Kolb Vs Vick

Dohnny Jepp

I have to say Vick was so impressive against the pack. I really think he deserves his chance as starter. The fans however seem to adore Kolb, so although he deserves it Vick may not get it.

Thoughts?

mikemac

Was almost going to start this thread myself
Vick was electric last night, the Mike Vick of old
Though I did see a pass through the endzone when it seems he could have run it in himself.

Concussions are serious business in the NFL these days and rightly so. Wouldn't be a shock to see Kolb sit for Week 2.

No reason Vick can't do similar at Ford Field for Week 2.
Even if he does though it would take more for Kolb to lose the starter job I believe

Tristram

Did himself no disservice anyway. Would imagine his performance turned a few heads. Feel sorry for Kolb, hope he doesnt have to sit because of injury.

HigginsJ

Vick looked class last night and will surely feature big time for them going forward. They are unlikely to drop Kold as starter after 1 week but the pressureis very much on him now. Bit like Matt Moore in Carolina.

Peyton Manning

I dunno, I reckon a lot of that was down to the Packers preparing for Kevin Kolb. They would not have expected to face Vick even a fraction as much as he featured, and were unprepared as a result. I reckon if teams know that it's Vick they'll be up against, they'll put in place a gameplan to stop him. Obviously he's talented, so it will be interesting to see. That pass to the endzone when he could easily have rushed was a very poor decision though.

Benimar

I'd agree with Archimedes. Vick is completely different to most other QB's and the Packers would have been planning to defend a pocket passer rather than a quasi-RB.

A team expecting Vick will play with a QB 'spy' and make Vick beat them through the air, something I have never believed he can do with any consistency.

Also, if they go with Vick they essentially 'destroy' Kolb, who is their future.

Dohnny Jepp

Benimar wrote: »

I'd agree with Archimedes. Vick is completely different to most other QB's and the Packers would have been planning to defend a pocket passer rather than a quasi-RB.

A team expecting Vick will play with a QB 'spy' and make Vick beat them through the air, something I have never believed he can do with any consistency.

Also, if they go with Vick they essentially 'destroy' Kolb, who is their future.

Just because they play one or even two spy's doenst mean vick wont be able to beat them on the ground. And vick threw well, he showed he can beat them in the air.

A LB playing a Spy role, is either less coverage on the TE or less pressure on the pocket.

I can see a lot of upside to vick even if teams are planning for him.

( still hate the prick though:P)

Benimar

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

Just because they play one or even two spy's doenst mean vick wont be able to beat them on the ground. And vick threw well, he showed he can beat them in the air.

A LB playing a Spy role, is either less coverage on the TE or less pressure on the pocket.

I can see a lot of upside to vick even if teams are planning for him.

( still hate the prick though:P)

I agree that, in theory, he could pass a team to victory, but I don't trust Vick to be an accurate enough passer over a full season. He did well last night, and will do so in some games, but he isn't to be relied upon to win through the air consistently. His career completion rate in the mid 50%'s is testament to that.

raven136

the thing is though,Vick looked incredible fast again last night.Really lost a lot of weight and looked really impressive.
A QB controversy in Philly,say it aint so:D

Stev_o

He was very average in the pre season though. Once a team shuts down his running lanes and forces him into passes he ll get picked off easily. He's a much nicer package off the bench to offer a different kind of threat. Incidental where were the Packers rated in run defence last year?

mikemac

I'm not sure if you already know the answer to your own question

2009 Green Bay Packers defense

Rushing 1st
Pass 5th
Overall 2nd

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

eagle eye

Stev_o wrote: »

He was very average in the pre season though. Once a team shuts down his running lanes and forces him into passes he ll get picked off easily. He's a much nicer package off the bench to offer a different kind of threat. Incidental where were the Packers rated in run defence last year?

So were the Patriots and look at them yesterday.

You can never go by the preseason when judging a player.

Syferus

I think it's a little too convenient to just count his sucess as being because the Packers defence wasn't prepared, a defense as verifiably good as their's shouldn't get caught regularly if it's just one-dimensional play no matter how they prepared. It's as likely to do with Vick genuinely being a more dynamic option at QB as it is anything else.

Given the Eagles gave Kolb a one year extension for next year and didn't commit to him long term, the starting job is something Vick does have a real shot at winning and the Eagle fans will soon forget about Kolb if Vick makes a few more impressive preformances.

As has been said, yesterday wasn't enough for a full-time switch but it does hint that a classic case of QB controversy may start to rumble in Philadelphia.

Pyjamarama

Lads i've been an Eagles fan for the last 15-16 years and tbh the idea of Vick starting instead of Kolb is laughable. Kolb has earned his chance and Vick was always overrated even before his "vacation".

He looked good against a Packers D that was not prepared for him. He made some awful throws and decisions last night. He's exciting and electric but he is not and never was a good QB.

Kolb is our future and he deserves a chance. Don't give in to the hype Vick is a backup. The one good thing is that he has some trade value and we might be able to move him before the deadline, provided we get some decent cover in... wonder what Koy Detmer is up to..?

Dohnny Jepp

Vick is far more proven than 3 game kolb. How many full games has he even played?


What Vick has done in his life is unforgivable, however on the field he has always been electric. I don't think he can be described as over-rated at all.

Pyjamarama

He's a conman! He makes some big plays but he cannot pass with any consitency. Kolbs performances in his starts last year were far superior to Vicks against the Packers! He made some AWFUL decisions yesterday.

We're not in a win now mode, we're a young team that is reloading with quality. We need Kolb to get the games he needs to see if he is the real deal. Vick is not the future. Starting him is a waste. we won't be winning the superbowl this season anyway so why start Vick? Kolb needs the game time and Vick is a showman not a QB.

Were you watching football back when he made his pro bowls with his big runs and awful QB ratings??? It showed what a joke the pro bowl was if proof was needed (which Jason Peters also proved last year, the fat waster!)

Syferus

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Lads i've been an Eagles fan for the last 15-16 years and tbh the idea of Vick starting instead of Kolb is laughable. Kolb has earned his chance and Vick was always overrated even before his "vacation".

He looked good against a Packers D that was not prepared for him. He made some awful throws and decisions last night. He's exciting and electric but he is not and never was a good QB.

Kolb is our future and he deserves a chance. Don't give in to the hype Vick is a backup. The one good thing is that he has some trade value and we might be able to move him before the deadline, provided we get some decent cover in... wonder what Koy Detmer is up to..?

Well, let's be blunt here - you're dead set against Vick so it's hard to even attempt to debate it semi-objectively.

He's a pro bowl QB who is way more proven than Kolb, who the Eagles have only very tentatively backed anyways - if Vick starts next week and puts in a good preformance this will fast become an open competition for the job.

And sorry to break it to you, but the Eagles aren't trading Vick anywhere.

Pyjamarama

Syferus wrote: »

Well, let's be blunt here - you're dead set against Vick so it's hard to even attempt to debate it semi-objectively.

He's a pro bowl QB who is way more proven than Kolb, who the Eagles have only very tentatively backed anyways - if Vick starts next week and puts in a good preformance this will fast become an open competition for the job.

And sorry to break it to you, but the Eagles aren't trading Vick anywhere!

Only tentatively backed?!?! Trading their franchise Qb for the last 10 years now counts as only tentatively backing him? Andy Reid is a huge Kevin Kolb fan, justified or not. I'm not here saying he's the next coming of Peyton Manning but he is the starter. They've invested far too much in him. Including a contract extension this summer! The same summer they attempted to find any takers for Vick.

You're saying i can't debate it, but there shouldn't be a debate. Anyone with any knowledge of how the Eagles are run will know that there is NO chance that Vick becomes starter. Andy Reid has always done things his way (much to my frustration much of the time!!) and Kolb is his guy. There won't be a QB competition in Philly this year. And people who got distracted by Vicks performance on Sunday should be more realistic.

You say he's more proven, well Marc Bulger was more proven than Sam Bradford, he was a pro bowl QB who had a decent game every once in a while, should the Rams just have stuck with him? Of course not, good franchises are always looking to the future.

Anyway Pro Bowls mean nothing, like i pointed out Jason Peterss made it last year and he's AWFUL!

eagle eye

Under Andy Reid the Eagles have been a powerhouse for a good number of years. Kolb is obviously up to the job or Donovan McNabb would never have been traded.

Michael Vick is talented but its a passing game now in the NFL and Vick is not suited to being a pocket passer. He is a very good backup to have because of his experience and the fact that you can throw wrinkles in your offense by putting him in for plays but he will never be the Eagles no.1 barring injury of course.

Syferus

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Only tentatively backed?!?! Trading their franchise Qb for the last 10 years now counts as only tentatively backing him? Andy Reid is a huge Kevin Kolb fan, justified or not. I'm not here saying he's the next coming of Peyton Manning but he is the starter. They've invested far too much in him. Including a contract extension this summer! The same summer they attempted to find any takers for Vick.

You're saying i can't debate it, but there shouldn't be a debate. Anyone with any knowledge of how the Eagles are run will know that there is NO chance that Vick becomes starter. Andy Reid has always done things his way (much to my frustration much of the time!!) and Kolb is his guy. There won't be a QB competition in Philly this year. And people who got distracted by Vicks performance on Sunday should be more realistic.

You say he's more proven, well Marc Bulger was more proven than Sam Bradford, he was a pro bowl QB who had a decent game every once in a while, should the Rams just have stuck with him? Of course not, good franchises are always looking to the future.

Anyway Pro Bowls mean nothing, like i pointed out Jason Peterss made it last year and he's AWFUL!

You're completely over-reacting..! I said it's hard for anyone to debate you on it because it's unlikely anything anyone says that positive about Vick will be met with anything besides a reason why that person is wrong - the simple fact is trying to convince you otherwise is a battle even Plato would probably lose. I'll still bite, for one more time.

The Eagles also traded McNabb to division rivals which says they think he's past his best enough that trading him in-division isn't going to bite them in the backside. Kolb only got a one year extension to his contract that was due to expire at the end of this season - they don't know if he's a franchise QB and if he can't out-muscle Vick in his performances then their caution will have been well founded.

You can't ignore the irony of the fact that Vick's presence was also a big factor in McNabb being traded - they were confident enough in him to have him be the sole back-up to an unproven starter in Kolb.

Kolb may turn out to be great, but it's luancy to think the door isn't now ajar for Vick to make a real case for being the starter at the Eagles or failing that, at another team next year.

seadnamac

Leonard Weaver and Jamaal Jackson out for the season might be more of a concern at the moment for Philly to be fair.

Vick did look good last night though...

cooker3

Archimedes wrote: »

I dunno, I reckon a lot of that was down to the Packers preparing for Kevin Kolb. They would not have expected to face Vick even a fraction as much as he featured, and were unprepared as a result. I reckon if teams know that it's Vick they'll be up against, they'll put in place a gameplan to stop him. Obviously he's talented, so it will be interesting to see. That pass to the endzone when he could easily have rushed was a very poor decision though.

Agreed and also needs to be mentioned that the Packers D was absolutely gassed in the 2nd half while Vick was coming in fresh which helped a lot.
It's 1 game, you don't drop your starting QB because of 1 bad game. Kolb is their starter, no doubt about it. The Phili fans maybe fickle but Andy Reid isn't.
Vick is a good number 2 to come in but he will never lead a team to the Superbowl.

johnmcdnl

Vick is exactly the kind of backup QB any team wants - because he's so different - He's probably the best rushing QB in the league so if you stick him on a few plays the opposition is going be stumped which is what happened against the Packers...

I haven't seen Kolb play at all yet so I can't pass judgement but if Andy Reid got rid of McNabb after 11 years and intended to use Kolb as QB that says something... Vick is a great back up but I don't think he's good enough to guide Philly to the playoffs as a starter..

and then add to the fact the Kolb will probably want out too if he's ditched which is really the last thing you want after gettin rid of McNabb and having to start to look for another starting QB

Kolb will be back by week 3 and will keep the starter spot unless he turns out to be useless altogether... And he'll probably be playing next week unless the doctors say otherwise

markdoggett25

Pyjamarama wrote: »

He makes some big plays but he cannot pass with any consitency.

Sounds like Donovan! it was very strange watching him in the redskins uniform the other night.

I agree that it is now the Kolb era. But while hes out which i think will be a couple of games, Vick is an amazing backup to have, he can open up defences. Though he is not totally suited to the Andy Reid West coast offence.

But it is his opportunity during the game(s) Kolb is out to take the job for this year. Hypothetically speaking, i mean if they were to win the next couple of games with Vick, with good completion rates it could be his.

It was so frustrating over the last few years watching McNabb be so hot and cold. We desperately need a consistent QB like a Schaub or Rodgers and i do beleive that will come with Kolb. This concussion is going to stop it before it starts with the Eagles being investigated for their handling of them recently.

tallaghtoutlaws

You want to win games and just that you will play Vick 100% of the time.

You want to win Championships you will grow a talented guy like Kolb who is a pure pocket passer and let him take the reigns by the scruff and win.

Having Vick as an option to Kolb for certain plays would be beneficial but Vick wont win you a Bowl. His passing is average at best and lets face it there is only so much scrambling Vick can do in any one game before he gets shut down or out gunned.

frostie500

NFL Network just announced that Vick will start on Sunday for the Eagles, this means he'll start in week 4 as well(cant see how they play Kolb on McNabb's return to the Linc)

Syferus

frostie500 wrote: »

NFL Network just announced that Vick will start on Sunday for the Eagles, this means he'll start in week 4 as well(cant see how they play Kolb on McNabb's return to the Linc)

I've defended Vick lately, but even I think it's at best a week-by-week situation. The Browns are another very average team and one that Vick should be able to produce another good preformance against. If that's the case Vick will be a shoe-in for the job in the McNabb Bowl (or whatever other inane name they attach to it). Don't count on either of them just yet, though!

I might have to hang onto Vick for at least another week on my fantasy team - I had him ready to dump and indeed he would have been if this hadn't been annouced before the wire claims went into effect!

I think the most telling part of this turnaround is that Reid said the decision to reverse yesterday's call that Kolb would start wasn't related to Kolb's health - no one can say Vick doesn't have a real chance to make the starting job his now.

cooker3

From what I gather, it is not a week by week thing. Reid has basically said Vick is his starting QB for the year now.

Syferus

cooker3 wrote: »

From what I gather, it is not a week by week thing. Reid has basically said Vick is his starting QB for the year now.

And who was it that he said was the starting QB in July, and indeed even yesterday? Bad preformance this weekend all bets are off. Again.

Dodge

Philly news

http://plixi.com/p/46478824

Made me laugh

raven136

its a tough situation for Reid.Kolb has looked poor in the preseason and the beginning of the game 1 but thats nothing to really judge on.But when Vick came in he looked better than he did at Atlanta,especially his passing accuracy and a lot of folks say thats down to serious work with reid and qb coach.
The philly fans being the kind they are,killed McNabb and if came in and beat them in 2 weeks then Yikes!
Whats wrong with getting a good couple of games out of Vick and sitting Kolb.Kolb has the long term big money deal and is the QB but right now doesnt Vick give them a better chance of winning?

Seems according to some reports the rest of the locker room love Vick and are delighted for him.

Benimar

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5604002

Could they really trade Kolb?!! Seems a bit crazy to me, he was their 'future' 10 days ago :eek:

ReacherCreature

Ah Christ, the Eagles can't be serious about even attempting to listen to trade enquires. Vick's started one game and played one - it's not guaranteed that he'll be this productive throughout. Kolb is and should be their future - given a shot at least.

raven136

Think this is a really good piece on the Vick/Kolb issue written by the excellent Jason Whitlock:

"Of course trading Donovan McNabb to a divisional rival to make way for the Kevin Kolb era was a huge mistake.


The solution to that error isn’t to ignore Michael Vick’s unexpected brilliant play, the shaky performance of Philadelphia’s offensive line and return Kolb to the starting lineup.


What you do is assess the new information and make the decision that gives your football team the best chance to win now and going forward.

This is Andy Reid’s finest moment. His critics come off as disingenuous and/or obtuse. We beg for powerful, prideful and wealthy men to demonstrate the courage to admit their mistakes and quickly correct them.

Late Tuesday afternoon, Reid did just that, acknowledging his intelligence might have overstated Kolb’s weapons of mass construction and recognizing Vick might finally be prepared to ascend to his QB destiny.


Reid hasn’t damaged the immediate or long-term future of the Philadelphia Eagles. He’s making a play to enhance both.

There’s a reason Vick was the No. 1 overall pick of the 2001 draft and Kolb was the 36th pick of the 2007 draft. Vick was supposed to be the next Steve Young, a left-handed Hall-of-Fame quarterback with the athleticism to play receiver. Kolb, with a little luck, was supposed to be a poor man’s Drew Brees.

The second coming of Steve Young is superior to a cheap Drew Brees knockoff, especially when your offensive line consistently fails to protect the quarterback.

Vick can be Philly’s starting quarterback for at least the next six years. He’s just 30, the same age Young was when he took over in San Francisco. Young won a Super Bowl and two MVP trophies during his eight-year reign in the Bay.



Look, I’m no huge Michael Vick fan. I trashed him pretty much the entire time he played in Atlanta. He reminded me of Allen Iverson, a great talent who lacked the discipline, character and professionalism to be a big-time winner. I repeatedly pointed out that Vick’s black sycophants/enablers were the main reason he failed to mature. Hell, just a couple of months ago, I wrote this column bashing Vick for hosting a “white linen” party that ended in gunfire.

But I’m not going to deny the kid is balling out of control right now. I’m happy he’s finally living up to his potential. And I pray that prison, a year learning under McNabb, mentoring from Tony Dungy and the amazing demonstration of faith Reid and the Eagles organization just showered on Vick help the QB properly handle this success.

I’m like Andy Reid. I’m willing to adjust to new information.

Vick did hard time, lost a fortune and destroyed his reputation for his involvement in a dogfighting ring. That debt is paid. We have to be open minded and let the new Michael Vick emerge.

I absolutely love what I’m seeing on the football field.

“His accelerated play was brilliant,” Reid told reporters in Philadelphia Tuesday. “This is what I think is right. He’s back and maybe even a little better.”

Hell yes, he’s better. He’s more focused. He has more weapons than he ever had in Atlanta. DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Brent Celek and LeSean McCoy are all in-their-prime playmakers.

What I love most about Vick 2.0 is the humility he’s shown throughout this process. After he backed up his marvelous second-half play against the Packers with a fabulous performance against the Lions, Vick stated he had no problem turning the team back over to Kolb. When Reid flip-flopped Tuesday, Vick told ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio that he felt “humbled.”

This is potentially a phenomenal story about the kind of redemption that is possible in America. The story is about the possibilities that lie ahead, not what transpired in the past.

McNabb is still my favorite current player. I’m still not happy the Eagles jettisoned him shortly after they acquired a group of skill position players who could complement McNabb’s abilities.

I began this season hoping Kolb would fail, Vick would be a disaster and Reid would get bounced on his ample ass.

I’ve changed my mind. This is a better story.

An organization with a reputation for cheapness and stubbornness gave Kolb $10.5 million in guaranteed money, committed to Kolb throughout the offseason and reacted properly when presented a set of new facts.

Reid is my new favorite football coach, and I hope the Eagles reach the Super Bowl."

cooker3

I disagree with pretty much all of that article. Vick didn't have the arm and never will have the arm to win a championship imo. He is 30 so the main feature which makes him stand out, his pace, is going to diminish so not a chance in hell he is their main QB for 6 years.

I think dropping Kolb, because of 1 bad half is madness. If you go by that logic Belichick should drop Brady after the 2nd half vs the Jets.

As far as I am concerned what he is doing is very damaging mid-long term to the Eagles. He is desperately trying to save his job and, consequently, sacrificing any chance Kolb has of being the multi-season QB for the Eagles just so he gets another year in the job. Kolb's confidence must be absolutely shot now.

Syferus

I'd guess that depending on the preformance of Vick being consistent enough to take the Eagles to the play-offs - taking the still in the air idea that he'll be the starter at the end of the season for granted - that the Eagles would want to keep both of them, at least for next year unless someone loves Kolb and is willing to give something huge in return for him.

Who knows, they may end up franchising Vick and trading him next year, alá Cassel a couple of years back.

Stev_o

Reid's kicked himself up the ass though coming out to the media and changing his words around to say that Vick is the number one. Paints him in a bad light for the public and fans mean really can people take his word now? He should of left this whole discussion behind closed doors imo.

Dohnny Jepp

cooker3 wrote: »

I disagree with pretty much all of that article. Vick didn't have the arm and never will have the arm to win a championship imo. He is 30 so the main feature which makes him stand out, his pace, is going to diminish so not a chance in hell he is their main QB for 6 years.

I think dropping Kolb, because of 1 bad half is madness. If you go by that logic Belichick should drop Brady after the 2nd half vs the Jets.

As far as I am concerned what he is doing is very damaging mid-long term to the Eagles. He is desperately trying to save his job and, consequently, sacrificing any chance Kolb has of being the multi-season QB for the Eagles just so he gets another year in the job. Kolb's confidence must be absolutely shot now.

Because Kolb has shown so much potential? It's one thing looking good at training, but another to be good in matches. Kolb aint ever been good in maches, so how can he be considered the future.

frostie500

I really dont know what to think about this anymore, in the summer I was excited by Kolb and the faith the team had in him. But after I rewatched Vick's second half against the Packer and the Lions game I have to say Vick looked terrific.

When you see him performing miracles in the pocket(there is no other word for the way he consistently kept plays alive) its impossible not to think that the Eagles need to keep playing him. Vick is a better football player than Kolb right now and the Eagles need to evaluate him and see which of them is the future leader of the team. Kolb got a new deal but it only has two years to run so we're not married to the guy just yet.

Vick on the other hand has only a year left and to be honest if he keeps playing like he has, and putting in the effort in film study and practice, he could be an unbelievable player for us. Its worth remembering that when he led the Falcons to an NFC title game in 04 everyone thought he could get teams to that level consistently(thats why he was the number 1 overall as well). From that point on obviously his career went off the rails but he has all the physical attribues-speed, elusivness and a rocket arm-top succeed in the NFL if he continues to put in 100% effort to the Eagles. He knows this is his last chance and the Eagles know he gives them the best chance to win. Vick is the starter until he starts making a mess of things

tallaghtoutlaws

Look guys this is simple. Andy Reid is stuck between a rock and a hard place. The only reason Vick has the starting spot is because recent performance and the fact the fans love him for some daft reason. Reid knows he is on borrowed time and starting Vick is giving him a longer rope to hang himself with.

Reid unfortunately has fallen into the trap of pleasing those who will try to get him pushed out if he fails with Kolb. Now don't get me wrong Vick adds something to that team but as far as I am concerned as is many others Vick will never get that Bowl. Starting both of them in a system that allows it would have been better.

tallaghtoutlaws

frostie500 wrote: »

I really dont know what to think about this anymore, in the summer I was excited by Kolb and the faith the team had in him. But after I rewatched Vick's second half against the Packer and the Lions game I have to say Vick looked terrific.

I have to admit he did but when you are fighting to hold down your spot or be the starter you will either raise your game or sh1t the bed and Vick raised his game and gave Philly fans a performance worthy of starting. Watch what happens when Vick has bad performances. Feel Bad for Kolb and Vick in fact as Philly will show either of them any mercy if they fail.

Peyton Manning

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Feel Bad for Kolb and Vick in fact as Philly will show either of them any mercy if they fail.

I know what you're saying, but personally I could never feel bad for that scumbag. I hope absolutely everythat that could go wrong does go wrong for him.

Syferus

Archimedes wrote: »

I know what you're saying, but personally I could never feel bad for that scumbag. I hope absolutely everythat that could go wrong does go wrong for him.

I absolutely detest what he was involved in with a passion that few would understand, but your attitude is simliarly pathetic.

ReacherCreature

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

Because Kolb has shown so much potential? It's one thing looking good at training, but another to be good in matches. Kolb aint ever been good in maches, so how can he be considered the future.

He's played just 13 times and started twice, you're being unfair. He hasn't a chance to show off what he's like fully. I say (when he's healthy) throw him in and get him experience. If going by what you say, Peyton Manning would be throwing balls in the Arena League by this stage instead of possessing HOF career.

People are being too harsh on Kolb.

Peyton Manning

Syferus wrote: »

I absolutely detest what he was involved in with a passion that few would understand, but your attitude is simliarly pathetic.

Tell you what, why don't you keep your opinion about my attitude to yourself and discuss the topic at hand.

Fact of the matter is, Vick was given a golden opportunity in the NFL. He was a poster boy, the highest paid amongst his peers, and he blew it doing something highly despicable for a few dollars more. Now I'm all for rehabilitation, so great, he served his time and was released. I have no problem with that, but it was an absolute joke for Goodell to reinstate him to the NFL. He let every owner, athlete and fan of the NFL down, and should not be allowed near a professional football field under the NFL umbrella again.

Syferus

Archimedes wrote: »

Tell you what, why don't you keep your opinion about my attitude to yourself and discuss the topic at hand.

I will if you will keep your feelings about wishing utter failure on someone to yourself and not veer hard left away from the topic.

Otherwise, sir, not a chance.

Peyton Manning

Syferus wrote: »

I will if you will. Otherwise, sir, not a chance.

Top notch reply there, son.

tallaghtoutlaws

Syferus wrote: »

I will if you will. Otherwise, sir, not a chance.

Out of curiosity where did archie give his opinion on your attitude?

Syferus

You guys.

davyjose

Archimedes wrote: »

Tell you what, why don't you keep your opinion about my attitude to yourself and discuss the topic at hand.

Fact of the matter is, Vick was given a golden opportunity in the NFL. He was a poster boy, the highest paid amongst his peers, and he blew it doing something highly despicable for a few dollars more. Now I'm all for rehabilitation, so great, he served his time and was released. I have no problem with that, but it was an absolute joke for Goodell to reinstate him to the NFL. He let every owner, athlete and fan of the NFL down, and should not be allowed near a professional football field under the NFL umbrella again.

The guy is entitled to earn a living though, Archie. If you're all for time served, and rehabilitation, then surely he should be given a shot?

I can see why you want the guy to fail and I totally get that, but he has every right to play in the NFL. Should the guy live on the streets?

tallaghtoutlaws

Syferus wrote: »

You guys.

Do you know Michael Vick personally that you would jump to his defense and attack Archie's opinion? I failing to see your reasoning behind your first post before the edit in fact both posts.

Michael Vick is the topic at hand here as is Kolb so if either QBs character comes into question it is on topic really. And lets not forget Vick chose to put himself in public eye so us questioning his character is fair game. After all he is a convicted criminal.