Disable Woman 'starved after mother died'

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Poor daughter, what a horrible way to go.

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=378203&version=1&template_id=38&parent_id=20

A disabled woman may have starved to death in her home after her mother, who cared for her full time, died suddenly. The 56-year-old woman and her daughter, aged 29, were found dead on Saturday after concerns were raised about their welfare.

Police confirmed ay that a post mortem had not found any evidence the pair had been attacked and that the deaths were not suspicious. Hertfordshire police said further tests were being carried out to establish how they died.

The mother was named locally as Stephanie Wolf. There is speculation she died suddenly, leaving her paralysed daughter unable to care for herself.

Police are also investigating the possibility she may have killed her daughter before taking her own life. The bodies were discovered at an address in Wheathampstead.

Neighbour Angela Goodwin said: “They must have lived here for around 15 years. The mother used to say hello occasionally but I didn’t know their names.”

It is believed the bodies may have lain undiscovered in the three-bedroom property for a number of weeks and had partially decomposed.

The alarm was raised by a man delivering leaflets who noticed flies swarming around the letterbox. There were reports that Wolf had become increasingly worn down by the burden of caring for her daughter.

One neighbour said she had become more reclusive and “very depressed” for the past year.

It was also claimed that three years ago, Wolf put a large sign on the roof of the bungalow reading “help”.

A spokeswoman for Hertfordshire police said investigators were not looking for anyone else in connection with the deaths.

Hertfordshire county council yesterday said the mother had refused the help of social workers. But a source said social services still had a duty to care for families who needed help, even if they refused it.

mink_man

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genericguy

i can't make any jokes out of that.

genericguy

mink_man wrote: »

why didn't she eat her legs? she obviously didn't need them.

well god damn that's low-brow.

IM0

:kicks anyone in the face who thanks that:

Tragic is the only word really.

Boxoffrogs

mink_man wrote: »

why didn't she eat her legs? she obviously didn't need them.

There's bad taste and then there's BAD taste, you should check yourself, that's up there with one of the sickest things I've heard

W.Shakes-Beer

mink_man wrote: »

why didn't she eat her legs? she obviously didn't need them.

/facepalm

fonecrusher1

something sarcastic & uncaring to make me look like a real hard tallking cynic.:cool:

Oh yeah. WAMMO!!!

we'llallhavetea_old

genericguy wrote: »

well god damn that's low-brow.

low brow and fcuking stupid might i add :rolleyes:

TanG411

mink_man wrote: »

why didn't she eat her legs? she obviously didn't need them.

As horrible as the joke may be, I still smiled at it.

On a serious note, it is a tragedy that the daughter may have been killed by her mother, or starved to death. It is a terrible way to go.

krudler

mink_man wrote: »

why didn't she eat her legs? she obviously didn't need them.

Thats one of the most cuntish things I've ever read on here :mad:

Shy_Dave!

One of the worst ways to die, and a c*ntish comment to make about it. Can only imagine the fear, the horror of slowly dying from starvation.

mojesius

This is a horrific tragedy. Can we just leave it there and close the thread?

TerrorFirmer

People make jokes here everyday of the week, all year round, about tragedies and mishaps of all kinds. Why does this one suddenly provoke outrage where others are just accepted?

we'llallhavetea_old

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

People make jokes here everyday of the week, all year round, about tragedies and mishaps of all kinds. Why does this one suddenly provoke outrage where others are just accepted?

well for me, it's just not even funny. maybe i wouldn't have been pissed off if at had been funny.

krudler

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

People make jokes here everyday of the week, all year round, about tragedies and mishaps of all kinds. Why does this one suddenly provoke outrage where others are just accepted?

Theres a line, I can laugh at sick jokes, but then theres just being a cnut.

Saila

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

People make jokes here everyday of the week, all year round, about tragedies and mishaps of all kinds. Why does this one suddenly provoke outrage where others are just accepted?

there are lines - sanity/insanity

Shy_Dave!

It's the fact that an elderly woman died, her disabled daughter died most likely of starvation and their bodies rotted alone in a house for weeks and weeks.
That's why his 'joke' is more offensive than usual...to me anyways.

fonecrusher1

A bit fcukin dumb alright.

Thats the way of AH isn't it? Someone posts a tragic story & everyone speeds in to post the cruelest so-called pun/piss-take.

I'l poke fun at anything but oh cripes thats a bad oul story. A bit too sad, even for me.

minidazzler

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

People make jokes here everyday of the week, all year round, about tragedies and mishaps of all kinds. Why does this one suddenly provoke outrage where others are just accepted?

There is a forum specifally for jokes like that! It's not something I would take offence to but it crossed the line by a wide mark.

mikom

To be honest "After hours" is the last place I would post that story.
If you throw a dog a bone, don't be surprised if you get nipped.
I'd even go so far as to say that many of these sad stories are posted up as offerings to the humour gods of afterhours, with the original posters then sitting back to bask in the quips.

wes

That is just a terrible, terrible tragedy.

Brendog

one of the most horrific things i've ever heard! that poor woman..





Is there any chance mink_man could be banned from Boards.ie?
because clearly he isn't human

Miss Lockhart

This is just a horrible thing to happen. That poor girl.

Shy_Dave! wrote: »

It's the fact that an elderly woman died, her disabled daughter died most likely of starvation and their bodies rotted alone in a house for weeks and weeks.
That's why his 'joke' is more offensive than usual...to me anyways.

People seem to become "elderly" earlier and earlier now!

mikom wrote: »

To be honest "After hours" is the last place I would post that story.
If you throw a dog a bone, don't be surprised if you get nipped.

I'd see about getting some professional training for that dog tbh.

mikom

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

I'd see about getting some professional training for that dog tbh.

Lotta dogs in this pound.
Better get Ceasar to the cloning machine.

TPD

I don't think the joke was particularly funny, but I'll defend to the death mink_man's right to say it.

oppenheimer1

mikom wrote: »

To be honest "After hours" is the last place I would post that story.
If you throw a dog a bone, don't be surprised if you get nipped.
I'd even go so far as to say that many of these sad stories are posted up as offerings to the humour gods of afterhours, with the original posters then sitting back to bask in the quips.

I'm sick of this old line being trotted out as if to try to justify the behaviour. Just because its After Hours does that mean people lose any modicum of decency they have? If someone handed him a newspaper and said... read that article, you can bet that poster would not have responded "she should have eaten her legs". Its the pseudo-anonymity that boards.ie gives that allows people to be cunts

If you wouldn't write it on facebook where people can see your real name, then you shouldn't write it on boards.

me_right_one

I'd say the daughter died of dehydration. Starvation takes months, dehydration can be 3 days to 1 week. Terrible, God bless them.

amacachi

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

If you wouldn't write it on facebook where people can see your real name, then you shouldn't write it on boards.

I've put awful stuff on Facebook I wouldn't put here tbh, more likely that people who don't want to see it will already have me on ignore. :pac:
Also on a particular site I'm on I was expecting a lot of jokes about this and yet there were none that I've noticed, and they've joked about a lot worse.

jd007

I think we should find out where mink_man lives and eat his legs. That'll teach him!

mikom

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

If someone handed him a newspaper and said... read that article, you can bet that poster would not have responded "she should have eaten her legs".

If he thought he was around like-minded individuals then he probably would have......... similar to the post on boards.

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

If you wouldn't write it on facebook where people can see your real name, then you shouldn't write it on boards.

I think there's a group for that.

Sharpshooter

mink_man wrote: »

why didn't she eat her legs? she obviously didn't need them.

genericguy wrote: »

well god damn that's low-brow.

me@ucd wrote: »

:kicks anyone in the face who thanks that:

Tragic is the only word really.

diddledum wrote: »

There's bad taste and then there's BAD taste, you should check yourself, that's up there with one of the sickest things I've heard

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

low brow and fcuking stupid might i add :rolleyes:

T-Machine180 wrote: »

As horrible as the joke may be, I still smiled at it.

On a serious note, it is a tragedy that the daughter may have been killed by her mother, or starved to death. It is a terrible way to go.

krudler wrote: »

Thats one of the most cuntish things I've ever read on here :mad:

Shy_Dave! wrote: »

One of the worst ways to die, and a c*ntish comment to make about it. Can only imagine the fear, the horror of slowly dying from starvation.

mojesius wrote: »

This is a horrific tragedy. Can we just leave it there and close the thread?

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

People make jokes here everyday of the week, all year round, about tragedies and mishaps of all kinds. Why does this one suddenly provoke outrage where others are just accepted?

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

well for me, it's just not even funny. maybe i wouldn't have been pissed off if at had been funny.

krudler wrote: »

Theres a line, I can laugh at sick jokes, but then theres just being a cnut.

Saila wrote: »

there are lines - sanity/insanity

Shy_Dave! wrote: »

It's the fact that an elderly woman died, her disabled daughter died most likely of starvation and their bodies rotted alone in a house for weeks and weeks.
That's why his 'joke' is more offensive than usual...to me anyways.

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

A bit fcukin dumb alright.

Thats the way of AH isn't it? Someone posts a tragic story & everyone speeds in to post the cruelest so-called pun/piss-take.

I'l poke fun at anything but oh cripes thats a bad oul story. A bit too sad, even for me.

minidazzler wrote: »

There is a forum specifally for jokes like that! It's not something I would take offence to but it crossed the line by a wide mark.

mikom wrote: »

To be honest "After hours" is the last place I would post that story.
If you throw a dog a bone, don't be surprised if you get nipped.
I'd even go so far as to say that many of these sad stories are posted up as offerings to the humour gods of afterhours, with the original posters then sitting back to bask in the quips.

wes wrote: »

That is just a terrible, terrible tragedy.

Brendog wrote: »

one of the most horrific things i've ever heard! that poor woman..





Is there any chance mink_man could be banned from Boards.ie?
because clearly he isn't human

TPD wrote: »

I don't think the joke was particularly funny, but I'll defend to the death mink_man's right to say it.

I think he made the mistake of jumping in without actually reading the link through, there was just one minute between the post and his reply.

Typical AH response in most cases tbh, which is unfortunate.

With threads like this the first reply can set the tone for the whole thread.

Thankfully everyone else replied in a manner that gives AH and it's posters full credit where credit is due.

You are all capable of understanding tragedy and posting in a manner that shows threads like this belong in After Hours,

me_right_one wrote: »

I'd say the daughter died of dehydration. Starvation takes months, dehydration can be 3 days to 1 week. Terrible, God bless them.

amacachi wrote: »

I've put awful stuff on Facebook I wouldn't put here tbh, more likely that people who don't want to see it will already have me on ignore. :pac:
Also on a particular site I'm on I was expecting a lot of jokes about this and yet there were none that I've noticed, and they've joked about a lot worse.

I didn't want to close this thread, so I will leave my reply and wait for a few minutes so that the people who think funny answers are acceptable know it wont be tolerated this time.

The people of After Hours have spoken.

I will re-open this thread in 5 minutes.

Sharpshooter

Thread re-opened. ( later by a few minutes ).:pac:

Please keep your replies like the ones I quoted above.

Fair play to all of you.:)

ElaElaElano

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Thats the way of AH isn't it? Someone posts a tragic story & everyone speeds in to post the cruelest so-called pun/piss-take.

No it's not the way of AH and I think this thread is testament to that...one person made a joke in poor taste and everyone else called him up on it. That's hardly 'everyone speeding in'. I don't know why posters in AH are grouped together as heartless idiots, yes many of us have a darker sense of humour, but 99% know when the line's being crossed.

mink_man

thanks sharpshooter, came back here to see all these things, i didn't read the link I just read the heading and why is it such a bad joke, is it because the person that died was disabled?

Sharpshooter

mink_man wrote: »

thanks sharpshooter, came back here to see all these things, i didn't read the link I just read the heading and why is it such a bad joke, is it because the person that died was disabled?

My advice to you would be to tell you to read the OP.:pac:

Shy_Dave!

Have you still not read the link or something?
If you can't understand why some people are upset then I doubt there is much point debating it with you. Best of luck to ya.

mink_man

Sharpshooter wrote: »

My advice to you would be to tell you to read the OP.:pac:

yes i read the link now, but its still not that much worse than other death stories with people mocking them, also the fact that there's a possibility that the carer could have murdered her first.

Sharpshooter

mink_man wrote: »

yes i read the link now, but its still not that much worse than other death stories with people mocking them, also the fact that there's a possibility that the carer could have murdered her first.

You mean her Mother.

Are you referring to this?

Police are also investigating the possibility she may have killed her daughter before taking her own life. The bodies were discovered at an address in Wheathampstead.

It's circumstantial atm, but you seem to be the only one to have selected that from the article mink_man.

If I were you I would stop posting in this thread as all you are doing atm is pissing people off.

Saila

mink_man wrote: »

yes i read the link now, but its still not that much worse than other death stories with people mocking them, also the fact that there's a possibility that the carer could have murdered her first.

Paranoia/Delusion

the joke: Pathological/sociopathic

you need yourself checked out.

mink_man

mojesius wrote: »

What's so hilarious about the title?

EDIT: F*ck it, I don't want to know, outta here

nothing, but this is after hours, a place where theres bad jokes made 24/7. why post it in after hours then? why not post it in humanities?

Einhard

Saila wrote: »

Paranoia/Delusion

the joke: Pathological/sociopathic

you need yourself checked out.

Oh come on, that's an over reaction. It was a tasteless joke, but I've seen worse posted without a similar reaction in AH, and I'm sure most posters have either told, or laughed at, equally crude jokes from time to time.

brendansmith

mink_man wrote: »

why post it in after hours then? why not post it in humanities?

Why why why?

Why didnt you just not make the most disgusting 'joke' about a disabled person starving to death. She sat there dying and was incapable of doing anything about it. How is that funny?

Einhard

brendansmith wrote: »

Why why why?

Why didnt you just not make the most disgusting 'joke' about a disabled person starving to death. She sat there dying and was incapable of doing anything about it. How is that funny?

It might not be to you, or me, but humour is subjective. Personally, I don't believe that any subject should be off limits for humour, or attempts at it.

mink_man

brendansmith wrote: »

Why why why?

Why didnt you just not make the most disgusting 'joke' about a disabled person starving to death. She sat there dying and was incapable of doing anything about it. How is that funny?

what is after hours tell me? its been said its like being in a pub after having a few pints...

would someone who had a few pints in them go telling a serious story, no they wouldn't and I'm sure some would make a joke about it, at least in their head anyways...as far as i can see there's a bandwagon going by and everyone is jumping on it..

Sharpshooter

mink_man wrote: »

nothing, but this is after hours, a place where theres bad jokes made 24/7. why post it in after hours then? why not post it in humanities?

It was posted in After Hours maybe because the OP thought and rightly so that AH posters would give serious answers.

And they did!

Einhard wrote: »

Oh come on, that's an over reaction. It was a tasteless joke, but I've seen worse posted without a similar reaction in AH, and I'm sure most posters have either told, or laughed at, equally crude jokes from time to time.

Did you actually read the thread and the amount of posters that disagreed with mink_man's post?

That sets the tone of the thread imo.

mink_man wrote: »

what is after hours tell me? its been said its like being in a pub after having a few pints...

would someone who had a few pints in them go telling a serious story, no they wouldn't and I'm sure some would make a joke about it, at least in their head anyways...as far as i can see there's a bandwagon going by and everyone is jumping on it..

If someone walked into a pub I was drinking in and told that story I would be very surprised if it got the reaction you want.

I suppose it's more about the company you keep?

mink_man

Sharpshooter wrote: »

It was posted in After Hours maybe because the OP thought and rightly so that AH posters would give serious answers.

And they did!



Did you actually read the thread and the amount of posters that disagreed with mink_man's post?

That sets the tone of the thread imo.



If someone walked into a pub I was drinking in and told that story I would be very surprised if it got the reaction you want.

I suppose it's more about the company you keep?

if someone was tipsy and were told it "disabled woman dies dies of hunger"
and someone said "she should have eaten her legs", then more than likely there would be some laughs amongst the "oh you're a sick c***" etc.

brendansmith

mink_man wrote: »

...as far as i can see there's a bandwagon going by and everyone is jumping on it..

Yeah TBH i was just jumping on the bandwagon. You were an easy target.

Sorry.

Sharpshooter

mink_man wrote: »

if someone was tipsy and were told it "disabled woman dies dies of hunger"
and someone said "she should have eaten her legs", then more than likely there would be some laughs amongst the "oh you're a sick c***" etc.

Alright, I have tried to defend your first post in this thread and I have asked for people to keep their replies in the manner of those I quoted earlier.

mink_man Please do not post in this thread again.

Einhard

Sharpshooter wrote: »

Did you actually read the thread and the amount of posters that disagreed with mink_man's post?

That sets the tone of the thread imo.

I did, and was somewhat surprised to be honest. I can understand people not finding it funny (I didn't, but because it wasn't actually funny, rather than it's subject matter), but the vitriol he's had heaped on him is too much. One poster deems him sociopathic for God's sake! I tend to agree with the one poster who stated that, while he didn't find it funny, he'd defend his right to make such a post.

If someone walked into a pub I was drinking in and told that story I would be very surprised if it got the reaction you want.

I suppose it's more about the company you keep?

Crude, tasteless humour have always been, and always will be part of human nature. Are people here really saying they haven't laughed at racist jokes, at Stevie Wonder/Helen Keller gags, at jokes about famine, war, death, violence?! If so, then both myself and the OP must keep some very odd company indeed.

Sharpshooter

Einhard wrote: »

I did, and was somewhat surprised to be honest. I can understand people not finding it funny (I didn't, but because it wasn't actually funny, rather than it's subject matter), but the vitriol he's had heaped on him is too much. One poster deems him sociopathic for God's sake! I tend to agree with the one poster who stated that, while he didn't find it funny, he'd defend his right to make such a post.




Crude, tasteless humour have always been, and always will be part of human nature. Are people here really saying they haven't laughed at racist jokes, at Stevie Wonder/Helen Keller gags, at jokes about famine, war, death, violence?! If so, then both myself and the OP must keep some very odd company indeed.

As always in After Hours the posters will decide what way they want a thread to go.

They did that here and fair play to them.

I quoted their responses and tried to steer the thread in the direction they wanted.

I stand by that, after all After Hours wouldn't exist without the majority of posters having their say.