Should we revolt???

Shea O'Meara

feelingstressed wrote: »

Politicians are hardly unique for that.
Sure many tradesmen are following their family business and certainly that area is where most cash in hand jobs with a nudge and wink go on.

Publicans, teachers, soldiers, doctors, lots of people follow the family tradition

Publicans, teachers, soldiers and doctors are not paid to run your country on your behalf.

feelingstressed wrote: »

If a son or daughter of a politician wants to be elected, they do the same election as anybody else.
If you're a better candidate then them they apply for it or find someone you want

And the family name and party connections carry no sway?

GarlicBread

A revolt sounds good but a general election sounds just as good and would have a similar effect. Problem is we are unable to trigger an election cause the current crowd are dug in so we have to wait for over another year.

Its painful to think of how much more damage can be caused in that period but there dosent look like any alternative other than waiting.

Iwasfrozen

GarlicBread wrote: »

A revolt sounds good but a general election sounds just as good and would have a similar effect. Problem is we are unable to trigger an election cause the current crowd are dug in so we have to wait for over another year.

Its painful to think of how much more damage can be caused in that period but there dosent look like any alternative other than waiting.

I hate to be the person to burst your bubble but the other crowd are just as bad. I advise emigrating.

dsmythy

When you are complaining about politicans you are complaining about people who elected them. You can wheel out the word 'banker' and 'fatcats' all you want but at the end of the day this is what we have voted for and what we are getting. The best revolt is the one in the ballot box.

Fighting Irish

social welfare needs to be cut, €200 a week is crazy money

charlemont

Fighting Irish wrote: »

social welfare needs to be cut, €200 a week is crazy money

try living on it you dick head, actually its 196 weekly im paying 45 rent out of it so im left on 151 a week iv airtricity and car insurance to pay clothes kids school books etc , ya smart ass .. it would be crazy money if our country didnt have crazy prices ...it cause of ignorants like you our country is so badly run..

Hazlittle

charlemont wrote: »

try living on it you dick head, actually its 196 weekly im paying 45 rent out of it so im left on 151 a week iv airtricity and car insurance to pay clothes kids school books etc , ya smart ass .. it would be crazy money if our country didnt have crazy prices ...it cause of ignorants like you our country is so badly run..

Not my fault you had kids.

twitch1984

Fighting Irish wrote: »

social welfare needs to be cut, €200 a week is crazy money

You obviously have'nt tried living on it for a while.

dan_d

hitbit wrote: »

I agree but we would need to dig up Mick Collins to lead us because there's no one else. We Irish have a history of being ruled over and so have evolved to like others telling us what to do, tipping the cap mentality, We had the English who DeValera replaced with the Church followed by the EU. There have been countless times when we had the opportunity to take to the streets and confront a worthless Fianna Fiddle party who blatantly ignored the wishes of the people, Lisbon, Fianna Fiddle lose and we have a second vote, Fianna Fiddle win, no second vote ????. The dirty filthy f****** in the church whom Fianna Fiddle did their utmost best to defend while putting their victims through hell (The scumbag compensation board treat the innocent victims as if they were the guilty ones). A man who works with my wife got a p*** €40,000 for years of rape and beatings. He said he was sorry he ever complained as the board were disgustingly hostile to him and made him feel like the guilty party. He gave the lot to charity, fair play to him. The gangster Bankers and Builders whom Fianna Fiddle are protecting like a mother hen. The politicians found guilty of drunken driving, assault, theft etc whom Fianna Fiddle defended on the ah sure anyone can make a mistake he's really a lovely lad so we'll let him off with a little smack on the a*** followed by the application of tons of cold cream. Lawlor got a time delay on prison so he could take his holliers for f*** sake. Redmond openly laughed at us. The average citizen gets caught without a TV licence and the Fiddlers are calling for disembowelment. I could go on and on but suffice to say we are not the French we are the submissive Irish who prefare to watch, moan and tut tut. ie The Irish reaction to being served crap food is to say nothing and console themselves with the old " we won't come here again s****. The French would shove the crap food up the chef's. So we will moan about losing our homes, jobs and having to suffer a huge drop in our standard of living as Fianna Fiddle STEAL our money to bale their cronies out and allow them stay cozy in their multi million euro palaces. Ah yes we will moan but we will do nothing because we are nothing, nothing at all.

PPP
Previously Proud Paddy

Even the french realised they couldn't let their betters get away with that and....voila!Madame la Guillotine!

I don't deny you're right, but things need to change, and now's as good a time as any.

Coillte_Bhoy

Shea O'Meara wrote: »

Publicans, teachers, soldiers and doctors are not paid to run your country on your behalf.


And the family name and party connections carry no sway?

Of course they do but you cant go proscribing people form standing for election because of their family background ffs.

Fighting Irish

charlemont wrote: »

try living on it you dick head, actually its 196 weekly im paying 45 rent out of it so im left on 151 a week iv airtricity and car insurance to pay clothes kids school books etc , ya smart ass .. it would be crazy money if our country didnt have crazy prices ...it cause of ignorants like you our country is so badly run..

It's not the countries fault you had kids and ****

Fighting Irish

twitch1984 wrote: »

You obviously have'nt tried living on it for a while.

I have, it's made to survive on, that's it, i survived easy but i don't have kids. Maybe people should start saving for a rainy day when they have jobs

Playboy

charlemont wrote: »

try living on it you dick head, actually its 196 weekly im paying 45 rent out of it so im left on 151 a week iv airtricity and car insurance to pay clothes kids school books etc , ya smart ass .. it would be crazy money if our country didnt have crazy prices ...it cause of ignorants like you our country is so badly run..

It is crazy money! Why do you expect people to subsidise your life? I work 50-60 hours a week and I cant afford to have a car or kids. Why do I need to pay for your car and kids out of money I earned? What planet are people like you living on. People in England get £60 a week dole money compared to your €200! I'm sorry if you lost a job or never had a job in the first place... life must be tough but €200 is fantastic compared to most countries in the world. Do you not get childrens allowance, rent allowance and free medical on top of that €200 and get to put your name on a housing list? Do you not also a fuel allowance in Winter?


People talking about revolting should wake up... You are as bad as the moaners in Greece. People who study hard, work hard, and make intelligent decisions about their career and lives generally get rewarded. We live in a capitalist society... why should wealthy people feel guilty about earning more and end up paying extorinate amounts of tax so subsidise people who think society owes them something. Newsflash... the world or society doesnt owe you anything so try and get rid of your misguided sense of entitlement.

zuroph

I'm revolting. Haven't had a shower for 3 days.

Iwasfrozen

Playboy wrote: »

It is crazy money! Why do you expect people to subsidise your life? I work 50-60 hours a week and I cant afford to have a car or kids. Why do I need to pay for your car and kids out of money I earned?

Well if your working that long and can't afford a car or kids then you should either rethink your career or mortgage because one of them is fishy.

Playboy wrote: »

What planet are people like you living on. People in England get £60 a week dole money compared to your €200! I'm sorry if you lost a job or never had a job in the first place... life must be tough but €200 is fantastic compared to most countries in the world. Do you not get childrens allowance, rent allowance and free medical on top of that €200 and get to put your name on a housing list? Do you not also a fuel allowance in Winter?

Not everyone on social welfare gets those extra benifites.

Playboy wrote: »

People talking about revolting should wake up... You are as bad as the moaners in Greece. People who study hard, work hard, and make intelligent decisions about their career and lives generally get rewarded. We live in a capitalist society... why should wealthy people feel guilty about earning more and end up paying extorinate amounts of tax so subsidise people who think society owes them something. Newsflash... the world or society doesnt owe you anything so try and get rid of your misguided sense of entitlement.

And there's were you make the mistake by assuming that only hard work gets one to the top without any luck involved. Perhaps you should rephrase your question as "why should the lucky subsidise the unlucky?"

Doesn't sound as nice now, does it?

Playboy

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well if your working that long and can't afford a car or kids then you should either rethink your career or mortgage because one of them is fishy.

I think I'm being prudent... not having kids until I am financially secure enough to afford to give them a good quality of life... its a pity more people dont do that instead of jumping in when they are too young and getting in over their heads financially.

I have a good career but trying to repay student debt plus save for a deposit on a house plus living in a very expensive city plus the cost of public travel is not cheap. Cars and kids are something I cant afford until later in my career. I work 50-60 hours per week in my career to try and move my career forward so I can afford cars & kids at some point in the future.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Not everyone on social welfare gets those extra benifites.

But the majority are or am I mistaken? The point remains that social welfare in Ireland is extremely generous in comparison to most western countries.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

And there's were you make the mistake by assuming that only hard work gets one to the top without any luck involved. Perhaps you should rephrase your question as "why should the lucky subsidise the unlucky?"

Doesn't sound as nice now, does it?

I'm not making any mistake. Most people who get ahead or get to the top have got there because of hard work. I think someone once said that the harder you work the luckier you get! Pure chance or luck accounts only for a tiny minority of people at the top apart from people who have inherited wealth. People who get ahead in their life you will find dont really entertain concepts such as lucky or unlucky... they usually believe that they are in control of their lives. People who dont get ahead like to blame the world around them for their circumstances... thats usually why they dont get ahead. I think the theory is known as locus of control See here

Rockery Woman

charlemont wrote: »

try living on it you dick head, actually its 196 weekly im paying 45 rent out of it so im left on 151 a week iv airtricity and car insurance to pay clothes kids school books etc , ya smart ass .. it would be crazy money if our country didnt have crazy prices ...it cause of ignorants like you our country is so badly run..

My other half was means tested and they gave him E94 per week - after working full time for 30 years its beyond a joke.

twitch1984

Playboy wrote: »

It is crazy money! Why do you expect people to subsidise your life? I work 50-60 hours a week and I cant afford to have a car or kids. Why do I need to pay for your car and kids out of money I earned? What planet are people like you living on. People in England get £60 a week dole money compared to your €200! I'm sorry if you lost a job or never had a job in the first place... life must be tough but €200 is fantastic compared to most countries in the world. Do you not get childrens allowance, rent allowance and free medical on top of that €200 and get to put your name on a housing list? Do you not also a fuel allowance in Winter?


People talking about revolting should wake up... You are as bad as the moaners in Greece. People who study hard, work hard, and make intelligent decisions about their career and lives generally get rewarded. We live in a capitalist society... why should wealthy people feel guilty about earning more and end up paying extorinate amounts of tax so subsidise people who think society owes them something. Newsflash... the world or society doesnt owe you anything so try and get rid of your misguided sense of entitlement.

Cost of living in england is only a fraction of here
No i dont get anything extra, I get a gp visit card which means i dont have to pay the doctor but have to pay for tablets, which are the dearest in europe
NO i dont get fuel allowance, i pay for my coal and blocks,

people have this perception that anyone on benifets have a great time, and yes some people do but alot of people were working up until the boom ended and still have loans and bills to pay. I want to work but every job i apply for is either gone or im told because i worked in the building industry i dont need it because i made enough during the boom which is bollix,

dont tar eveyrone with the same brush

aniaaneczka

Playboy wrote: »

People who study hard, work hard, and make intelligent decisions about their career and lives generally get rewarded. We live in a capitalist society...

playboy, people who study and work hard in greece, germany and in an increasing number of other places do work for 5-10 EUR an hour and are fired if they don't like or cannot work for 5 people. This is capitalism and its coming to Ireland right now as well.

Stop playing and stop being a boy. I bet you lived in your parents' house till you were 40 hence you continue to be out of touch with the reality.

aniaaneczka

Playboy wrote: »

rk. I think someone once said that the harder you work the luckier you get!

Sure. Thats why the Japanese have the highest suicide rate in the world. Well the chinese might join them soon with those factory workers killing themselves in big numbers (you've maybe heard of it, maybe not). In Europe we may face the same fate soon: you don't like working for 5 people on minimum wage, go kill yourself.

By the way, I'm not sure if you noticed: its not the rich subsidizing anyone, its us all the taxpayers subsidizing them. Ever heard of the bank bailouts? Get your facts right, boy.

andrewire

twitch1984 wrote: »

Just a quick question to see what peoples opinions are.
If the government hit the social budget again(the poorer people in society) should we as a nation stand up and be counted while these fat cats live the high life?????

Yes. [We] Irish people are so passive when it comes to political stuff. I'm sure most people are feeling outraged by this government's actions, but they just limit themselves to a conversation at home over a cup of tea.

Why not expressing your thoughts on the streets? Man, we need the French to teach us some how-to-be-a-citizen stuff.

pablo_escobar

andrewire wrote:

Yes. [We] Irish people are so passive when it comes to political stuff. I'm sure most people are feeling outraged by this government's actions, but they just limit themselves to a conversation at home over a cup of tea.

Why not expressing your thoughts on the streets? Man, we need the French to teach us some how-to-be-a-citizen stuff.

I was hopin not to get one of these pathetic posts.

Here we have a man, his parents deserted him.

Give him the benefit of the doubt but don't forget he's total ****ing loser.

Firefox11

andrewire wrote: »

Yes. [We] Irish people are so passive when it comes to political stuff. I'm sure most people are feeling outraged by this government's actions, but they just limit themselves to a conversation at home over a cup of tea.

Why not expressing your thoughts on the streets? Man, we need the French to teach us some how-to-be-a-citizen stuff.

Better yet..why not get the Greeks, they are pros at "taking to the streets":rolleyes:

pablo_escobar

I give you too much credit, andrewire.

Here's a challenge. .. if one would call it.

Life is short.

feicim

Playboy wrote: »

It is crazy money! Why do you expect people to subsidise your life? I work 50-60 hours a week and I cant afford to have a car or kids.

That sounds like a **** job. Maybe you should quit it and go on the dole and get the "crazy money".

changes

Yeah anymore of the sneeky underhand changes like April 09 budget when someones taxable income goes over €500 they see a massive increase in PRSI. Ending up earning a good deal less than they would be if their taxable income was €499 per week.

Its squeezing the ordinary worker like this that angers me.

dsmythy

feicim wrote: »

That sounds like a **** job. Maybe you should quit it and go on the dole and get the "crazy money".

I guess not everyone is so inclined to take the easy way out and would rather stay productive.

Frogeye

Firefox11 wrote: »

Better yet..why not get the Greeks, they are pros at "taking to the streets":rolleyes:

yup,the greeks are the shizzle dizzel when it comes to protests. Throwing petrol bombs and killing innocent people has never been tried in Ireland..... Greece, home of democracy!

the_dark_side

worth a watch... this guy 'jbyeats' has been a stock trader for 30 years + and has a great channel on youtube. He looses his temper here a bit, but you can see why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cczIYgDnX0

old_aussie

charlemont wrote: »

yes its about time we did something, they ruined the country.......

And who voted them into power??