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American style gangs

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  • #32
    Tomebagel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭Tomebagel


    Theres a wannabe 'gang' of pakistani's who call themselves 2paki,they like to think they are american gangsters and listen to rap music,thus gettin there name from 2pac.


  • #33
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Tomebagel wrote: »
    Theres a wannabe 'gang' of pakistani's who call themselves 2paki,they like to think they are american gangsters and listen to rap music,thus gettin there name from 2pac.

    LOL :rolleyes:


  • #34
    Sea Sharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Sea Sharp


    What about the skanky prostitutes, eh I mean the hood-rats?
    There was also the Westies who p1ssed off some proper Spanish criminals and were never heard of again.


  • #35
    scientific1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    southsiderosie wrote: »
    Apart from the fact that paramilitary activity in and of itself is illegal and often supported by illegal activity, I think it might be more accurate to say that Belfast had one of the lowest reported crime rates in the world.
    Before the troubles started Belfast had one of the lowest crime rates in the world.


  • #36
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    i'm pretty sure the Ra would sort it out if it got too out of hand,its nice to have a reputable vigilante company in this place :)


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  • #37
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Isn't there already Hells Angels in Ireland?
    Gang turned organisation.


  • #38
    az2wp0sye65487
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭az2wp0sye65487


    baz2009 wrote: »
    We're not black enough.

    The Irish are the blacks of Europe.

    And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland.

    And Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin.

    So say it once, say it loud: "I'm black, and I'm proud!"


  • #39
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Raylan Numerous Metropolis wrote: »
    The Irish are the blacks of Europe.

    And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland.

    And Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin.

    So say it once, say it loud: "I'm black, and I'm proud!"

    You do know what that was instigating when they called us that?


  • #40
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Raylan Numerous Metropolis wrote: »
    The Irish are the blacks of Europe.

    And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland.

    And Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin.

    So say it once, say it loud: "I'm black, and I'm proud!"

    no irish are the blacks of dublin,get it right


  • #41
    az2wp0sye65487
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭az2wp0sye65487


    caseyann wrote: »
    You do know what that was instigating when they called us that?

    Who are they??

    I was quoting Jimmy Rabbitt


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  • #42
    Dennis the Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Dennis the Stone


    I really resent the aggressive and divisive nature of the American gang culture, and sincerely hope it does not develop along those lines here in Ireland. In the old days, gangs were more of an affirmative community-orientated amalgamation of like-minded people. Those gangs were inclusive and people were entreated to join and identify with the cause in a manner that fostered positive energy. This inclusive nature of the old-time gangs is evident for example in these words of a classic popular music song: D'you wanna be in my gang, my gang, my gang. D'you wanna be in my gang (oh yeah). Sadly, I fear that the youth of today has moved away from the message of people like Gary Glitter and are moving instead towards violence, drug abuse and racial tension. Basically a vehicle for hatred.

    Call me old-fashioned but I just believe in the ideals of a simpler time I suppose. Sad all the same.


  • #43
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    scientific1982 wrote: »
    Before the troubles started Belfast had one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

    OK, but wasn't your point that gangs wouldn't take root because people are close knit? We are talking about today, no?

    I'm always skeptical about the "tight knit" argument, because communities that are too clannish of outsiders and the state often do have serious internal problems. South Boston Irish have always touted their "close knit community" status: even though people were poor, everyone knew each other, etc. In turn they looked down on 'violent' blacks and Puerto Ricans. The reality is that there were and are extensive organized crime networks who benefited from the fact that people in Southie wouldn't rat them out to the police. There is a lot of violence that goes underreported, in part because the tight-knit community would turn on the accuser; subsequently a lot of victims suffer in silence. A closer look at Southie community statistics also shows astronomical levels of depression, drug abuse, and suicide - Michael Patrick McDonald wrote about this dynamic quite eloquently in his book All Souls.


  • #44
    johnmcdnl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭johnmcdnl


    this is exactly why gangs won't take over in ireland :pac::pac:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61468117

    the TCRG as they like to be called disappeared for a while after this threat from tge RA what I remember but there last weekend they attacked some fella in the town... I'm wondering will they get threatened again.....

    As much as I don't like the dissidents at least they don't have to follow a rule book and worry about paper work when takin into scum bags like these who think there a real "gang"


  • #45
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Dennis the Stone wrote: »
    I really resent the aggressive and divisive nature of the American gang culture, and sincerely hope it does not develop along those lines here in Ireland. In the old days, gangs were more of an affirmative community-orientated amalgamation of like-minded people. Those gangs were inclusive and people were entreated to join and identify with the cause in a manner that fostered positive energy. This inclusive nature of the old-time gangs is evident for example in these words of a classic popular music song: D'you wanna be in my gang, my gang, my gang. D'you wanna be in my gang (oh yeah). Sadly, I fear that the youth of today has moved away from the message of people like Gary Glitter and are moving instead towards violence, drug abuse and racial tension. Basically a vehicle for hatred.

    Call me old-fashioned but I just believe in the ideals of a simpler time I suppose. Sad all the same.

    What? Positive energy? We're talking about street gangs, not fraternal organizations. This is a really naive post; when has violence ever NOT been a part of street gang culture?


  • #46
    Xavi6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,159 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    What next? Somebody'll be murdered and then where are we?
    Drive-by shootings in the night. It'll be like Boyz N the Hood.
    Then they'll have whores selling their wares on the street.
    The pimps'll be using crack to keep the whores under control.
    I'm going to lock myself in the basement until they catch that fella.


  • #47
    scientific1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    southsiderosie wrote: »
    OK, but wasn't your point that gangs wouldn't take root because people are close knit? We are talking about today, no?

    I'm always skeptical about the "tight knit" argument, because communities that are too clannish of outsiders and the state often do have serious internal problems. South Boston Irish have always touted their "close knit community" status: even though people were poor, everyone knew each other, etc. In turn they looked down on 'violent' blacks and Puerto Ricans. The reality is that there were and are extensive organized crime networks who benefited from the fact that people in Southie wouldn't rat them out to the police. There is a lot of violence that goes underreported, in part because the tight-knit community would turn on the accuser; subsequently a lot of victims suffer in silence. A closer look at Southie community statistics also shows astronomical levels of depression, drug abuse, and suicide - Michael Patrick McDonald wrote about this dynamic quite eloquently in his book All Souls.
    Immigrant groups in foreign countries face different social problems compared to indigenous communities. You cant really compare the situation in southie to here. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the industrialised world.


  • #48
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    scientific1982 wrote: »
    Immigrant groups in foreign countries face different social problems compared to indigenous communities. You cant really compare the situation in southie to here. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the industrialised world.
    i disagree with this,the foreign community coming to Ireland are thankfully treated great to help them be a functioning part of Irish society,which is working ,I don't see how the immigrant community are facing different social problems today compared to the indigenous community,if anything i would blame what is being portrayed in the media


  • #49
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    scientific1982 wrote: »
    Immigrant groups in foreign countries face different social problems compared to indigenous communities. You cant really compare the situation in southie to here. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the industrialised world.

    Ok, but the Southie Irish have been there for more than 3 generations, so they aren't immigrants - they are an ethnic group that are particularly proud of their heritage. But my bigger point wasn't about immigrants, it was about the relationship between tight-knit communities and crime.

    I agree that immigrants have different problems, and they have historically formed gangs in part to protect themselves from natives, other immigrants, or even the state. But Ireland doesn't have the huge immigrant ghettos that have historically spawned this kind of thing in other countries, and the locals have a lock on the drug trade (for now anyway). And the state (and police in particular) have been far more welcoming to new immigrants than "old" destination countries.


  • #50
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    biko wrote: »
    Isn't there already Hells Angels in Ireland?
    Gang turned organisation.

    They prefer the term, motorcycle enthusiasts. :D


  • #51
    The Highwayman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭The Highwayman


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    What next? Somebody'll be murdered and then where are we?
    Drive-by shootings in the night. It'll be like Boyz N the Hood.
    Then they'll have whores selling their wares on the street.
    The pimps'll be using crack to keep the whores under control.
    I'm going to lock myself in the basement until they catch that fella.

    Was it a few years back when 2 cars were shooting at each other on the M50

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SHOOTOUT+ON+THE+M50;+Crime+suspect+cheats+death+for+2nd+time+as+gun...-a0143705902

    There are whores selling their bodys on the streets who are controlled by pimps

    Crack is a big up and coming drug and it will lay wast to the same neighbourhoods that heroine destroyed in the 80's

    Its here at the moment and is run by Irish crims.

    But everywhere that poor immigrants arrive in any country they move into these ways of making money. I dont want to sound xenophobic its just the law of the jungle. The gang style group give young disaffected people a place to belong and a way out of the ghetto. In a way its inevitable.


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  • #52
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    The Highwayman wrote: »
    Was it a few years back when 2 cars were shooting at each other on the M50

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SHOOTOUT+ON+THE+M50;+Crime+suspect+cheats+death+for+2nd+time+as+gun...-a0143705902

    There are whores selling their bodys on the streets who are controlled by pimps

    Crack is a big up and coming drug and it will lay wast to the same neighbourhoods that heroine destroyed in the 80's

    Its here at the moment and is run by Irish crims.

    But everywhere that poor immigrants arrive in any country they move into these ways of making money. I dont want to sound xenophobic its just the law of the jungle. The gang style group give young disaffected people a place to belong and a way out of the ghetto. In a way its inevitable.

    But most immigrants in Ireland aren't poor, and are actually quite highly skilled. Eastern Europeans are slightly less so, but they have high rates of labor market participation.

    The bigger crime threat involving foreign nationals isn't necessarily from poor labor migrants, but rather organized crime and human trafficking, and a lot of this (human trafficking in particular) is due to poverty outside of Ireland, not within.


  • #53
    brummytom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,572 ✭✭✭✭brummytom


    Don't like the whole 'all gangs are black attitude here'.


    Whenever there's stupid little kids who think it's fun to risk their lives and have no respect for others, there's gangs


  • #54
    scientific1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    i disagree with this,the foreign community coming to Ireland are thankfully treated great to help them be a functioning part of Irish society,which is working ,I don't see how the immigrant community are facing different social problems today compared to the indigenous community,if anything i would blame what is being portrayed in the media
    What I was saying was that you cant compare the social conditions of Irish immigrants living in America to Irish people living in Ireland.


  • #55
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    scientific1982 wrote: »
    What I was saying was that you cant compare the social conditions of Irish immigrants living in America to Irish people living in Ireland.

    But most Boston Irish in South are natives (in the 3-generation American sense) - and are proud of the same tight-knit community dynamic that you seem to see as a bulkhead against gangs. And Southie is rife with gang activity.


  • #56
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    scientific1982 wrote: »
    What I was saying was that you cant compare the social conditions of Irish immigrants living in America to Irish people living in Ireland.

    exactly,totally agree with you,and for the fact that we're thankfully treating our immigrants so well i don't see the reason why they'd feel socially inferior considering they're entitled to almost everything a citizen is,they have just as many opportunities as us and i feel the matter of gang creation for these people is rooting from what they see in america and aspire to the leeches of their society


  • #57
    mike kelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭mike kelly


    baz2009 wrote: »
    We're not black enough.

    not yet


  • #58
    scientific1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    southsiderosie wrote: »
    But most Boston Irish in South are natives (in the 3-generation American sense) - and are proud of the same tight-knit community dynamic that you seem to see as a bulkhead against gangs. And Southie is rife with gang activity.
    Well southie is a poor community. Poverty is a major factor in criminality. I dont think that community has a high crime rate because they are tight knit. Crime is a problem in Ireland but I think we dont face anywhere near the problems that say England are facing. People there have lost there sense of community.


  • #59
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    baz2009 wrote: »
    We're not black enough.

    What choo talkin' bout Willis...?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #60
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,560 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    exactly,totally agree with you,and for the fact that we're thankfully treating our immigrants so well i don't see the reason why they'd feel socially inferior considering they're entitled to almost everything a citizen is,they have just as many opportunities as us and i feel the matter of gang creation for these people is rooting from what they see in america and aspire to the leeches of their society

    Are immigrant street gangs actually an issue in Ireland, or is this just more internet hang-wringing?


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  • #61
    scientific1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    exactly,totally agree with you,and for the fact that we're thankfully treating our immigrants so well i don't see the reason why they'd feel socially inferior considering they're entitled to almost everything a citizen is,they have just as many opportunities as us and i feel the matter of gang creation for these people is rooting from what they see in america and aspire to the leeches of their society
    Yeah I agree. Whats starting to happen in Britain is kids are trying to copy American gang culture.


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