Mdma slowly making it's way back to therapy sessions..

As everyone should know, mdma used to be used for various therapies before being outlawed by the powers that be. Now it's finally being recognised again.

Article: http://www.alternet.org/story/147624/80_of_posttraumatic_stress_sufferers_lost_symptoms_after_taking_ecstasy__studys_results?page=1
Report: http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2010/07/14/0269881110378371.full.pdf+html

80% of Post-Traumatic Stress Sufferers Lost Symptoms After Taking Ecstasy -- Study's Results

After MDMA-assisted psychotherapy, over 80% of sufferers from post traumatic stress disorder no longer met the diagnostic criteria for PTSD, as compared to only 25% in the control group. This study, just released, was conducted by Michael Mithoefer, M.D. (and his colleagues) and is published in the peer-reviewed Journal of Psychopharmacology.

According to the media release, MDMA could "offer sufferers a vital window with reduced fear responses where psychotherapy can take effect." MDMA is also called Ecstasy.

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I think it's a good thing.. In the report, it says this testing was the first in two decades since it became illegal and since it's pretty much harmless in a controlled environment, I hope it happens more.

El Guapo!

Just wait for the influx of skangers claiming they have PTSD :rolleyes:

mikom

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's a good thing.. In the report, it says this testing was the first in two decades since it became illegal and since it's pretty much harmless in a controlled taxable environment

Fixed your post.

Abrasax

It used to be used in marriage guidance in the sixties, I think. A couple of doses and the love buzz melted all the problems away.

And some psycho-therapists would use it to help patients with various issues. (Alexander Shulgin wrote about he would synthesize it and supply them in the U.S., after it was made illegal, in his book PIKHAL).

It's a great drug for negaing the ego so I'd imagine it has plenty of value in psychotherapy/psychology.

Sanjuro

There are gonna be some bangin' therapy sessions in the future. Proper cathartic, like.

El Weirdo

In before the Joe Duffy Brigade.

nodgienodge

Deleted User wrote: »

As everyone should know

Why should everyone know this? You sound like you just want it legalized so you can take it without fear of being caught by the cops. Ecstacy is the most fake and stupid drug ever

dr.bollocko

Seen some things man. And some stuff.
Wouldn't recommend it.

Einhard

Deleted User wrote: »

it's pretty much harmless in a controlled environment, I hope it happens more.

Practically every substance can be rendered pretty much harmless in a controlled environment.

nodgienodge

nodgienodge wrote: »

Why should everyone know this? You sound like you just want it legalized so you can take it without fear of being caught by the cops. Ecstacy is the most fake and stupid drug ever

What's a fake drug? And we're not talking about ecstacy here.

Einhard wrote: »

Practically every substance can be rendered pretty much harmless in a controlled environment.

What's your point? I'm saying it should be tested more for therapy uses. Which is a controlled environment.

El Weirdo

El Weirdo wrote: »

In before the Joe Duffy Brigade.

nodgienodge wrote: »

Why should everyone know this? You sound like you just want it legalized so you can take it without fear of being caught by the cops. Ecstacy is the most fake and stupid drug ever

Phew. Cut it pretty fine there.

nodgienodge

Deleted User wrote: »

What's a fake drug? And we're not talking about ecstacy here.



What's your point? I'm saying it should be tested more for therapy uses. Which is a controlled environment.

I mean the effect is fake. Going around hugging everyone like like theyre your best friends even though you've never met them. Talking **** with people you'd normally never associate with. That's the kind of fake I mean. And correct me if I'm wrong but MDMA and ecstacy are the same thing are they not?? Well... except from all the extra "toppings" you get with street ecstacy such as rat poison etc. Basically if you took ecstacy without the MDMA you probably wouldn't feel much. What you're saying is like "beer and alcohol are not the same thing"

El Weirdo

nodgienodge wrote: »

I mean the effect is fake. Going around hugging everyone like like theyre your best friends even though you've never met them. Talking **** with people you'd normally never associate with. That's the kind of fake I mean.

And what the fuck is wrong with that? Better than getting pissed and doing the opposite.

Have you ever taken it?

bleg

The viability of mdma as a therapy is limited at best.

mikom

nodgienodge wrote: »

I mean the effect is fake.

The world is fake.
What is real in your head is fake in anothers.
What is fake in your head is real in anothers.
You like cake, I like crisps.

El Weirdo

mikom wrote: »

You like cake, I like crisps.

I like both.

nodgienodge

El Weirdo wrote: »

And what the fuck is wrong with that? Better than getting pissed and doing the opposite.

Have you ever taken it?

Yes I've taken it a few times. There's nothing wrong with it at the time, don't get me wrong it feels great.. It's the feeling afterwards when it wears off and you feel like a total prat. I've done some stupid things when I took this drug but now that I'm older and wiser I realize what a thick I must have looked like. Still dancing like a madman while off my head with the music blasting it a good feeling but all this BS about using it for therapy and counselling.... :P:P:P Good luck hippies :P:P:P

Having spent a few years in the real world I can tell you I get a lot more fullfillment from not bothering with drugs but living my life instead. I felt the same way as you when I was about 19-20, I was really pro-drug but looking back I was actaully just really depressed and drugs were just an escape. Sad really. Anyway enjoy popping your pills

mikom

El Weirdo wrote: »

I like both.

Ahh, I see you've played cakey crispy before.

Captain Darling

Sanjuro wrote: »

There are gonna be some bangin' therapy sessions in the future. Proper cathartic, like.

I'm going to get all yolked up and find myself.....

......in Ibiza.

nodgienodge

nodgienodge wrote: »

And correct me if I'm wrong but MDMA and ecstacy are the same thing are they not?? Well... except from all the extra "toppings" you get with street ecstacy such as rat poison etc. Basically if you took ecstacy without the MDMA you probably wouldn't feel much. What you're saying is like "beer and alcohol are not the same thing"

They're effectively the same but mdma is much much cleaner.
And ecstacy rarely has mdma in it..
http://www.ecstasydata.org/

nodgienodge wrote: »

Having spent a few years in the real world I can tell you I get a lot more fullfillment from not bothering with drugs but living your life instead. I felt the same way as you when I was about 19-20, I was really pro-drug but looking back I was actaully just really depressed and drugs were just an escape. Sad really. Anyway enjoy popping your pills

Enjoy your horse.

dan719

nodgienodge wrote: »

Having spent a few years in the real world I can tell you I get a lot more fullfillment from not bothering with drugs but living my life instead. I felt the same way as you when I was about 19-20, I was really pro-drug but looking back I was actaully just really depressed and drugs were just an escape. Sad really. Anyway enjoy popping your pills

If I ever type this, or something to this effect, I hereby give boardsies permission to kick me in the head. You sound like a total cliche used in anti drug campaigns. :rolleyes:

bleg

MDMA is the shortened "generic" name, ecstasy is the "brand" name.

nodgienodge

mikom wrote: »

The world is fake.
What is real in your head is fake in anothers.
What is fake in your head is real in anothers.
You like cake, I like crisps.

You've got my number there, buddy. I've just chomped down a bunch of choc muffins and cherry bakewells not to mention 2 of mr. kipling's finest fare. Bravo bud!

weiland79

nodgienodge wrote: »

Why should everyone know this? You sound like you just want it legalized so you can take it without fear of being caught by the cops. Ecstacy is the most fake and stupid drug ever

What are you taking about? I love you man, i mean i reeeeeeeeealy love you!

nodgienodge

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Enjoy your horse.

OK you've lost me altogether now. I never mentioned a horse. This conversation is about as meaningfull as one of the ones I used to have when I took ecstacy

MBNA is not ecstacy??!! I don't really give a ****. I'm off to score some heroine

weiland79

nodgienodge wrote: »

OK you've lost me altogether now. I never mentioned a horse. This conversation is about as meaningfull as one of the ones I used to have when I took ecstacy

MBNA is not ecstacy??!! I don't really give a ****. I'm off to score some heroine

Your going off to make out with a female super hero?

nodgienodge

nodgienodge wrote: »

MBNA is not ecstacy??!!

Of course it's not, it's a bank.

El Weirdo

nodgienodge wrote: »

OK you've lost me altogether now. I never mentioned a horse.

He's on about the horse you are sat on. The high one.

Terry

nodgienodge wrote: »

OK you've lost me altogether now. I never mentioned a horse. This conversation is about as meaningfull as one of the ones I used to have when I took ecstacy

MBNA is not ecstacy??!! I don't really give a ****. I'm off to score some heroine

Awesome.

nodgienodge

dan719 wrote: »

If I ever type this, or something to this effect, I hereby give boardsies permission to kick me in the head. You sound like a total cliche used in anti drug campaigns. :rolleyes:

Ok you're obviously somebody who loves taking ecstacy and would like it legalised but how far would you go to make it legal? Would you march outside the dail? Would you go up against armed riot police?

Ask yourself this: Are you defending your freedom to take drugs or are you defending the drug itself because you get a feeling from it that you can't get in the real world?

If the answer is the former..I salute you. If it's the latter you have a real problem.

PS. I'm not anti-drug I'm pro-freedom. Is lying in an alleyway with a needle in your arm freedom? You're nothing but a rebellious fool.

mikom

nodgienodge wrote: »

MBNA is not ecstacy??

Terms of use.
Past performance of an drug is not necessarily indicative of its performance in the future.
The value of your high may rise as well as fall.
Please consult an independent dealer before undertaking any such investment.

nodgienodge

weiland79 wrote: »

Your going off to make out with a female super hero?

Sounds like a plan

El Weirdo

nodgienodge wrote: »

Is lying in an alleyway with a needle in your arm freedom?

Most people don't inject Ecstasy. They find that pills are far handier.

wylo

nodgienodge, your right to an extent, it is fake, but if it can be used as a tool to open up and not hold back anything in a psychotherapy session, then what harm.
For something thats so fake , you can be brutally honest to people when your half mangled raising your jaw while sitting on a couch.

nodgienodge

nodgienodge wrote: »

Are you defending your freedom to take drugs or are you defending the drug itself because you get a feeling from it that you can't get in the real world?

If the answer is the former..I salute you. If it's the latter you have a real problem.

I believe the only way to get that much seratonin released in the real world is a marathon sex session while devouring Kinder Buenos. As you can imagine, this is very awkward while socialising so i'll stick with the drugs.

HavingCrack

Out of curiosity what were the effects on the 20% of soldiers who did not experience an improvement in their condition??? Did MDMA just have no effect whatsoever or were there negative side effects???

nodgienodge

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I believe the only way to get that much seratonin released in the real world is a marathon sex session while devouring Kinder Buenos. As you can imagine, this is very awkward while socialising so i'll stick with the drugs.

Let me introduce you to my little friend heroine

No but seriously sex and drugs (including kinder buenos) aren't the only 2 sources of pleasure in this world. And serotonin (note the "o") isn't the only brain chemical that makes you happy. I mean sooner or later your serotonin level needs to go up again once you're bored with the buzz you have. Inner peace and a fit and healthy body are a lot more long-lasting and powerful than elevated serotonin for an hour or so. You can't win marathons or kick ass in sales or business or sport with an ecstacy pill in your back pocket. I really do hate this drug in particular. I don't know why, The people who take it are usually really secretive about it. At least cokeheads and smackheads are honest about what they do but ecstacy users... ugh!...they're the same ****ing smug arrogant people who wear glasses and turtlenecks and work in video libraries and think they know everything when they fail to realise the very obvious fact that they're working in a video library. I know I'm spitting out stereotypes here but I'm just what saying with everyone's thinking.

Edit: If you still don't know what I mean listen to "I'm your pusher" and "Ya played yourself" by Ice-T. A rapper with a lot of ANTI-DRUG sentiment in his lyrics who still manages to somehow sound cool.

dan719

nodgienodge wrote: »

Ok you're obviously somebody who loves taking ecstacy and would like it legalised but how far would you go to make it legal? Would you march outside the dail? Would you go up against armed riot police?

Ask yourself this: Are you defending your freedom to take drugs or are you defending the drug itself because you get a feeling from it that you can't get in the real world?

If the answer is the former..I salute you. If it's the latter you have a real problem.

PS. I'm not anti-drug I'm pro-freedom. Is lying in an alleyway with a needle in your arm freedom? You're nothing but a rebellious fool.

WTF? Armed Riot Police? Are you reading 1984 at the minute?

What an odd post.

People like taking drugs. They will continue to take them regardless of your opinion of the legality or otherwise of the same. Why worry about it?

dan719

nodgienodge wrote: »

Let me introduce you to my little friend heroine

No but seriously sex and drugs (including kinder buenos) aren't the only 2 sources of pleasure in this world. But getting back to ecstacy in particular. I really do hate this drug in particular. The people who take it are usually the same ****ing smug arrogant people who wear glasses and turtlenecks and work in video libraries and think they know everything when they fail to realise the very obvious fact that they're working in a video library. I know I'm spitting out stereotypes here but I'm just what saying with everyone's thinking. I'm a very very very very very good judge of character

TBH you just sound like a bit of an a***hole.

And it's heroin.

weiland79

Glasses and turtle necks? WTF are you talking about?

Yakult

nodgienodge wrote: »

PS. I'm not anti-drug I'm pro-freedom. Is lying in an alleyway with a needle in your arm freedom? You're nothing but a rebellious fool.

Well ya, that is freedom. Too bad the cops come and arrest you taking that freedom away.

I've read all your posts in this thread, I lol'd.

Elevator

in my opinion this is indeed great news for all sorts of people suffering with mental issues,

there is most definately a great deal (no pun intended) MDMA can do to bring people out of their shells

viva le MDMA \ö/

Elevator

nodgienodge wrote: »

Let me introduce you to my little friend heroine

and with a name nodgie nodge you must be a dope fiend yourself?

wylo

Elevator wrote: »

in my opinion this is indeed great news for all sorts of people suffering with mental issues,

there is most definately a great deal (no pun intended) MDMA can do to bring people out of their shells

viva le MDMA \ö/

I agree, when you take mdma you lose all your insecurities and inhibitions. You can say absolutely anything and not hold back. There is no better environment for that than with a psychotherapist.

mikom

nodgienodge wrote: »

they're the same ****ing smug arrogant people who wear glasses and turtlenecks and work in video libraries and think they know everything when they fail to realise the very obvious fact that they're working in a video library.

Someone suggested The Matrix Revolutions, didn't they.

nodgienodge

nodgienodge wrote: »

Let me introduce you to my little friend heroine

No but seriously sex and drugs (including kinder buenos) aren't the only 2 sources of pleasure in this world. And serotonin (note the "o") isn't the only brain chemical that makes you happy. I mean sooner or later your serotonin level needs to go up again once you're bored with the buzz you have. Inner peace and a fit and healthy body are a lot more long-lasting and powerful than elevated serotonin for an hour or so. You can't win marathons or kick ass in sales or business or sport with an ecstacy pill in your back pocket. I really do hate this drug in particular. I don't know why, The people who take it are usually really secretive about it. At least cokeheads and smackheads are honest about what they do but ecstacy users... ugh!...they're the same ****ing smug arrogant people who wear glasses and turtlenecks and work in video libraries and think they know everything when they fail to realise the very obvious fact that they're working in a video library. I know I'm spitting out stereotypes here but I'm just what saying with everyone's thinking.

Edit: If you still don't know what I mean listen to "I'm your pusher" and "Ya played yourself" by Ice-T. A rapper with a lot of ANTI-DRUG sentiment in his lyrics who still manages to somehow sound cool.

what

Piriz

nodgienodge if i was off my chomps biting the face off myself at a party after having a yokes cereal with a generous helping of MDMA sprinkled on top i still wouldn't talk to you your so full of ****!
love a bit of negative stereotyping don't ya!

i can definitely appreciate the findings of this study as i concur there are psychological /mood enhancing aspects to said drug!

Micky Dolenz

Wow, we are only a few posts in and already have gone off the original topic.

It's interesting that MDMA would be used in therapy, but what happens when you come down, sure therapy would be great craic but would it have lasting results?

Micky Dolenz

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Wow, we are only a few posts in and already have gone off the original topic.

It's interesting that MDMA would be used in therapy, but what happens when you come down, sure therapy would be great craic but would it have lasting results?

It lets the patient become calm enough for therapy to work..

Piriz

they're the same ****ing smug arrogant people who wear glasses and turtlenecks and work in video libraries and think they know everything when they fail to realise the very obvious fact that they're working in a video library.

My friend once worked in a video library. She worked there part time whilst studying a MSc in Psychotherapy and something else in Trinity College Dublin..

i'd love for her to evaluate your views, opinions and perceptions of your experiences in this thread. i tell ya it wouldn't be flattering for you. your so pathetic you derailed this thread..sham(e)!

weiland79

Piriz wrote: »

they're the same ****ing smug arrogant people who wear glasses and turtlenecks and work in video libraries and think they know everything when they fail to realise the very obvious fact that they're working in a video library.

My friend once worked in a video library. She worked there part time whilst studying a MSc in Psychotherapy and something else in Trinity College Dublin..

i'd love for her to evaluate your views, opinions and perceptions of your experiences in this thread. i tell ya it wouldn't be flattering for you. your so pathetic you derailed this thread..sham(e)!

You can make out what he's banging on about?

I haven't got a breeze.