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American style gangs

  • 31-07-2010 3:40pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭


    Does anyone think that American style gang culture will ever come to Ireland. Theres already copycat crips, bloods and latin kings in London. I personally dont think so because Irish people in general form tight communities.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,838 ✭✭✭✭3hn2givr7mx1sc


    We're not black enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    As long as there are young stupid ignorant people looking for kicks via violence, there will be gangs. I don't think it will take too long before the juvenile gang colour system takes hold over here too, but then again we have the Tricolour already for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭dave 27


    not being racist at all but i think soon enough when the black population hits a certain % in ireland, we will see this kind of behaviour..look at england as an example


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,754 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Everything America does we copy. Gangs, raps, caaachino coffe, democracy, skateboarding, fake tans and designer dogs, cult celebrities....

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,838 ✭✭✭✭3hn2givr7mx1sc


    A lad I know and a few of his friends set up a 'gang'.

    They used to basically stand outside Tesco and scare people for the craic, and robbed shít. They could have actually been dangerous if they weren't 1st years.:pac:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 355 ✭✭I_AmThe_Walrus


    Ireland's disadvantaged have bought into the ignorant, macho-ism hip hop culture American society has given us...and they take it literally too. The scum think they have something to prove, like a chip on their shoulder where they have to convince the world they're hard enough.

    I blame 60 Cent and Biggie Shakur.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,070 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    dave 27 wrote: »
    not being racist at all but i think soon enough when the black population hits a certain % in ireland, we will see this kind of behaviour..look at england as an example

    I don't think that race is the prime cause for gangland crime tbh. Poverty and ghettoization can affect any race


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    Ireland not Germany....:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,969 ✭✭✭antomorro-sei


    Don't know if its anything to do with those American gangs or not, but there's a "blue crew" that hang around in Inchicore/St Michaels. Funny stuff :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Theres already copycat crips, bloods and latin kings in London.

    Mmmmmmmm crips.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    The presence of paramilitary organisations in Ireland might also be a reason why we dont have those type of gangs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭bonerm


    The presence of paramilitary organisations in Ireland might also be a reason why we dont have those type of gangs.

    They're responsbile for plenty of crips tho.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Ireland's weather is not right for gang banging


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    dave 27 wrote: »
    not being racist at all but i think soon enough when the black population hits a certain % in ireland, we will see this kind of behaviour..look at england as an example

    Yeah, them blacks.....
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Mob#Recent_years


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,230 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    What about the Macra na Feírme posse, or the Tallaghtban?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭bonerm




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 87 ✭✭Strange Loop


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    What about the Macra na Feírme posse, or the Tallaghtban?
    The M-50's, the Bugsy Malones....?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bonerm wrote: »

    Too tanned, and we don't have the weather for that get up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,230 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Nodin wrote: »
    Too tanned, and we don't have the weather for that get up.

    Real hard cases don't wear shirts whatever the weather, even the wimmin.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    I don't think "American-style gangs" are a black thing. Pretty much every ethnic group in American history has formed street gangs, with their own colors, symbols and codes of conduct. And often these gangs were the muscle behind protecting gambling, liquor, prostitution, heroin and other illicit activity. The only difference today is that they have destroyed their own communities through drug dealing, and nobody tries to be careful about innocent bystanders anymore.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    Any irish guys with a "crew" or whatever always remind me of Ali G and the Staines Massiv


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭PK2008


    Theres a lot of rivalry between the king crips and the tayto crips


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Does anyone think that American style gang culture will ever come to Ireland. Theres already copycat crips, bloods and latin kings in London. I personally dont think so because Irish people in general form tight communities.

    Apparently already here,SIHBT.Wearing colours and fighting.
    They are in Holland also.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Does anyone think that American style gang culture will ever come to Ireland. Theres already copycat crips, bloods and latin kings in London. I personally dont think so because Irish people in general form tight communities.

    What do you mean by this (genuinely curious; not being snarky)?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    What do you mean by this (genuinely curious; not being snarky)?
    This sounds terrible but we're all very closely related to each other in this country and because of this we have very strong community bonds. Theres people I really dont like from my area but id help them out if they were in trouble.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    This sounds terrible but we're all very closely related to each other in this country and because of this we have very strong community bonds. Theres people I really dont like from my area but id help them out if they were in trouble.

    But you could also argue that strong community bonds actually make gang activity easier - certainly this is something that has helped paramilitary groups historically.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    But you could also argue that strong community bonds actually make gang activity easier - certainly this is something that has helped paramilitary groups historically.
    True. But if you do something bad in my community everyone knows you personally and your family. Apart from the paramilitary stuff, Belfast had one of the lowest crime rates in the world.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    I blame 50 pence and that other fellow doggy dog pup.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    True. But if you do something bad in my community everyone knows you personally and your family. Apart from the paramilitary stuff, Belfast had one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

    Apart from the fact that paramilitary activity in and of itself is illegal and often supported by illegal activity, I think it might be more accurate to say that Belfast had one of the lowest reported crime rates in the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭Tomebagel


    Theres a wannabe 'gang' of pakistani's who call themselves 2paki,they like to think they are american gangsters and listen to rap music,thus gettin there name from 2pac.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Tomebagel wrote: »
    Theres a wannabe 'gang' of pakistani's who call themselves 2paki,they like to think they are american gangsters and listen to rap music,thus gettin there name from 2pac.

    LOL :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Sea Sharp


    What about the skanky prostitutes, eh I mean the hood-rats?
    There was also the Westies who p1ssed off some proper Spanish criminals and were never heard of again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    Apart from the fact that paramilitary activity in and of itself is illegal and often supported by illegal activity, I think it might be more accurate to say that Belfast had one of the lowest reported crime rates in the world.
    Before the troubles started Belfast had one of the lowest crime rates in the world.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    i'm pretty sure the Ra would sort it out if it got too out of hand,its nice to have a reputable vigilante company in this place :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Isn't there already Hells Angels in Ireland?
    Gang turned organisation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭az2wp0sye65487


    baz2009 wrote: »
    We're not black enough.

    The Irish are the blacks of Europe.

    And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland.

    And Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin.

    So say it once, say it loud: "I'm black, and I'm proud!"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    The Irish are the blacks of Europe.

    And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland.

    And Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin.

    So say it once, say it loud: "I'm black, and I'm proud!"

    You do know what that was instigating when they called us that?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    The Irish are the blacks of Europe.

    And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland.

    And Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin.

    So say it once, say it loud: "I'm black, and I'm proud!"

    no irish are the blacks of dublin,get it right


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭az2wp0sye65487


    caseyann wrote: »
    You do know what that was instigating when they called us that?

    Who are they??

    I was quoting Jimmy Rabbitt


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Dennis the Stone


    I really resent the aggressive and divisive nature of the American gang culture, and sincerely hope it does not develop along those lines here in Ireland. In the old days, gangs were more of an affirmative community-orientated amalgamation of like-minded people. Those gangs were inclusive and people were entreated to join and identify with the cause in a manner that fostered positive energy. This inclusive nature of the old-time gangs is evident for example in these words of a classic popular music song: D'you wanna be in my gang, my gang, my gang. D'you wanna be in my gang (oh yeah). Sadly, I fear that the youth of today has moved away from the message of people like Gary Glitter and are moving instead towards violence, drug abuse and racial tension. Basically a vehicle for hatred.

    Call me old-fashioned but I just believe in the ideals of a simpler time I suppose. Sad all the same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Before the troubles started Belfast had one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

    OK, but wasn't your point that gangs wouldn't take root because people are close knit? We are talking about today, no?

    I'm always skeptical about the "tight knit" argument, because communities that are too clannish of outsiders and the state often do have serious internal problems. South Boston Irish have always touted their "close knit community" status: even though people were poor, everyone knew each other, etc. In turn they looked down on 'violent' blacks and Puerto Ricans. The reality is that there were and are extensive organized crime networks who benefited from the fact that people in Southie wouldn't rat them out to the police. There is a lot of violence that goes underreported, in part because the tight-knit community would turn on the accuser; subsequently a lot of victims suffer in silence. A closer look at Southie community statistics also shows astronomical levels of depression, drug abuse, and suicide - Michael Patrick McDonald wrote about this dynamic quite eloquently in his book All Souls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    this is exactly why gangs won't take over in ireland :pac::pac:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61468117

    the TCRG as they like to be called disappeared for a while after this threat from tge RA what I remember but there last weekend they attacked some fella in the town... I'm wondering will they get threatened again.....

    As much as I don't like the dissidents at least they don't have to follow a rule book and worry about paper work when takin into scum bags like these who think there a real "gang"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    I really resent the aggressive and divisive nature of the American gang culture, and sincerely hope it does not develop along those lines here in Ireland. In the old days, gangs were more of an affirmative community-orientated amalgamation of like-minded people. Those gangs were inclusive and people were entreated to join and identify with the cause in a manner that fostered positive energy. This inclusive nature of the old-time gangs is evident for example in these words of a classic popular music song: D'you wanna be in my gang, my gang, my gang. D'you wanna be in my gang (oh yeah). Sadly, I fear that the youth of today has moved away from the message of people like Gary Glitter and are moving instead towards violence, drug abuse and racial tension. Basically a vehicle for hatred.

    Call me old-fashioned but I just believe in the ideals of a simpler time I suppose. Sad all the same.

    What? Positive energy? We're talking about street gangs, not fraternal organizations. This is a really naive post; when has violence ever NOT been a part of street gang culture?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,919 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    What next? Somebody'll be murdered and then where are we?
    Drive-by shootings in the night. It'll be like Boyz N the Hood.
    Then they'll have whores selling their wares on the street.
    The pimps'll be using crack to keep the whores under control.
    I'm going to lock myself in the basement until they catch that fella.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    OK, but wasn't your point that gangs wouldn't take root because people are close knit? We are talking about today, no?

    I'm always skeptical about the "tight knit" argument, because communities that are too clannish of outsiders and the state often do have serious internal problems. South Boston Irish have always touted their "close knit community" status: even though people were poor, everyone knew each other, etc. In turn they looked down on 'violent' blacks and Puerto Ricans. The reality is that there were and are extensive organized crime networks who benefited from the fact that people in Southie wouldn't rat them out to the police. There is a lot of violence that goes underreported, in part because the tight-knit community would turn on the accuser; subsequently a lot of victims suffer in silence. A closer look at Southie community statistics also shows astronomical levels of depression, drug abuse, and suicide - Michael Patrick McDonald wrote about this dynamic quite eloquently in his book All Souls.
    Immigrant groups in foreign countries face different social problems compared to indigenous communities. You cant really compare the situation in southie to here. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the industrialised world.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Immigrant groups in foreign countries face different social problems compared to indigenous communities. You cant really compare the situation in southie to here. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the industrialised world.
    i disagree with this,the foreign community coming to Ireland are thankfully treated great to help them be a functioning part of Irish society,which is working ,I don't see how the immigrant community are facing different social problems today compared to the indigenous community,if anything i would blame what is being portrayed in the media


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Immigrant groups in foreign countries face different social problems compared to indigenous communities. You cant really compare the situation in southie to here. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the industrialised world.

    Ok, but the Southie Irish have been there for more than 3 generations, so they aren't immigrants - they are an ethnic group that are particularly proud of their heritage. But my bigger point wasn't about immigrants, it was about the relationship between tight-knit communities and crime.

    I agree that immigrants have different problems, and they have historically formed gangs in part to protect themselves from natives, other immigrants, or even the state. But Ireland doesn't have the huge immigrant ghettos that have historically spawned this kind of thing in other countries, and the locals have a lock on the drug trade (for now anyway). And the state (and police in particular) have been far more welcoming to new immigrants than "old" destination countries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    biko wrote: »
    Isn't there already Hells Angels in Ireland?
    Gang turned organisation.

    They prefer the term, motorcycle enthusiasts. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭The Highwayman


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    What next? Somebody'll be murdered and then where are we?
    Drive-by shootings in the night. It'll be like Boyz N the Hood.
    Then they'll have whores selling their wares on the street.
    The pimps'll be using crack to keep the whores under control.
    I'm going to lock myself in the basement until they catch that fella.

    Was it a few years back when 2 cars were shooting at each other on the M50

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SHOOTOUT+ON+THE+M50;+Crime+suspect+cheats+death+for+2nd+time+as+gun...-a0143705902

    There are whores selling their bodys on the streets who are controlled by pimps

    Crack is a big up and coming drug and it will lay wast to the same neighbourhoods that heroine destroyed in the 80's

    Its here at the moment and is run by Irish crims.

    But everywhere that poor immigrants arrive in any country they move into these ways of making money. I dont want to sound xenophobic its just the law of the jungle. The gang style group give young disaffected people a place to belong and a way out of the ghetto. In a way its inevitable.


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