Bookmakers Bitch/Moan/Groan thread - See mod warning Post 1!

zimmermania

Mongfinder General wrote: »

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Eh duh.


If a book for a particular race is moving against the bookie and a 2-1 winner with a promise to pay 4-1 isn't helping, be sure that the bookie is going do their best to shift those odds from 2-1 to 15-8 or 11-5. You will lose your boll0x big style in the long term.

I do not suggest this is a guaranteed method of winning on dog racing,however it is highly unlikely that pp are trying to ensure dogs do not have a 2/1 sp and it would be practically impossible to manipulate the market to that exent and finally you provide no evidence that one would lose ones you know what.The deal applies to particular meetings and punters who play the system craftily are practically guaranteed to be on a 2/1 chance at 4s albeit at small enough stakes(€25 or €50)

okidoki987

The method I am talking about means putting the bet on after the bell goes.

I think it would be a late bet as most bookies take the bell as the signal for
no more bets on the dogs?

It is hard to imagine PP REPS forcing down the odds at BAGS meetings all over Britain.2/1dogs are fancied anyway and if dog punters only back 2/1 chances it does increase the chance of winning.

Couldn't see them forcing prices up/down every time there's a 2/1 shot. Have a look at the Betfair prices at the same time as a race goes off and you will notice the dogs are nearly always higher although with little or no liquidity.

The 1st and 2nd traps adding up to 7 can not be manipulated and just gives punters a better chance.

And it will always apply (bar non runners) in every race against a 2/1 SP which doesn't happen in every race.

curehead

you'd imagine its all locked into their margin so they just want to take money on these bets all day. the results are irrelevant.
shops are packed to rafters with mugs trying to find an edge versus top class number crunchers who graduated college with top maths degrees.

mrmorgan

guys, dog races is worse to bet on than horse racing, with margins sometimes up to 130%, should really stay away from them

fuzzydunlop85

mrmorgan wrote: »

guys, dog races is worse to bet on than horse racing, with margins sometimes up to 130%, should really stay away from them

Interesting , how do you work out the margins ?

mrmorgan

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Interesting , how do you work out the margins ?

divide the decimal into 100 and then add it all up

so 3/1 (100/4.0) = 25%

Seanb96cbc

Ok well I won a bet on paddy power and attempted to withdraw it. I was prompted that I need to be verified first. Upon trying to verify my account I was told I had broken one of the their terms and conditions because of a tiny irrelevant discrepancy. I lost 125 euro in free bets (livid is an understatement) and that my account would be locked. However my cash winnings would be returned to my paypal. Numerous attempts at this over a couple of days from the live chat and phone line help people resulted in me still not having my money. I was informed the 'payments team' would sort it out. They emailed me saying it was bouncing and paypal were not accepting it. So I rang paypal and they said that my account was 100 percent set up to receive payments and there was no reason why my account shouldn't be getting the money. A couple more times of ringing paddy power, ringing paypal followed until I finally got a decent person on the paddy power phone line who set up a new account in accordance with her manager for my funds to be transferred over into and so I could access my account and withdraw through a different means. To withdraw it however I had to verify this account... I know! While verifying this account with the live help people I was told by a manager that this wasn't the right thing to do and the funds would be transferred back to my old, locked, apparently broken account as they could only sent me money through the payment system I set up with. I was not told at all how long it would take to resolve this issue or if it was even resolvable! This problem is clearly not my fault and I am the one who not getting my money. I was told it'd be 'told about any updates'! These updates could be weeks, months away. Are they withholding my money form me? Is there anything I can do? I know 50 euro isn't a huge sum of money but being and 18 year old student it is big enough for me. It's also mainly out of principle that I want it back as they have already taken 125 euro in free bets away from me so I'm not giving this up without a fight. Any help would be greatly appreciated. And if you got to the end of this you're a champ in my books. Thanks in advance

thesandeman

What was the 'tiny irrelevant discrepancy'?

Guffy

I placed a 60 euro bet on odds of 4/6 and as a result would expect to return 100 euro. This was in their sportsbook. After placing the bet I noticed they were only going to return 99.60. Now I know that this is only 40 cent but has it happened to anyone else? I went into chat and the response was, 'im sure we can credit a few extra cents for you'.

Again I know its only 40 cent but that's not the point. How many bets has this happened on that I didn't notice? How many other people has it affected or was it just this one bet this one time? If so was it market wide or specific to my account?

Seanb96cbc

thesandeman wrote: »

What was the 'tiny irrelevant discrepancy'?

I had given a different email address to the one that I set up my account with. I was reassured that this is not a problem as to why I'm not getting my money back but it is against their terms and conditions meaning they have the right to shut my account. Cheers for the reply

okidoki987

I would tell them it was a work address and you didn't think when setting it up.
How did you get €125 in Free Bets?
You could go into a shop and withdraw the cash there if the account is verified.

okidoki987

I placed a 60 euro bet on odds of 4/6 and as a result would expect to return 100 euro. This was in their sportsbook. After placing the bet I noticed they were only going to return 99.60. Now I know that this is only 40 cent but has it happened to anyone else? I went into chat and the response was, 'im sure we can credit a few extra cents for you'.

Again I know its only 40 cent but that's not the point. How many bets has this happened on that I didn't notice? How many other people has it affected or was it just this one bet this one time? If so was it market wide or specific to my account?

€40 at 4/6 should return €100 so what did they say the reason for the shortfall was?

Guffy

Just said it was a problem with the market and refunded the 40 cent.

walshyn93

I've just been shafted out of €546 by Coral. I made a thread about it already but just thought I'd let you know that they change their settlement policy at will and if they make an honest mistake they're too stubborn to correct it. If anyone wants more info or solid proof I'll provide it. I made two winning bets but they keep citing a rule that doesn't even apply to the market I bet on to justify not paying out. Every response is the exact same too. Reported them to IBAS already.

ianburke

gufc21 wrote: »

I placed a 60 euro bet on odds of 4/6 and as a result would expect to return 100 euro. This was in their sportsbook. After placing the bet I noticed they were only going to return 99.60. Now I know that this is only 40 cent but has it happened to anyone else? I went into chat and the response was, 'im sure we can credit a few extra cents for you'.

Again I know its only 40 cent but that's not the point. How many bets has this happened on that I didn't notice? How many other people has it affected or was it just this one bet this one time? If so was it market wide or specific to my account?

always happens me too. ill place a bet at evens say 5 euro returns will say 9.95 or something..but they always pay out the correct amount 10 euro etc

ianburke

walshyn93 wrote: »

I've just been shafted out of €546 by Coral. I made a thread about it already but just thought I'd let you know that they change their settlement policy at will and if they make an honest mistake they're too stubborn to correct it. If anyone wants more info or solid proof I'll provide it. I made two winning bets but they keep citing a rule that doesn't even apply to the market I bet on to justify not paying out. Every response is the exact same too. Reported them to IBAS already.

u will be paid dont worry. its just annoying to have to go through the nonsense. ur bet is a clear cut winner..its just u may have to wait another week or two to be paid...they do this a lot

Chancer3001

Skybet won't allow accumulator bets on the royal rumble. Singles only.

Dicks

shmeee

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Skybet won't allow accumulator bets on the royal rumble. Singles only.

Dicks

Wasn't that always the case even when Powers done it?

How would you expect them to let you accum them with they are fixed results?

Chancer3001

Paddy power offer accumulators

So just do whatever they do.

ManOnFire

Would anyone know why paddy power has put limits on my online betting? have the account with years but about a week ago it started and its getting frustrating. For example i wanted to back a horse today and couldn't put more than 51 euro on it, its not just the horses every other sport i try and its the same story

Mongfinder General

ManOnFire wrote: »

Would anyone know why paddy power has put limits on my online betting? have the account with years but about a week ago it started and its getting frustrating. For example i wanted to back a horse today and couldn't put more than 51 euro on it, its not just the horses every other sport i try and its the same story

You're winning. They don't like that.

walshyn93

ManOnFire wrote: »

Would anyone know why paddy power has put limits on my online betting? have the account with years but about a week ago it started and its getting frustrating. For example i wanted to back a horse today and couldn't put more than 51 euro on it, its not just the horses every other sport i try and its the same story

You think that's bad? The max I can put on a horse at 4/1 right now is €3.34. And I only really bet on horses once or twice a year anyway.

ArtyC

walshyn93 wrote: »

You think that's bad? The max I can put on a horse at 4/1 right now is €3.34. And I only really bet on horses once or twice a year anyway.

call their customer services and see what they say

S23

I don't know if this is the place to put this but I'm getting to the stage where I want to lodge a complaint against the people in my local ladbrokes.

I've had a good run of form lately and have had to take back winning slips on a regular basis. Every single time I've gone to collect they've tried to short change me. It's beyond a joke at this stage.

This afternoon I was in to collect on 6/1 & 4/1 as I'd had a tenner on both. I handed over the two slips and your woman hands me back €70. I told her I gave her two slips.

"The second one didn't win" she tells me. I assured her it did. I asked her to have a look at the slip again. She said she didn't know where she put it. Anyway, long story short, after arguing long enough I got my money.

This happens all the time in there. I know mistakes happen but the last 8 times I've been in to the shop they've tried to give me a considerable chunk less than I've actually won back.

What's the process for complaining about this as I've a pain in my arse with it.

Gavster1982

I'd take a snap of any bets which win on my phone. Try to do it standing in the bookies at the counter.

I had the same issue and I produced the picture. They paid out immediately.


It's a staffing issue, not a comany one. They should be removed

walshyn93

ArtyC wrote: »

call their customer services and see what they say

Ah I'm not worried I have a lot of accounts with different books. They did say I could dial-a-bet and possibly bet more though.

kenmccarthy

Always cash in winning slips individually!!!!!!!
Lesson learnt the hard way!!!!!!!!

shmeee

S23 wrote: »

I don't know if this is the place to put this but I'm getting to the stage where I want to lodge a complaint against the people in my local ladbrokes.

I've had a good run of form lately and have had to take back winning slips on a regular basis. Every single time I've gone to collect they've tried to short change me. It's beyond a joke at this stage.

This afternoon I was in to collect on 6/1 & 4/1 as I'd had a tenner on both. I handed over the two slips and your woman hands me back €70. I told her I gave her two slips.

"The second one didn't win" she tells me. I assured her it did. I asked her to have a look at the slip again. She said she didn't know where she put it. Anyway, long story short, after arguing long enough I got my money.

This happens all the time in there. I know mistakes happen but the last 8 times I've been in to the shop they've tried to give me a considerable chunk less than I've actually won back.

What's the process for complaining about this as I've a pain in my arse with it.

LADBROKES?

kenmccarthy

Op mentioned ladbrokes in his post
thankfully we got boylesports also in town.
Never ever going to ladbrokes again

shmeee

kenmccarthy wrote: »

Op mentioned ladbrokes in his post
thankfully we got boylesports also in town.
Never ever going to ladbrokes again

Completely missed ladbrokes in the post. Often at that carry on, handing bets in individually and calculating returns yourself beforehand help towards preventing this in all bookies.

kenmccarthy

Had a right good afternoon on st Stephens day in ladbrokes-added winnings in my head to
€422.50, handed in 9 slips to be handed €396.......so I asked her to check again...two seconfs later got€26.5 / no questions!!!!!!!!!!!

byronbay2

Gavster1982 wrote: »

I'd take a snap of any bets which win on my phone. Try to do it standing in the bookies at the counter.

I had the same issue and I produced the picture. They paid out immediately.


It's a staffing issue, not a comany one. They should be removed

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TrueDub

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Harry Palmr

How bad is the Paddy Power live betting page? They must think everyone is on 50 mb connections and using a phone. Utterly unusable for me.

ianburke

Harry Palmr wrote: »

How bad is the Paddy Power live betting page? They must think everyone is on 50 mb connections and using a phone. Utterly unusable for me.

wow thats weird...i just came on to say the same thing. ive never seen a worse change to a site in years. its impossible to navigate. and when you select a bet it delays further by asking to add it to the betslip.

its like they asked a toddler to make changes to the site. thank fck im limited to peanuts anyways so dont use it much anymore. just went on there to check it out after id backed munich earlier. it appears they have a new scoreboard with info etc..but at what cost. would nearly need a map to locate a specific market.

its got to now be the worst live betting site out there..i have the fastest broadband and pc so its not a problem on my part...every other site works perfect. they should just copy the bet365 because that live betting site would put them to shame.....even looking at the live betting now they have the wrong scores(not updated) and wrong markets etc team to score the 3rd when 3rd was scored 10mins ago...absolute mess of a site

shmeee

ianburke wrote: »

wow thats weird...i just came on to say the same thing. ive never seen a worse change to a site in years. its impossible to navigate. and when you select a bet it delays further by asking to add it to the betslip.

its like they asked a toddler to make changes to the site. thank fck im limited to peanuts anyways so dont use it much anymore. just went on there to check it out after id backed munich earlier. it appears they have a new scoreboard with info etc..but at what cost. would nearly need a map to locate a specific market.

its got to now be the worst live betting site out there..i have the fastest broadband and pc so its not a problem on my part...every other site works perfect. they should just copy the bet365 because that live betting site would put them to shame.....even looking at the live betting now they have the wrong scores(not updated) and wrong markets etc team to score the 3rd when 3rd was scored 10mins ago...absolute mess of a site

Jayus lads, was coming on to have a rant about the same thing.

Was trying to lay off a few quid tonight on the PP App in live betting on the Limerick v Waterford match, the app kept crashing, the roulette part kept opening for no reason, the score wouldn't update or the price's wouldn't change with the score.

Tried 3 times to place a bet and failed each time, I wasn't in the middle of the bog but connected to 100mb wireless broadband and still nothing.

****ing sick of it now, a few lads were saying it to me the past 2 weeks that the app is getting worse every day but I didn't notice as use bet365 mainly but powers for the live betting on GAA and so on mainly with the GAA season kicking in now.

Bet365 live betting section is how Powers should be. Never a problem and will load when your even in the middle of nowhere and running off poor coverage.

Paddy, you've got the fierce fancy "workwithpaddy" website, well use it to hire someone to sort the app out once and for all.

Harry Palmr

Right its good to know that people with power and speed are also suffering!

Seriously though its absolutely awful, from your reaction I take it the redesign is new - I've not been on live betting for weeks.

shmeee

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Right its good to know that people with power and speed are also suffering!

Seriously though its absolutely awful, from your reaction I take it the redesign is new - I've not been on live betting for weeks.

They seem to change it so often, every day a button or icon is moved, the desktop site is the worse I've seen in a long time.

You'd need a safe pass to place a live bet on it, stuff all over the shop and it makes no sense.

4068ac1elhodqr

Agree it is a bit sluggish, sometimes less is more (for visualisation of data). Prefer to bookmark the pre/non-live page (not always available) and add bets to betslip from that, it still picks up the price move but without all the fanfare and jumping around of live pages.

E.g. (specific) was looking for a golfer flying up on the leaderboard in one of the earlier rounds, there was no sign of him on the livebetting as round leader, only small range was available.

Ribena74

shmeee wrote: »

Jayus lads, was coming on to have a rant about the same thing.

Was trying to lay off a few quid tonight on the PP App in live betting on the Limerick v Waterford match, the app kept crashing, the roulette part kept opening for no reason, the score wouldn't update or the price's wouldn't change with the score.

This happens me too, I'd click on a team to add to my slip and out of nowhere roulette starts loading up.

thesandeman

The Messenger keeps asking me to log in every time I go to it even though I select 'keep me logged in for 24 hours'. Really annoying.

keysersoze0330

Does anyone get a freebet of PP any more? I used to get about 25/50 every 2 months or so. Now its just bull**it like bet 5euro for five bets and get a crappy 5euro free bet the next day. No big freebets anymore. Just wondering before i email them.

Ribena74

keysersoze0330 wrote: »

Does anyone get a freebet of PP any more? I used to get about 25/50 every 2 months or so. Now its just bull**it like bet 5euro for five bets and get a crappy 5euro free bet the next day. No big freebets anymore. Just wondering before i email them.

I get none anymore either well besides the €1 games bet which is fairly insulting to be honest about it.

ianburke

any1 that still gets freebets and even best odds guaranteed, money back specials, enhanced specials surely arent up in these books.

Howjoe1

Harry Palmr wrote: »

How bad is the Paddy Power live betting page? They must think everyone is on 50 mb connections and using a phone. Utterly unusable for me.

It's a complete and utter shambles tonight. Nearly everything locked out at the same time. Bet on a tennis match which I was watching and following on the stream, suddenly it disappears after the first set and can't be found.

Cash outs are a complete joke. Time to call time on it and go back to Bet365 and Betfair.

callaway92

keysersoze0330 wrote: »

Does anyone get a freebet of PP any more? I used to get about 25/50 every 2 months or so. Now its just bull**it like bet 5euro for five bets and get a crappy 5euro free bet the next day. No big freebets anymore. Just wondering before i email them.

Are you seriously going to complain to them that they don't give you "big" free bets?

Pathetic

4068ac1elhodqr

Indeed, the livebetting issues aside, am happy enough to accept even just a couple of euro every couple of weeks or even every month or two, after all it's more than I get anywhere else (it's also free). Got a 'once-off' free 5 from both boyles&Lads, but that's it so far. Just restrictions elsewhere. Haven't experienced any issues with Cash-outs, and an advantage to have as an option, rather than any type of customer disadvantage.

Ribena74

All that talk of Monaco has left us feeling a bit horse.

Rightly so, because we’re coming into Cheltenham with two weekends of **generous** offers to keep you entertained.

This week you can win a £/€2 free bet for Cheltenham in our random free bet draw. Simply opt in and play now.

Each time you wager £/€10 you’ll earn 1 ticket for our random free bet draw. We’re drawing 100 tickets so 100 players will win a free bet, that's loads of chances to win!

just seen this from paddy power.

NickMondo

I asked ladbrokes for odds on a few of this weekends fights last week, then again monday, tuesday, wed & today. About 14 fights on and they have priced up........1 so far

okidoki987

In Boyles doing a football treble yesterday.
To avoid any problems with the prices, took a picture of the screen on my phone.
Watched the prices for 20 mins (never moved) so wrote out the bet with the prices and placed bet.
Cashier took it and gave me the docket as written.
3 teams won so in I go to claim my winnings, cashier took docket and paid me.
or tried to pay me what the system was telling him it was.
Of course the prices were different to what I had put on the slip so the winnings were lower.
Showed the cashier the picture but wasn't having any of it, saying the prices in the system at the time of the bet were different.
After a long "discussion", I got paid what the bet should have been.
Put the same bet on in another bookies and prices were the same so it wasn't as if they were miles out.

Nobody else has different prices between what the screen is showing and what is in their system.
Yes coupon prices would be different but that's nothing to do with this as it was the screen prices that were "wrong".
This has happened about 5 times in the last 2 months!

Could anyone tell me why does this keep happening in Boyles and only Boyles and why are the prices never higher only always lower?