internet.

I have to admit i have no idea of what handshakes might be used by the masons. What I do know is many of these handshakes are indistinguishable from every day handshakes. That Obama one is exactly the handshake i gave someone last week, not intentionally but turned out that way. When two people meet for the first time or meet very rarely handshakes can often be uncomfortable or awkward and can therefore look odd. This happens with me maybe 20% of the time and it sticks in my mind for some reason. Since I know I do it and I'm not a mason I find it difficult to ascribe masonic meaning when seeing other people do it.

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

For calling Obama a prick!! http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100913/tuk-teen-banned-from-us-for-barracking-o-45dbed5.html

HAHA! Welcome to the era of thought crimes. Well he is one...Only joking Obomber, please don't ban me.

well back on topic....

the article.. if it to be trusted, main stream media, sensatalising stuff and all that lads...

also says he used threating and abusive language....
it is hard to say since they didnt reproduce the email.. exactly what was said... but threating, possibly the life, of a countrys leader is a no no... and serves the idiot right....
there are consequences for your actions and now he has to accept that..

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

For calling Obama a prick!! http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100913/tuk-teen-banned-from-us-for-barracking-o-45dbed5.html

That link says nothing about what the email said. Nothing about calling anyone a prick.

Another case of 1 + 1 making 3. Without the text of the email the OP is even more sensationalist than any tabloid.

Torakx

Maybe when arnie get president the kid will be allowed back in
Anyone see him in The Expendables? walking into the sun out of a church lol

todolist

Obama has to be the most boring occupant the white house has ever had.He wasn't called the "empty suit" when he was an Illinois Senator for nothing.

uprising2

todolist wrote: »

Obama has to be the most boring occupant the white house has ever had.He wasn't called the "empty suit" when he was an Illinois Senator for nothing.

Not to the people of Pakistans tribal belt he hasn't,

US Drone Strike Statistics
Year........Number of Drone Strikes......TotalKilled
2004.....................1...............................5
2005.....................2...............................7
2006.....................2.............................23
2007.....................4.............................74
2008....................33...........................296
2009....................53...........................709
2010....................72...........................653
..............................................Total1,767

Projection for 2010.............92..............824

On June 3, 2009, the United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) delivered a report sharply critical of US tactics. The report asserted that the US government has failed to keep track of civilian casualties of its military operations, including the drone attacks, and to provide means for citizens of affected nations to obtain information about the casualties and any legal inquests regarding them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan

Brown Bomber

robtri wrote: »

well back on topic....

the article.. if it to be trusted, main stream media, sensatalising stuff and all that lads...

also says he used threating and abusive language....
it is hard to say since they didnt reproduce the email.. exactly what was said... but threating, possibly the life, of a countrys leader is a no no... and serves the idiot right....
there are consequences for your actions and now he has to accept that..

Being banned from AmeriKKKA for life is a blessing not a punishment.

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Being banned from AmeriKKKA for life is a blessing not a punishment.

Indeed but you'd need to do more the call the president a prick like you suggested.
So why all the sensationalism?

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

That link says nothing about what the email said. Nothing about calling anyone a prick.

Another case of 1 + 1 making 3. Without the text of the email the OP is even more sensationalist than any tabloid.

Don't know if I should respond to this. You quote me and then refer to me in the third person.


Will the kid admitting that he called him a prick satisfy you?

He said that he had called President Obama a ‘p***k’ but when asked if the action taken to ban him from going to America ‘forever’ was extreme, Mr Angel said he had been more abusive than that.

http://www.bedfordshire-news.co.uk/News/Teen-is-banned-from-USA-over-Obama-hate-email.htm

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

Indeed but you'd need to do more the call the president a prick like you suggested.
So why all the sensationalism?

I'm sorry I really don't know what you are getting at.

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Will the kid admitting that he called him a prick satisfy you?

but what else did he say in the email... what was the threatening stuff?????

bonkey

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Will the kid admitting that he called him a prick satisfy you?

The comment you supply has the kid admitting he called Obama a pricak and that he was also far more abusive then that.

In the OP, however, you portrayed the ban for life as being " For calling Obama a prick!!".

That would be like someone here hurling abuse and threats at another poster and finishing off by calling them stupid....getting banned....and someone else suggesting they were banned for calling another poster stupid.

That's assuming that the suggestion that there were threats involved as well was a fabrication.

Welcome to the era of thought crimes

Sending an email isn't a thought. Its an action.

squod

As soon as this fella figures out that he outa write a book about it the richer he'll get. If he can't hear 'ka-ching' like every time he clicks on his inbox he's a moron. Or deaf

sligopark

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

you don't have a natural born right to enter the united states

wish it were the same in Ireland

gizmo

sligopark wrote: »

wish it were the same in Ireland

It is the same here.

Texan backpackers turned away by Irish immigration.

caseyann

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

what has obama accomplished?

A nose job


I had people insult me why cant i get them banned for life :mad:

That kid is going to be famous when he gets older,for what yet to be seen lol

gizmo

They seem pretty similar to me, especially considering one picture is him at his high school graduation whereas the other one is a current picture of him.

As for becoming famous later, well generally speaking people who think they're smart and/or funny writing to someone to call them a prick don't usually go very far in life.

Brown Bomber

Obama defends the right to kill US citizens without due process before a court of law without having to give any justification for the murder, even to the courts - hiding behind the "state secrets" act.

What a prick President.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/25/AR2010092500560.html?hpid=topnews

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Obama defends the right to kill US citizens without due process before a court of law without having to give any justification for the murder, even to the courts - hiding behind the "state secrets" act.

What a prick President.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/25/AR2010092500560.html?hpid=topnews

I don't really see the issue with this in this context. What we have here is a suspected terrorist who is hiding in another nation with no extradition agreement in place with the US. If he is innocent then there is no reason why he can't return to the US and face due process. His case is high profile enough that they won't be able to simply brush it under the carpet as some may suggest.

iPlop

That kid is a moron! Never will he get to visit the USA! One of the most beautiful and diverse places I have been to(politics aside)

Phill Ewinn

Septic Leper wrote: »

That kid is a moron! Never will he get to visit the USA! One of the most beautiful and diverse places I have been to(politics aside)

Meh.

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

ONe example of many.
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/08/23/us-drone-strike-destroys-house-full-of-children-in-pakistan/#

Of course we never find out their names because that would mean registering them as fellow human beings.

The children of Mohammed Asghar who was killed in a US drone attack.
http://www.cageprisoners.com/our-work/interviews/item/535-interview-with-family-devastated-by-drone-attack

Brown Bomber

gizmo wrote: »

I don't really see the issue with this in this context. What we have here is a suspected terrorist who is hiding in another nation with no extradition agreement in place with the US. If he is innocent then there is no reason why he can't return to the US and face due process. His case is high profile enough that they won't be able to simply brush it under the carpet as some may suggest.

Apparently he is also an expected of working for the CIA by other Muslims.
Just a warning on the above, I listened to some of the lecture and it is a little disturbing for some reason. I think it is a genuine jihadi type speaking. Interesting nonetheless. My computer has been having all kinds of crashes since I start looking into this stuff just now, white screen flashes and stuff, weird.

Anyway. Don't you find the fact that the president can order citizens killed without any accountabilty or reason a terribly dangerous precedent?

gizmo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Anyway. Don't you find the fact that the president can order citizens killed without any accountabilty or reason a terribly dangerous precedent?

As I said, in this context no. If this man is indeed innocent, there is nothing stopping him from coming forward and proclaiming his innocence. Given the level of interest from civil rights groups there is no way anything would happen to him if he did this. Also taking into consideration the fact that Obama has used the state secret act so seldom since coming into office it's quite obvious there is a strong case against him otherwise such measures would not have been taken.

As for the subsequent links, can you please link to some stories regarding the innocent deaths at the hands of Mohammed Ali Hamadi? How about because of Baitullah Mehsud? Or maybe Hakimullah Mehsud?

Do you even know who these people are? What they have done? Probably not unfortuantely, yet I'm sure it'll be easy to find hundreds of articles about how the US have "slaughtered" hundreds of people in Pakistan. While I'm all for denouncing the heavy handed tactics of the US military when it's called for, the bias in the other direction sickens me equally.