Saying 'No' to Internationalism

strobe

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

The weird, hybrid-culture of Marxist globalism that's swallowing up the West today. It's all things Obama -- the attitude of forced human homogenization. "We're all the same. Nothing distinguishes any of us from the rest. Don't believe in anything unique, exclusive, self-centered, original. Go with the Herd. Stay with the Herd. Be what the Herd wants you to be -- just another herd-animal. There is no God. There is no nation. There is no such thing as individualism. There is nothing but THE HERD." I say to Hell with the Herd. I'M A WESTERN CHRISTIAN AMERICAN, AND I'M DAMNED PROUD OF THAT FACT. I won't join the Herd.

Ohhhhh I get it. You're an anti-internationalist, nationalist, that refuses to be part of the herd but proclaims to belong to a set grouping of people that must act exactly the same as each other and prescribe to a specific and eternally unchanging set of rules?

It makes so much sense.....

ynotdu

starbelgrade wrote: »

Christ - we've had enough sh*t threads here the last few days without having the worst ones from other forums thrown in.

It's the 'silly season'
an absence of hard news!:)

Overheal

ynotdu wrote: »

It's the 'silly season'
an absence of hard news!:)

too hot to rob a 7-11 and schools not in session to knife the class bully

/knock on wood

We

y'all postin in a troll thread..

blaggard spoofers

Bloody Nipples

We wrote: »

y'all postin in a troll thread..

blaggard spoofers

The denizens of the US politics forum are... inexperienced...:p
Though personally I'm all for the lunatic threads from other forums being tossed to AH, I'd never have gotten to read all of the Pope's "wisdom" otherwise! Just disappointed at being late to the party

Herb Powell

Obvious troll is obvious

Helix

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

I say, 'no', to Internationalism. I say. 'hell no', to its every component

so get off this irish message board, you internationally based scoundrel!

sponsoredwalk

Someone who's location is Texas calling Obama a Marxist violently arguing for the virtues of Christian Western civilization, a novel occurence...

He isn’t forcing business to meet production quotas.
Those same businesses that aren’t forced to meet production quotas are also not run by the workers.
He has never called for a mass workers revolution.
Nor are the above three points ever going to happen.
Left wing, does not mean Marxist.
Government interference in some aspects of the economy, are not Marxist. The World is not as black and white as the right wing likes to make out. The choice isn’t Reagan, or Marx.
A Marxist would not put ex-bankers in his Treasury.
Actually, A Marxist wouldn’t have a treasury, because a Marxist wouldn’t be in power, because power wouldn’t exist.
Regulation on amoral industry to stop it becoming immoral industry, is not Marxist.
Keynes was not a Marxist.
Safety nets like Social Security, are not Marxist.
There is no democratic control of the means of production.
Wages exist.
Your State and National borders exist.
Government programs paid for by taxpayers are not Marxist because A) Money would be abolished under true Marxism, and Government wouldn’t exist under true Marxism, because Marxism is pretty close to what Bakunin and Kroptkin advocated.
Being black, and friends with Muslims, does not make him a Marxist terrorist who hates White people.
Nor does it make it so, if Glenn Beck says it.
Obama is President. Head of a Government. A Nation State. The very concept of a President, Government and State is anti-Marxist.
In fact, any kind of government regulation set by the State from Minimum wage to Medicare, runs contrary to Marxism, because it legitimises the State.
Trying to reach out to Muslim nations as opposed to bombing them back to the stone age, and then referring to the slaughter as “liberation”, does not make him a Marxist, nor a terrorist sympathiser.
No industry is Nationalised (unless you count the police force and fire department as industries, by most Right Winged Americans tend to over look those).
And before you say it, Healthcare in the U.S is not Nationalised.
Ask your local supermarket chain if they’re making a profit. If they are, then Marxism has not come to America.
Being Atheist, does not make one a Marxist. (Obama’s religious beliefs are irrelevant).
Obama has never tried to suggest that private property be abolished, that division caused by the free flow of capital is the root of all evil, and all means of productions be taken over by a workers revolution. Until he does, he in no way can be considered Marxist.
The Founding Fathers were neither Socialist nor neoliberalist proponents, because they did not know what Socialism and Neoliberalism were. Are you a proponent or exponent of Chrositographicness? You’re neither, because you don’t know what it is, neither do I, I just made it up. Similarly, the words Neoliberalism and Socialism would have made no sense to the Founders. Stop trying to manipulate their words to suit your agenda.
Higher taxes on the rich, does not mean Marxism. In fact, Marx never mentions the concept.
Just because Obama hung around with members of Socialist and Communist parties in his college days, does not mean he wishes to turn America into the USSA. It’s like saying, he was friends with a few posh British people, and so that clearly means he wishes to revoke independence and become a colony of the British again.
A society that uses welfare to further perpetuate the division between employer and employee, is not Marxist.
Obama is further to the right than Britain’s Liberal Democrats, who are centre-left. He is further right than the Swedes. Both the Lib Dems and the Swedes are not Marxists. The entire World other than crazed right winged Americans understand this. In fact, Swedish healthcare, EVIL MARXIST healthcare, ranks close to the top of the World rankings. America’s system, well, let’s just say it’s ****ing appalling. Swedish education, including higher education is free for all, and they still have a higher rate of social mobility than the U.S. EVIL MARXISTS!!!
George Orwell’s 1984 does not represent a Marxist style of government. It is an Authoritarian government, Stalinist, if you will. This is not Marxist. You do not have a telescreen in your house. You do not have a number assigned to you by the single ruling party. You do not have to work changing history for the government owned media, and your kids do not report you to the thoughtpolice who then do not go on to torture you into submission. Therefore, stop using the phrase “big brother society”, your scare tactics wont work.

Yes, certain rights like wire tapping are government intrusion into your freedom, and yes it’s wrong, as is spending a fortune on illegal wars.
Where was all this outrage when Bush was waging his war on the American people?
Illegal war resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents = good, healthcare for those less fortunate in life = bad?
Really?
If that’s the case…… if that’s what Americans truly believe……… then **** America

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sponsoredwalk

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

The story of the Klan is a minute piece of a much larger story. I'm not talking about the KKK, although I understand their motives and can relate.

:eek:

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

Only after we tear down the present order, and rebuild it in the image of Medieval Europe. Modernity has betrayed us.

:eek::eek:

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

I've lived most of them, for years. At 53, I reject them all, wholesale.

:eek::eek::eek:

General Zod

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

I say, 'no', to Internationalism. I say. 'hell no', to its every component. Today I start my crusade by condemning one such component-doctrine -- multi-culturalism.

Multi-culturalism is the death knell of Western Christian Civilization. Once the oppressive, thought-control regime of Political Correctness has declared war, in the name of multi-culturalism, European Christians instantly find themselves under attack. If they don't rally and resist, the death of their entire way of life is all but guaranteed.

That's precisely what's killing the West today. In America, for example, Liberal decadence produced the mendacious Obama Regime. Islamic-Sympathizer and Marxist Obama, in turn, is doing his level-best to cripple Western Christian America, such that it'll never recover. Despite the obvious nature of this struggle, millions of Euro-Americans, usually deluded by Marxist thought, support Obama, and have joined his quest to kill the Western Christian culture that built their country, from the ground up.

JUST SAY 'NO'

I'd vote twice for obama if it truely meant the end of Western Christian civilisation.

I'm singing the internationale as I type.

Wibbs

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

Like it or not, they're coming. As you know, European, the Dark Ages resulted from the downfall of Rome (aka: Civilization) in the West, in AD 476, with the final assault of barbarians. Enter Obama and his cult.............
As for you, European, enter Islam and Socialism......................

Eh problem with a fair few of the right wing is they have a very bad grasp of history. The left wing can fall into this trap too of course. Rome didnt fall entirely. The western part of the empire did, the eastern kicked on for many centuries after and did OK thanks very much. The "dark ages" weren't that dark either. Yet another misconception. This one is held by both the right and the left wing. The latter assume we were all living in caves and in Europe all you had were the Islamic states keeping the flame alight. Only vaguely correct. Islam did have a golden age(and funny enough was quite secular),but much of their stuff was coming from the Greeks/Byzantines. They did add a lot to it though. The rest of Europe was also doing OK. Not in the centralised Roman way but still doing well. When Rome fell and the Romans left their British colony there were no water mills. Two centuries later there were 1000's. There were sites of learning all over Europe moving forward. Not least on this island. If Europe had been so backward then the Islamic armies could have strolled straight in. But they couldnt and didnt. With the relatively shortlived exception of Andalus in Modern Spain. The European power structure and military training and diet was more than a match for the Arabian forces. Hence they both went back and forth for generations. Hardly likely if one side was in a dark age and the other in a golden age.

Herb Powell wrote: »

Obvious troll is obvious

Dont assume that at all. I have met similar thinkers in my life. Common enough, well not that common, but in the English speaking world quite common in some pockets of the US.

starbelgrade

I watched the International last night. Not a bad film.. not brilliant either, but Clive Owen is very watchable.

Pfft.

If you're a troll, then I'm not surprised.

If you're serious, I laugh at you.

If you're serious and reject the use of force, I laugh at your ideas. Especially the healthcare thing. I mean, really, if he can't pay for his health, he dies. Civilised? Come on.

If you're serious and are willing to use force against the "unenlightened", then bring it on buddy, the free world is waiting to kick you and your cavemen kind back to the medieval age, so we can get back to becoming human & civil to each other.

End.

ElaElaElano

ElaElaElano wrote: »

For anyone just joining us, here's a summary.

Jim Corr has joined boards, chaos ensues.

Regards,

Ela

Oh I really did LOL when I read this!

*wipes tear from eye*

sponsoredwalk

Wibbs wrote: »

The "dark ages" weren't that dark either. Yet another misconception.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Years%27_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death

The Black Death is estimated to have killed 30% to 60% of Europe's population, reducing the world's population from an estimated 450 million to between 350 and 375 million in 1400. This has been seen as creating a series of religious, social and economic upheavals which had profound effects on the course of European history. It took 150 years for Europe's population to recover. The plague returned at various times, resulting in a larger number of deaths, until it left Europe in the 19th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_the_Late_Middle_Ages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_of_1315-1317

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age#Dating_of_the_Little_Ice_Age

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_revolt_in_late_medieval_Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chivalry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism

Lets ignore the fact there was no electricity to light up anything though

Wibbs

Still not a dark age as far as technology and social change. Indeed even with the disasters, the black death was probably the best thing to happen to Europe at the time. It broke the back of feudalism and the control of the church and led to the enlightenment. In any case the black death was well into the late medieval period, not the earlier middle ages which contain the "dark ages".

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Dont assume that at all. I have met similar thinkers in my life. Common enough, well not that common, but in the English speaking world quite common in some pockets of the US.

Simple way to figure it out - IP trace by one of the admins. If its from Texas, its more likely to be non-trollish. If its from South County Dublin, its a safe bet he's taking the piss

TPD

I always wonder if the space colonisation dreams of the future will be possible without a one world government sort of thing. It'd be worth it I reckon, if we can stop bickering on this planet.

Sanjuro

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

I say to Hell with the Herd. I'M A WESTERN CHRISTIAN AMERICAN, AND I'M DAMNED PROUD OF THAT FACT. I won't join the Herd.

I think you left out the word 'white' there.

sponsoredwalk

Reasons for the Decline of Feudalism
The reasons for the decline of Feudalism during the Medieval period of the Middle Ages included:

• The Crusades and travel during the Middle Ages opened new trade options to England
• England started to move from land based economy to a money based economy
• The Black Death - this reduced the population of England by one third. Labour became a valuable commodity
• The Peasants Revolt - Peasants realised their worth and demanded changes. Charters were granted but ignored by nobles
• More trade saw the growth of more towns
• Peasants moved away from the country into towns they were eventually allowed to buy their freedom
• Land was rented and the rights of lords over labour decreased
• The Feudal Levy was unpopular and as time went by Nobles preferred to pay the King rather than to fight and raise troops
• Armed men were paid a wage and Medieval warfare was financed by taxes and loans
• Nobles became weaker - the Kings took back their lands and power
• A centralised government was established

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The death of nearly half of the continent was only one aspect of the end of Feudalism & I can't subscribe to the idea that it was a good thing.
If it takes the death of nearly half the continent to convince us of the foolishness of religion it's a sad moment in humanity,
because physics, biology, psychology, astronomy & chemistry do it so much better

If you're referring to the dark ages as strictly the time in which the church promoted it's interests & held the majority of power over people's lives
most of that still stands and definitely the black death stuff, i.e. around the time of Giovanni Boccaccio as that's when it was @ it's worst.
I do agree that it led to a lot of religious questioning/contempt.


Btw, this guy is really freaky :eek:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_doctor#Other_effects
http://www.flickr.com/photos/batgrl/galleries/72157622435907426/

ScumLord

Our cultures are a direct result of our environment on top of other factors. You'll never come to the stage where every person on the planet will relate to the same culture, the environment is forever changing and we will always adapt to any changes, there's absolutely no stopping that. Unless you want us all to go Mormon in our own particular preferred time period and never interact with any other people outside of our local groups because just talking to another person, or even reading or looking at them will begin culture transfer.

squod

http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/010hrse7.jpg

03.08.2010, Nigeria | Local Islamic police yesterday destroyed several trucks with bottles of beer to enforce a ban on alcohol sharia in the northern state of Kano.

There's people out there wasting beer! Maybe the OP has a point. No beer wasting here I say.

fontanalis

But christianity is international!

Bob the Seducer

I'm torn, Pope Urban II says no but the man from Del Monte says yes!

Think I'll go with the man from Del Monte, snappier dresser. :cool:

Rented Mule

PopeUrbanII wrote: »

"I embrace 'progress', as defined by others, only to be invaded by foreigners, who hate my God and my race, take over, and enforce their brutal, ignorant will through thought-controlling police, who smile, as they kill me, kidnap my children, and steal my property. I've been duped."

-- Bewildered Western Christian, in the present age

[sarcasm/]...and we all know that Christians have never been know for any of those things. [sarcasm\]

Wibbs

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

Reasons for the Decline of Feudalism
The reasons for the decline of Feudalism during the Medieval period of the Middle Ages included:

• The Crusades and travel during the Middle Ages opened new trade options to England
• England started to move from land based economy to a money based economy
• The Black Death - this reduced the population of England by one third. Labour became a valuable commodity
• The Peasants Revolt - Peasants realised their worth and demanded changes. Charters were granted but ignored by nobles
• More trade saw the growth of more towns
• Peasants moved away from the country into towns they were eventually allowed to buy their freedom
• Land was rented and the rights of lords over labour decreased
• The Feudal Levy was unpopular and as time went by Nobles preferred to pay the King rather than to fight and raise troops
• Armed men were paid a wage and Medieval warfare was financed by taxes and loans
• Nobles became weaker - the Kings took back their lands and power
• A centralised government was established

link

The death of nearly half of the continent was only one aspect of the end of Feudalism

It was one of the biggest by far. Your quote in brown is talking about England, which while it mirrored changes in Europe as an island it had a different set of influences. Even so a goodly proportion of that list was down to the population shifting in the face of successive plagues.

& I can't subscribe to the idea that it was a good thing.

It was a personal tragedy for millions, but for the progress of humanity it was a very good thing.

If it takes the death of nearly half the continent to convince us of the foolishness of religion it's a sad moment in humanity,
because physics, biology, psychology, astronomy & chemistry do it so much better

I think you're being way too subjective. You can say that now because its the 21st century and with all the received knowledge that entails at your disposal. If you had been alive in the 10 century there's an overwhelming chance you would have been huddled in the church pew, decrying the new as ungodly and in thrall to the clergy. It would have taken a real kick in the breeches to get you to think "eh hang on?"

If you're referring to the dark ages as strictly the time in which the church promoted it's interests & held the majority of power over people's lives
most of that still stands

No I'm referring to the early medieval period after the fall of the western Roman empire. Broadly speaking from the 5th century to the first millennium. The time usually described as the dark ages.

and definitely the black death stuff, i.e. around the time of Giovanni Boccaccio as that's when it was @ it's worst.

Again the series of plagues(not just bubonic plague either) that struck europe wave after wave year after year was later than the period commonly referred to as the dark ages. Giovanni bocaccio was an early rennaissance writer of the 14th century. Different time entirely. Like comparing us to 18th century.

I do agree that it led to a lot of religious questioning/contempt.

In a big way yea.

brianthebard

Wibbs wrote: »

Still not a dark age as far as technology and social change. Indeed even with the disasters, the black death was probably the best thing to happen to Europe at the time. It broke the back of feudalism and the control of the church and led to the enlightenment.

Um, you missed a fair chunk of history between those two 'happenings'.

Wibbs

Broad strokes hed, broad strokes. Some seem to think the dark ages was the 15th century so....

amacachi

Wibbs wrote: »

Broad strokes hed, broad strokes. Some seem to think the dark ages was the 15th century so....

I don't think you're giving people enough credit tbh. The Dark Ages were damn dark, the tiny progress from when Jesus was supposedly around until near the Renaissance is evidence enough. Most of the world seemed to manage it as well, the amount of things "invented" in Europe in the last few centuries was made in China millennia ago and they managed to forget all about them. :pac:

Wibbs

amacachi wrote: »

I don't think you're giving people enough credit tbh. The Dark Ages were damn dark, the tiny progress from when Jesus was supposedly around until near the Renaissance is evidence enough.

Well then you also need to read up more on that period. You're saying there was tiny progress from the first century AD until the Renaissance? Not even from the fall of Rome until the Renaissance? Eh no. Quite a bit happened in that latter period.

The first universities as we would recognise them today. The first degrees handed out. The first mechanical clocks(12th century, maybe before). Music annotation was invented and improved. Major innovations and output in agriculture. EG The heavy plough and horse collars to till fields more efficently(6th century). Spurs(11th) Horseshoes(9th), Preservation of beer with hops(9th) artesian wells which require no pumps (12th).No famines for a very long period of time.

While roman law was lost for a time, the birth of modern law was well on the way by the 9th century(Merchant law/Germanic law/Breton law/anglo saxon law). Monumental architecture in the mass building of huge cathedrals and the science behind doing so. Before the crusades kicked off Europe had a generally peaceful time. They were pretty much united under one religious doctrine.

The births of the nation states as we think of them today. The Byzantines continued to grow in many aspects of science law and culture. The carolingian Renaissance under Charlemagne was in full flow in the 9th century. Science and philosophy grew steadily in this time period. The Muslim influence added greatly to it. While the Chinese invented paper, Europe took to it with gusto and built paper mills that outputted it in large volume. Other stuff? The blast furnace(12th) Tidal mills(9th), glass mirrors, Astronomical compass, the horizontal loom, grindstones, distilation of alcohol. Its not a short list.

Most of the world seemed to manage it as well, the amount of things "invented" in Europe in the last few centuries was made in China millennia ago and they managed to forget all about them. :pac:

Hardly milennia ago. Movable metal type? About 100 years before gutenburg. And his was a more innovative way to do it and changes the world. Gunpowder? the first accurate reference in China is in the 8th century. Europe gets it by the 13th. Again europe does more with it(for good and ill).