"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

GO_Bear

keppler wrote: »

in theory wouldnt this wind have to blow through a junkyard full of old 747 parts? lol

Haha , never even taught of that!

keppler

Wicknight wrote: »

Let me ask again

When you said the mathematically proven intelligent design of life proves God exists were you lying or merely mistaken?



Oh so now you just prefer this hypothesis? But didn't you say that you had proven that materialism was unfounded?

Yes, yes I think you did

So when you said that were you lying or just mistaken?



So you have gone from PROVING it was God to simply personally thinking it is more likely to be God based on your own personal religious beliefs?

So when you said you had proved it was God were you lying? Or just getting a bit ahead of yourself?



So again you were lying/mistaken when you said you had proven it was God?

And you agree that your belief that it was God is not scientific but in fact based solely upon your own personal religious beliefs?

Clearly another one for the lie bucket wicknight, but just watch this space he will just ignore you now untill you stop mentioning his proof altogether.....he's done that to everyone here who is not willing to play ball on his terms

GO_Bear

On a unrelated note , I have yet to actually find this book anywhere , I actually do want to read it now.

Even if it will support bigotry!

But I must say I like these little chats, Ye are the kind of people I would love to have the Professor drunk heated revealing sessions with over a pint or ten.

keppler

GO_Bear wrote: »

On a unrelated note , I have yet to actually find this book anywhere , I actually do want to read it now.

Even if it will support bigotry!

But I must say I like these little chats, Ye are the kind of people I would love to have the Professor drunk heated revealing sessions with over a pint or ten.

the only place i could find it was on amazon...........out of pure principal id rather photocopy it...:eek:

robindch

GO_Bear wrote: »

I actually do want to read it now.

I wouldn't bother -- I have a copy and if you could imagine a book written by our excellent JC, but without the smilies, well, that's it.

Use the photocopy paper for making paper airplanes instead.

Galvasean

robindch wrote: »

Use the photocopy paper for making paper airplanes instead.

Paper Boeing 747s?

GO_Bear

robindch wrote: »

I wouldn't bother -- I have a copy and if you could imagine a book written by our excellent JC, but without the smilies, well, that's it.

Use the photocopy paper for making paper airplanes instead.

Is it just him, pointing out flaws in The Origin of the species ?

Improbable

GO_Bear wrote: »

Is it just him, pointing out flaws in The Origin of the species ?

No, it's him pointing out that he knows nothing about evolution and yet thinking that he's entitled to write a book about it.

Edit: Most of his arguments that I've seen on interviews on T.V. and radio shows has followed the format of "I don't have any education in evolution at all, but I don't think/see how the eye could have just evolved." Nothing I've seen has shown that any of it is more than an argument from personal ignorance which is of course no argument at all. In a radio interview with Dr. Stefano Mariani, a man who has devoted himself to the study of evolution and population biology, May came up with one of the most retarded statements I have ever heard from a creationist. He actually said, with no hint of a joking manner "What good is half a penis?"

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Don't forget those anti-wrinkly babies he likes to talk about!

Galvasean

Someone called Doc Savage thanked my post..
could it be? The man of bronze frequents A&A!?!?1? :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RL6FZj0GWo

robindch

GO_Bear wrote: »

Is it just him, pointing out flaws in The Origin of the species ?

Not at all. It's a very Joycean stream-of-consciousness grandfatherly rave about how amazing he finds the human condition, while delivering his cluelessness about it at book-length. You can flick through the book here:

http://www.theoriginofspeciousnonsense.com/book%20demo/bookdemo.html

Page 189 is fairly typical -- hopeless alliteration, appalling spelling, dreadful grammar and the kind of punctuation that I know I'm going to meet in hell:

John May wrote:

This process alone condemns evolutionists to the mental morass of obfuscatory obscurantism. [...] A careful examination of the blastosyst's surface reveals that almost every cell is unlike every other. Some have long projections, others short ones and some lack projections all together. This is called cell differentiation. Until about the eight-cell stage, all the cells look the same and serve exactly the same purpose. Now at this moment and point in embryonic time, life's true mystery happens! Its decision time and from this day on, from this blastocyst shall an embryo form, (21 days from conception!) From this shall develop a foetus! (around 63 days from conception!)

And so on for a couple of hundred pages.

GO_Bear

Improbable wrote: »

"What good is half a penis?"

Lol I keep asking myself that :O xD

Ok, I want to the the new Wheel of Time , which is out on Tuesday ? (can anyone confirm), after I will flick through it , I am a big fan of fantasy novels after all !

keppler

GO_Bear wrote: »

Lol I keep asking myself that :O xD

Ok, I want to the the new Wheel of Time , which is out on Tuesday ? (can anyone confirm), after I will flick through it , I am a big fan of fantasy novels after all !

just wondering gobear what makes you so curious about May's book? I mean from reading the free section it pretty much sounds like he's just copied most of it from Lennart Nilsson's book.
It's almost as if John May read a book and decided that he was going to write a book about the book he read lol

GO_Bear

keppler wrote: »

just wondering gobear what makes you so curious about May's book? I mean from reading the free section it pretty much sounds like he's just copied most of it from Lennart Nilsson's book.
It's almost as if John May read a book and decided that he was going to write a book about the book he read lol

Was thinking that if I read the book I could understand where he is comming from

keppler

GO_Bear wrote: »

Was thinking that if I read the book I could understand where he is comming from

if you watch his youtube vids you should get a pretty good idea of where he is coming from...... I love the way he call's them lectures:D

GO_Bear

keppler wrote: »

if you watch his youtube vids you should get a pretty good idea of where he is coming from...... I love the way he call's them lectures:D

Just when I taught I had heard all forms of the junkyard ****e , he pulls out the tennis balls

keppler

oh yes the tennis balls..... im particularly fond of the 'have you tried hanging from a tree' point of view....:rolleyes:

J C

keppler wrote: »

oh yes the tennis balls..... im particularly fond of the 'have you tried hanging from a tree' point of view....:rolleyes:

He is getting to you guys ... in spite of yourselves!!!

... rock on John J May!!!:)

GO_Bear

J C wrote: »

He is getting to you guys ... in spite of yourselves!!!

... rock on John J May!!!:)

Yes he is growing on me like thrush

Galvasean

GO_Bear wrote: »

Yes he is growing on me like thrush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMogMOjIH8M

Zombrex

J C wrote: »

He is getting to you guys ... in spite of yourselves!!!

... rock on John J May!!!:)

Any chance you could get around to answer my questions?

CiaranMT

Wicknight wrote: »

Any chance you could get around to answer my questions?

That'll be the day.

J C

Wicknight wrote: »

Any chance you could get around to answer my questions?

Any chance you would provide some evidence for Evolution ... and specifically the spontaneous generation of Complex Specific Functional Information ... for NS to select?

wrote:

Originally Posted by GO_Bear
Yes he is growing on me like thrush

... once you are emotionally involved ... you are learning from John May's lectures ... whether you like them ... or not!!!:)

Sam Vimes

J C wrote: »

Any chance you would provide some evidence for Evolution ... and specifically the spontaneous generation of Complex Specific Functional Information ... for NS to select?

Every time you say that I think of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xywqv1cDH8

GO_Bear

J C wrote: »

... once you are emotionally involved ... you are learning from John May's lectures ... whether you like them ... or not!!!:)

I honestly don't care how arrogent this sounds , but from what I have seen there is nothing he can teach me. From anyone who has every watched the Why Do People laugh at creationists vids by thunderf00t on youtube , an irish guy did why do people laugh at John J May. They are quite entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbt-b8cA2pw

Improbable

J C wrote: »

Any chance you would provide some evidence for Evolution ... and specifically the spontaneous generation of Complex Specific Functional Information ... for NS to select?


... once you are emotionally involved ... you are learning from John May's lectures ... whether you like them ... or not!!!:)

Firstly, you're still avoiding Wicknight's questions. Could you please stop doing so? The CSFI you go on about is some discredited nonsensical crap which Dembski came up with which is based on either deception or error, given how he is off by a factor of 10^65 in one of his equations in his book. Not to mention the fact that others have pointed out the ridiculousness of trying to assign random probabilities on the evolution of things like the eye or the bacterial flagellar motor when there is so little information on the numerous variables that would have to be taken into account. There is no reason to suppose that Dembski is right about any of it because of the enormous amount of inconsistencies in his theories.

In addition to Wicknight's questions, I want to ask you this:

Do you accept that mutations occur? If no, please explain why.

If yes, do you accept that these mutations can be constructive, neutral or destructive? If no, please explain why.

If yes, do you accept that the environment and other selective pressures can result in those organisms (which have the mutation which confers an advantage to the organism in terms of reproductive success) being able to reproduce better and thus pass on it's genes more than other members of the same species who don't have the mutation? If no, please explain why.

If yes, do you accept that over the timespan of millions upon millions of years over the course of evolutionary history that these accumulated changes in addition to the different environmental conditions encountered by certain populations can lead to natural selection "selecting" for different traits (mutations) in different areas? If no, please explain why.

If yes, do you accept that as this happens, members of what used to be the same species but are now of different populations (geographically separated) may meet and that they will be unable to reproduce because the genetic changes between them are too numerous for chromosomal matching to occur and produce a viable offpsring? If no, please explain why.

If yes, THIS IS EVOLUTION

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J C wrote: »

Any chance you would provide some evidence for Evolution ... and specifically the spontaneous generation of Complex Specific Functional Information ... for NS to select?

3rd time in this thread I've given you this link which you still haven't
spoken about, apart rom the first time where you said you were reading
it.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution

3rd time I've given this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX_WH1bq5HQ

and I already gave you links to part 2 and 3, you can get them when
they come up at the end of the video.

I believe this is called soapboxing, when you constantly repeat your
bs and then when given an answer ignore it only to repeat a few
days/weeks later. I'm still waiting for you to quote where I was lying,
you know - that thing you accused me of doing...
Needless to say we await your explanation for claiming there was not
one iota of difference in sponges for 600million years despite me
showing you pictures showing you as a liar. How do you sleep at night
knowing that there's so much dishonesty & trickery in you? Have you
ingrained it so deep that you trick yourself into not thinking about it?
This is the third time I've had to repeat things I've already mentioned
and referred to.

Also, "Complex Specific Functional Information", this is a meaningless
statement. It doesn't exist on the internet apart from on one page
http://www.google.ie/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&channel=s&q=%22Complex+Specific+Functional+Information%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Stephen Meyer, I see this is part of a deeper belief of yours. Your
aping the work of Stephen Meyer,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_in_the_Cell
This is the real perspective JC has been arguing from, fundamentally
it's part of the latest wave of pseudo-science JC has latched onto.
All of the other arguments have been debunked, I advise everyone
to keep an eye out for the similarities between his arguments and
those contained in this framework of lies and deceit.

GO_Bear

Oh , pulling his crap from the Discovery Institute.


Here is a person, at a debate with Stephen Meyer and running his crap into the ground !

But I must admit I am bias aganist Stephen Meyer because his name sounds an awful lot like Stephanie Meyer and I HATE TWILIGHT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MHAO4JE0G0

liamw

GO_Bear wrote: »

They are quite entertaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbt-b8cA2pw

LOL at the tennis ball analogy at 6:34

keppler

J C wrote: »

Any chance you would provide some evidence for Evolution ... and specifically the spontaneous generation of Complex Specific Functional Information ... for NS to select?


... once you are emotionally involved ... you are learning from John May's lectures ... whether you like them ... or not!!!:)

J C we have already explained to you time and time again the inner workings of evolution....but yet you, a 'scientist yourself', an expert in bio informatics apparently! still seem to struggle with the basics of evolution...:rolleyes:.......Jc how can we show you evidence for something that didnt happen in the first place?
Once again for the village idiot! The eye/brain/immunesystem/ flagellar and so on did not spontaneously pop into existence...... they are are the cumulative result of millions of years evolution by natural selection........Do you remember what natural selection is JC? I guess you dont saying as you couldnt even factor it into your joke proof......:pac: