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Irish Government Conspiracy
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28-07-2010 2:08pm#1Ok it has to be noted Ireland is one of the most corrupt countries in the world only because of the Irish Government robbing its people.
Here are a few examples :
Nama €56B of tax payers money used to save the banks, not to long ago the owner of Anglo Irish went bankrupt this means that the Irish Government now owns Anglo after they spent €22B of the €56B to save the bank.
But just released today : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100728/tuk-anglo-irish-bank-to-take-over-store-e1cd776.html
Anglo buy's Arnotts store and fears over 1000 will lose their jobs because of it. Why is a bank that cant pay its own bills going around buy property? That €22B has just gone back into Government pockets while people are losing their homes.
Nama just make it known to people if you have worked and you took out a loan the money the bank charges you for paying back is yours!! €200,000 for every man women and child in this country would not add up anywhere near the €56B that has been taken from the people.
The Government also bought 15% of Bank of Ireland using tax payers money we own part of all the banks in this country. Why are we paying the banks for our own money?
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More.. The Irish Government buys up stakes in Irish companies 29% of Aer Lingus is owned by the Government it has done since its the company started. This means they get 29% of the profits each year where has all this money gone too? Aer Lingus was start on May 22, 1936.
Some of the companies the Irish Government owns stakes in : Guinness, RTE, Independent Media, AIB, Anglo, Bank of Ireland, Irish rail and so many more which would have a massive amount of revenue each year.
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More.. The Government is to cut €3B more this year that we know of the budget still has to come but a lot of money is being spent on projects around the country that shows the fact the money is being taken to fund these projects.
Examples : http://www.irishrail.ie/projects/dart_underground.asp The under ground dart system being paid buy the Government but why is the Government paying the fee's for a company that is able to pay its own way in expanding?
Some of this money for the budget this year going on our roads they say its to fix them but we pay the highest road tax of any country €100 for a 1.4 Focus, and it had been increasing over the years thats a lot of money that has not been spent on fixing roads but for projects like this : http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0727/limerick.html all for a 20min saving of time to travel around the City of Limerick but this is not the only project of its kind. All the motor ways in the country are being upgraded and this money is being taken from a €39B invested that is supposed to create jobs "Only for the time it takes to make these upgrades after that all the jobs are gone"
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Our Government is going around paying for companies to expand on stupid little expansions that do not expand into other markets "Other Countries" only in so called infrastructure which brings in no money whats so ever.
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The RTE is partially owned buy the Government this means they will not say anything to the Government to make them angry to put it in a nice way but this means they will only tell a story the way the Government would have it told.
Last week on the RTE they announced that 600 homes had been reprocessed this year but the fact is 600 families have lost there homes and thats only a number we are been given.
The RTE has in no way investigated how many people have had to give their kids less and less food for the choice of hunger or losing their homes because of the banks failures.
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I hope people see what I am saying about how the Government has more control over our lives than they make out and how this makes everyone one of the same a modern day slave. We are told 450,000 people are unemployed we paid our taxes for our dole money, our health care, our water "we pay for our water already we have done since the 80's" and they want to charge again saying that we never have paid "Do they think we forgot?" they also want to cut our health care which we have been paying for!!!
This all comes down to the Government robbing our money and telling us its to save us and create new jobs its not they are crooks.
Even the Gardi are saying it : http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=6342
Be careful on who you vote for FF = FG just the same they always have been look at the history books, the internet and old news papers.4
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Frighten stuff reading that, pity none of the Goverment/Overlords
or their 2buddies" will ever see a jail cell.
But you will if you don't pay your TV licence. As for our News media they'll
just keep spoon feeding us mindless dribble followed by the sports results!0 -
Frighten stuff reading that, pity none of the Goverment/Overlords
or their 2buddies" will ever see a jail cell.
But you will if you don't pay your TV licence. As for our News media they'll
just keep spoon feeding us mindless dribble followed by the sports results!
edit. Sorry. Meant to quote parts of the OP, not mechanoman.
Arnotts did not go out yesterday and buy Arnotts. Arnotts are in debt to Anglo and Ulster Bank to the tune of 250m euro. The banks have to step in and sort the mess out. If Arnotts go bust the banks lose that 250m, plus 950 people are out of work. What do you suggest they do ? Sit back and do nothing ?
Again, on the issue of the bank bailouts, what do you think would happen if BoI or AIB went bust ? Because of the bank guarantee scheme the Gov would be liable for losse's, which would make the bailout cost look like chicken feed. And who would the Gov borrow the money from to cover the costs ? Nobody. Who in their right minds would lend to a country that did not have a properly functioning financial system.0 -
edit. Sorry. Meant to quote parts of the OP, not mechanoman.
Arnotts did not go out yesterday and buy Arnotts.
Arnotts are in debt to Anglo and Ulster Bank to the tune of 250m euro. The banks have to step in and sort the mess out. If Arnotts go bust the banks lose that 250m, plus 950 people are out of work. What do you suggest they do ? Sit back and do nothing ?
Again, on the issue of the bank bailouts, what do you think would happen if BoI or AIB went bust ? Because of the bank guarantee scheme the Gov would be liable for losse's, which would make the bailout cost look like chicken feed. And who would the Gov borrow the money from to cover the costs ? Nobody. Who in their right minds would lend to a country that did not have a properly functioning financial system.
Anglo bought an Arnotts store!! Anglo is now owned by the Government : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100728/tuk-anglo-irish-bank-to-take-over-store-e1cd776.html
No one ever said that we had to save the Banks the Government did they could have sold Anglo and made a profit but they wont because they already owned a large stake in the bank or they could have let it go saving €22B of tax payers money but it all comes down to the Government stake.
The Government takes loans from the EU it has done for years if you know anyone going to collage and if they have applied for a grant that grant is funded by the EU its stated on the Grant confirmation letter.
The EU also gives money to the Governments in the EU for infrastructure building.
You never mentioned about anyone losing their homes why not? want Anglo more than knowing a child has a roof over his/her head? knowing a child is not going to bed hungry?
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Why should the government pay for peoples homes? In a perfect world, it'd be nice if they did, but really, why should they? They have to look after the entire country, so if they're letting one person off on their mortgage, why aren't they letting everyone off? Why not write off every mortgage and we'll all own our own homes?Anglo bought an Arnotts store!! Anglo is now owned by the Government : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100728/tuk-anglo-irish-bank-to-take-over-store-e1cd776.html
No one ever said that we had to save the Banks the Government did they could have sold Anglo and made a profit but they wont because they already owned a large stake in the bank or they could have let it go saving €22B of tax payers money but it all comes down to the Government stake.
The Government takes loans from the EU it has done for years if you know anyone going to collage and if they have applied for a grant that grant is funded by the EU its stated on the Grant confirmation letter.
The EU also gives money to the Governments in the EU for infrastructure building.
You never mentioned about anyone losing their homes why not? want Anglo more than knowing a child has a roof over his/her head? knowing a child is not going to bed hungry?
Wake up!
And on the grand scheme of things, some people losing their homes is not as bad as an entire country going bankrupt and everybody losing their homes. It's the lesser of two evils.0 -
Anglo bought an Arnotts store!! Anglo is now owned by the Government : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100728/tuk-anglo-irish-bank-to-take-over-store-e1cd776.html
Where exactly in that link does it say that Anglo Irish Bank have bought Arnotts ?
Taken from that link"Arnotts Holdings Ltd confirms that it is working with its banks (Anglo Irish Bank and Ulster Bank) as part of the ongoing process agreed last February to restructure the group's financing," a statement read. "Arnotts is performing very strongly with trading for the first half of the year ahead of the Irish retail market.No one ever said that we had to save the Banks the Government did they could have sold Anglo and made a profit but they wont because they already owned a large stake in the bank or they could have let it go saving €22B of tax payers money but it all comes down to the Government stake.
Do you actually know how the Government came to own a stake in Anglo ?
Do you know what the costs would have been had Anglo failed ?
Do you know what the knock on effects to the whole Irish banking system would have been ?
rYou never mentioned about anyone losing their homes why not? want Anglo more than knowing a child has a roof over his/her head? knowing a child is not going to bed hungry?
Are you suggesting that the Gov should have let Anglo fail, and instead used the 22bn to bailout people who took out huge loans they had no hope of repaying if their circumstances changed even slightly for the worse. This is going to sound harsh, but people need to take personnal responsibility for their own financial decisions.
Anyway, there is no conspiracy here, and this discussion should be in the Irish Economy forum. Its a situation caused by personnel greed and unsound business practises.0 -
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Ok it has to be noted Ireland is one of the most corrupt countries in the world only because of the Irish Government robbing its people.
Here are a few examples :
Nama €56B of tax payers money used to save the banks, not to long ago the owner of Anglo Irish went bankrupt this means that the Irish Government now owns Anglo after they spent €22B of the €56B to save the bank.
But just released today : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100728/tuk-anglo-irish-bank-to-take-over-store-e1cd776.html
Anglo buy's Arnotts store and fears over 1000 will lose their jobs because of it. Why is a bank that cant pay its own bills going around buy property? That €22B has just gone back into Government pockets while people are losing their homes.
Nama just make it known to people if you have worked and you took out a loan the money the bank charges you for paying back is yours!! €200,000 for every man women and child in this country would not add up anywhere near the €56B that has been taken from the people.
The Government also bought 15% of Bank of Ireland using tax payers money we own part of all the banks in this country. Why are we paying the banks for our own money?
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More.. The Irish Government buys up stakes in Irish companies 29% of Aer Lingus is owned by the Government it has done since its the company started. This means they get 29% of the profits each year where has all this money gone too? Aer Lingus was start on May 22, 1936.
Some of the companies the Irish Government owns stakes in : Guinness, RTE, Independent Media, AIB, Anglo, Bank of Ireland, Irish rail and so many more which would have a massive amount of revenue each year.
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More.. The Government is to cut €3B more this year that we know of the budget still has to come but a lot of money is being spent on projects around the country that shows the fact the money is being taken to fund these projects.
Examples : http://www.irishrail.ie/projects/dart_underground.asp The under ground dart system being paid buy the Government but why is the Government paying the fee's for a company that is able to pay its own way in expanding?
Some of this money for the budget this year going on our roads they say its to fix them but we pay the highest road tax of any country €100 for a 1.4 Focus, and it had been increasing over the years thats a lot of money that has not been spent on fixing roads but for projects like this : http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0727/limerick.html all for a 20min saving of time to travel around the City of Limerick but this is not the only project of its kind. All the motor ways in the country are being upgraded and this money is being taken from a €39B invested that is supposed to create jobs "Only for the time it takes to make these upgrades after that all the jobs are gone"
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Our Government is going around paying for companies to expand on stupid little expansions that do not expand into other markets "Other Countries" only in so called infrastructure which brings in no money whats so ever.
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The RTE is partially owned buy the Government this means they will not say anything to the Government to make them angry to put it in a nice way but this means they will only tell a story the way the Government would have it told.
Last week on the RTE they announced that 600 homes had been reprocessed this year but the fact is 600 families have lost there homes and thats only a number we are been given.
The RTE has in no way investigated how many people have had to give their kids less and less food for the choice of hunger or losing their homes because of the banks failures.
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I hope people see what I am saying about how the Government has more control over our lives than they make out and how this makes everyone one of the same a modern day slave. We are told 450,000 people are unemployed we paid our taxes for our dole money, our health care, our water "we pay for our water already we have done since the 80's" and they want to charge again saying that we never have paid "Do they think we forgot?" they also want to cut our health care which we have been paying for!!!
This all comes down to the Government robbing our money and telling us its to save us and create new jobs its not they are crooks.
Even the Gardi are saying it : http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=6342
Be careful on who you vote for FF = FG just the same they always have been look at the history books, the internet and old news papers.
Did you put any thought into this or is it a stream of conscious type post, because there's a huge amount of inaccuracies and mistruths in there?0 -
Where exactly in that link does it say that Anglo Irish Bank have bought Arnotts ?
Try reading what I said!Do you know what the costs would have been had Anglo failed ?
Do you? when the Government said it would cost more that was for them selfs they never gave a quote to any media!!Do you know what the knock on effects to the whole Irish banking system would have been ?
Companies fail thats what happens! Why do the Irish people have to pay the price?Why should the government pay for peoples homes? In a perfect world, it'd be nice if they did, but really, why should they? They have to look after the entire country, so if they're letting one person off on their mortgage, why aren't they letting everyone off? Why not write off every mortgage and we'll all own our own homes?
Why should the people pay to save a bank we don't want! The reason that people are losing their homes is because of failings in the Government and banking system. The Irish Government gave American companies tax breaks to come here but most of the packed up to go to Poland and China starting the recession here.Did you put any thought into this or is it a stream of conscious type post, because there's a huge amount of inaccuracies and mistruths in there?
Investigate this your self I don't show anything here that is not fact!
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Try reading what I said!
I have. You said Anglo Irish Bank bought Arnotts. They have not. Its quite simple really.Do you? when the Government said it would cost more that was for them selfs they never gave a quote to any media!!
Between 60 and 70 billion euro.Companies fail thats what happens! Why do the Irish people have to pay the price?
The Irish people have to pay the price because the Irish Government guaranteed (through the Bank Guarantee Scheme) that they would.Why should the people pay to save a bank we don't want! The reason that people are losing their homes is because of failings in the Government and banking system. The Irish Government gave American companies tax breaks to come here but most of the packed up to go to Poland and China starting the recession here.
Of course, yes. It was the banks fault. It had nothing to do with the country becoming completely uncompetitive.I don't show anything here that is not fact!
That not entirely factual.0 -
Investigate this your self I don't show anything here that is not fact!
That's a lie. Why don't you investigate this stuff for "your self" because it's clear you don't even have a basic understanding of what you're talking about.not to long ago the owner of Anglo Irish went bankrupt
The owner of Anglo? Really? Who was that now?Anglo buy's Arnotts store and fears over 1000 will lose their jobs because of it.
Um, no they didn't, and also your second statment isn't true either.More.. The Irish Government buys up stakes in Irish companies 29% of Aer Lingus is owned by the Government it has done since its the company started.
This isn't very clear, are you saying the irish gov bought a stake in aer lingus and that it's always owned 29%? Because neither of those statements are true.This means they get 29% of the profits each year where has all this money gone too?
No it doesn't, and the answer to your second question is very simple, I'm surprised you haven't investigated it?Some of the companies the Irish Government owns stakes in : Guinness, RTE
Neither of these are companies.which would have a massive amount of revenue each year.
Do you know the difference between revenue and profit?Examples : http://www.irishrail.ie/projects/dart_underground.asp The under ground dart system being paid buy the Government but why is the Government paying the fee's for a company that is able to pay its own way in expanding?
The answer to this is very simple, did you not investigate this either?Our Government is going around paying for companies to expand on stupid little expansions that do not expand into other markets "Other Countries" only in so called infrastructure which brings in no money whats so ever.
If you had investigated this you wouldn't say things like thisThe RTE is partially owned buy the Government
Um, no it's not.The Government takes loans from the EU it has done for years if you know anyone going to collage and if they have applied for a grant that grant is funded by the EU its stated on the Grant confirmation letter.
That's not a loan.this means they will not say anything to the Government to make them angry to put it in a nice way but this means they will only tell a story the way the Government would have it told.
Are you eight or something? Are you saying the government exercises strict censorship?I hope people see what I am saying about how the Government has more control over our lives than they make out and how this makes everyone one of the same a modern day slave.
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I have. You said Anglo Irish Bank bought Arnotts. They have not. Its quite simple really.
Highlight that text for me I also gave you the link to the Yahoo news page read it!.
The Irish Times says that : But there are no real figures only speculation Anglo had been failing for over a decade pumped with money because of the Government. To close down Anglo all they had to do was transfer the money to other banks and that would have given the other banks profits.Between 60 and 70 billion euro.
The share holders all know the ricks of owning shares so they know what comes with owning shares "They might gain / lose value or fail"The Irish people have to pay the price because the Irish Government guaranteed (through the Bank Guarantee Scheme) that they would.
And it all comes back to Anglo, the Government owns shares when a company needs help the Government loses money so they passed that bill so they would not have to use their own money but tax payers money.Of course, yes. It was the banks fault. It had nothing to do with the country becoming completely uncompetitive.
Yes I agree, banks, contractors, American companies. Do you know how hard it is to get a business loan in this country? yet contractors and other big businesses can. These are all close to the Governments chest. Building thousands of houses and Apartments was encouraged by the Government there are more homes and apartments to people in this country.
And this all comes back to Anglo the business bank. "was once the peoples bank but because it was failing for over a decade its only business serving"
Note none of the big contractors that owe millions lose their homes but normal tax payers do!! People who lost their jobs because of companies going bust or moving to other countries. "Companies don't want to be hear now is because not many people have the extra funds to spend on buying their products"
The Government does not invest in companies that could make products to export but they do want to build roads and homes why is that. There are a lot of contractors pulling the shots in Government.0 -
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This isn't very clear, are you saying the irish gov bought a stake in aer lingus and that it's always owned 29%? Because neither of those statements are true.
http://www.irelandinformationguide.com/Aer_Lingus
Try investigating instead of protecting the Government and the rest of your comments I have to laugh at try investigating!!!0 -
http://www.irelandinformationguide.com/Aer_Lingus
Try investigating instead of protecting the Government and the rest of your comments I have to laugh at try investigating!!!
Ok, now it's clear you're obviously trolling, because there's no possible way someone can be this dim.0 -
phantom_lord wrote: »Ok, now it's clear you're obviously trolling, because there's no possible way someone can be this dim.
Sounds like your talking about your self.0 -
I don't think there is a conspiracy per say, just shockingly bad politicians, governing over a nation rife with begrudgery, back-handers, and a sore lack of vision.0
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Sorry must agree with the op last comment,i would never call someone dim as you have but i do believe the word trolling fits.All i am seeing is counter posts that say in general.."thats not true".. "thats a lie"
As someone impartial to the convo im finding it very hard to see where you are getting your information from phantomlord.Can you please be a bit more forthcoming with where your getting your information so i can decide for myself as appose to taking your word for it.0 -
I don't think there is a conspiracy per say, just shockingly bad politicians, governing over a nation rife with begrudgery, back-handers, and a sore lack of vision.
Im not so sure to be honest.Goldman and Sach has been linked to the greece incident through the chairman that spoke at a meeting to "help" the country with finance and was hosted by the bank of Greece.
Few years later and Greece is in a bad way financially.(there is a thread here on it afaik)
Now whats interesting at the time i was researching the Greece and Goldman Sach thing is that i found out it was either rockefeller or Goldman Sach themselves who soo nafter The greece incident hit were then advising NAMA!
Who wants advice from someone who took down the Greek economy!
Theres possibly a conspiracy here somewhere imo.And its got to do with alot of money changing hands.0 -
phantom_lord wrote: »Ok, now it's clear you're obviously trolling, because there's no possible way someone can be this dim.Sounds like your talking about your self.
Behave and don't make it personal!0 -
Sorry must agree with the op last comment,i would never call someone dim as you have but i do believe the word trolling fits.All i am seeing is counter posts that say in general.."thats not true".. "thats a lie"
As someone impartial to the convo im finding it very hard to see where you are getting your information from phantomlord.Can you please be a bit more forthcoming with where your getting your information so i can decide for myself as appose to taking your word for it.
which one do you want me to explain? there was far too many mistakes in the op for me to go through each one in detail. plus if he can't grasp that anglo hasn't bought arnotts or understand my question about aer lingus i'm wasting my time.0 -
phantom_lord wrote: »which one do you want me to explain? there was far too many mistakes in the op for me to go through each one in detail. plus if he can't grasp that anglo hasn't bought arnotts or understand my question about aer lingus i'm wasting my time.
Anglo buy's Arnotts store READ : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100728/tuk-anglo-irish-bank-to-take-over-store-e1cd776.html
Aer Lingus :
http://www.independent.ie/topics/Aer+Lingus+Group+plc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aer_Lingus
http://www.irelandinformationguide.com/Aer_Lingus
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This is the specific question I asked you:This isn't very clear, are you saying the irish gov bought a stake in aer lingus and that it's always owned 29%?Anglo buy's Arnotts store READ : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100728/tuk-anglo-irish-bank-to-take-over-store-e1cd776.html
That is not buying Arnotts. They're taking control of it as it's unable to pay it's debts. That's very different. It's the same as the bank taking someone's house after they default on a mortgage,
That's why none of this quote makes any sense:Anglo buy's Arnotts store and fears over 1000 will lose their jobs because of it. Why is a bank that cant pay its own bills going around buy property?0 -
phantom_lord wrote: »This is the specific question I asked you:
That is not buying Arnotts. They're taking control of it as it's unable to pay it's debts. That's very different. It's the same as the bank taking someone's house after they default on a mortgage,
That's why none of this quote makes any sense:
I never said they where buying Arnotts I was simply coping the headline from Yahoo news maybe you should have read it instead of going on a crusade of deny deny deny.
Aer Lingus
When the company was started in 1939 they owned 14% not long after that it was increased to 16% and now 29% either way its money the Irish people never saw again! and all the revenue built up over the years.
If your question is do the Government own 29% Aer Lingus yes they do!!!0 -
I never said they where buying Arnotts
Eh?Anglo buy's Arnotts store and fears over 1000 will lose their jobs because of it. Why is a bank that cant pay its own bills going around buy property?I was simply coping the headline from Yahoo news maybe you should have read it instead of going on a crusade of deny deny deny.
orly?yahoo wrote:Anglo Irish Bank to take over storeAer Lingus
When the company was started in 1939 they owned 14% not long after that it was increased to 16% and now 29% either way its money the Irish people never saw again! and all the revenue built up over the years.
Um, no. I think you're forgetting something really important in the history of Aer Lingus, maybe you should investigate that?
Along with everything else I've quoted in your post.If your question is do the Government own 29% Aer Lingus yes they do!!!
Read my question again. And the answer to the question you wrote here is actually no, they don't.0 -
Yes they do own part of Aer Lingus 29%
See I'm a person who watch's the stock markets and Aer Lingus was a company I was watching because it could be a good investment when the company first went onto the stock market the shares where priced at €10 with a minimum of €10,000 worth shares could be bought, So I rang just to see what they had planned for the future in terms of business expansions and to know if the price would be allowed to fluctuate "the €10,000 minimum"
I asked where they partially owned by the Government as investigating I found the same three references I gave you and knowing this becomes a safety net when buying into Irish companies "Knowing how the Government operates" I was told they where from them selfs that Aer Lingus is partially owned by the Government.
So ring tomorrow and look over the three refs I gave you.0 -
Am I the only one who doesn't see what conspiracy the OP is on about
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HavingCrack wrote: »Am I the only one who doesn't see what conspiracy the OP is on about
nope you are not alone,0 -
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