Mdma slowly making it's way back to therapy sessions..

25-07-2010 12:16PM #1

As everyone should know, mdma used to be used for various therapies before being outlawed by the powers that be. Now it's finally being recognised again.

Article: http://www.alternet.org/story/147624/80_of_posttraumatic_stress_sufferers_lost_symptoms_after_taking_ecstasy__studys_results?page=1
Report: http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2010/07/14/0269881110378371.full.pdf+html

80% of Post-Traumatic Stress Sufferers Lost Symptoms After Taking Ecstasy -- Study's Results

After MDMA-assisted psychotherapy, over 80% of sufferers from post traumatic stress disorder no longer met the diagnostic criteria for PTSD, as compared to only 25% in the control group. This study, just released, was conducted by Michael Mithoefer, M.D. (and his colleagues) and is published in the peer-reviewed Journal of Psychopharmacology.

According to the media release, MDMA could "offer sufferers a vital window with reduced fear responses where psychotherapy can take effect." MDMA is also called Ecstasy.

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I think it's a good thing.. In the report, it says this testing was the first in two decades since it became illegal and since it's pretty much harmless in a controlled environment, I hope it happens more.

El Guapo! · 25-07-2010 12:18PM

Just wait for the influx of skangers claiming they have PTSD :rolleyes:

mikom · 25-07-2010 12:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's a good thing.. In the report, it says this testing was the first in two decades since it became illegal and since it's pretty much harmless in a controlled taxable environment

Fixed your post.

Abrasax · 25-07-2010 12:31PM

It used to be used in marriage guidance in the sixties, I think. A couple of doses and the love buzz melted all the problems away.

And some psycho-therapists would use it to help patients with various issues. (Alexander Shulgin wrote about he would synthesize it and supply them in the U.S., after it was made illegal, in his book PIKHAL).

It's a great drug for negaing the ego so I'd imagine it has plenty of value in psychotherapy/psychology.

Sanjuro · 25-07-2010 12:38PM

There are gonna be some bangin' therapy sessions in the future. Proper cathartic, like.

El Weirdo · 25-07-2010 12:44PM

In before the Joe Duffy Brigade.

nodgienodge · 25-07-2010 12:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

As everyone should know

Why should everyone know this? You sound like you just want it legalized so you can take it without fear of being caught by the cops. Ecstacy is the most fake and stupid drug ever

dr.bollocko · 25-07-2010 12:47PM

Seen some things man. And some stuff.
Wouldn't recommend it.

Einhard · 25-07-2010 12:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

it's pretty much harmless in a controlled environment, I hope it happens more.

Practically every substance can be rendered pretty much harmless in a controlled environment.

25-07-2010 12:51PM

nodgienodge wrote: »

Why should everyone know this? You sound like you just want it legalized so you can take it without fear of being caught by the cops. Ecstacy is the most fake and stupid drug ever

What's a fake drug?

And we're not talking about ecstacy here.

Einhard wrote: »

Practically every substance can be rendered pretty much harmless in a controlled environment.

What's your point? I'm saying it should be tested more for therapy uses. Which is a controlled environment.

El Weirdo · 25-07-2010 12:53PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

In before the Joe Duffy Brigade.

nodgienodge wrote: »

Why should everyone know this? You sound like you just want it legalized so you can take it without fear of being caught by the cops. Ecstacy is the most fake and stupid drug ever

Phew. Cut it pretty fine there.

nodgienodge · 25-07-2010 01:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What's a fake drug? And we're not talking about ecstacy here.

What's your point? I'm saying it should be tested more for therapy uses. Which is a controlled environment.

I mean the effect is fake. Going around hugging everyone like like theyre your best friends even though you've never met them. Talking **** with people you'd normally never associate with. That's the kind of fake I mean. And correct me if I'm wrong but MDMA and ecstacy are the same thing are they not?? Well... except from all the extra "toppings" you get with street ecstacy such as rat poison etc. Basically if you took ecstacy without the MDMA you probably wouldn't feel much. What you're saying is like "beer and alcohol are not the same thing"

El Weirdo · 25-07-2010 01:37PM

nodgienodge wrote: »

I mean the effect is fake. Going around hugging everyone like like theyre your best friends even though you've never met them. Talking **** with people you'd normally never associate with. That's the kind of fake I mean.

And what the fuck is wrong with that? Better than getting pissed and doing the opposite.

Have you ever taken it?

bleg · 25-07-2010 01:40PM

The viability of mdma as a therapy is limited at best.

mikom · 25-07-2010 01:52PM

nodgienodge wrote: »

I mean the effect is fake.

The world is fake.
What is real in your head is fake in anothers.
What is fake in your head is real in anothers.
You like cake, I like crisps.

El Weirdo · 25-07-2010 01:58PM

mikom wrote: »

You like cake, I like crisps.

I like both.

nodgienodge · 25-07-2010 01:59PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

And what the fuck is wrong with that? Better than getting pissed and doing the opposite.

Have you ever taken it?

Yes I've taken it a few times. There's nothing wrong with it at the time, don't get me wrong it feels great.. It's the feeling afterwards when it wears off and you feel like a total prat. I've done some stupid things when I took this drug but now that I'm older and wiser I realize what a thick I must have looked like. Still dancing like a madman while off my head with the music blasting it a good feeling but all this BS about using it for therapy and counselling.... :P:P:P Good luck hippies :P:P:P

Having spent a few years in the real world I can tell you I get a lot more fullfillment from not bothering with drugs but living my life instead. I felt the same way as you when I was about 19-20, I was really pro-drug but looking back I was actaully just really depressed and drugs were just an escape. Sad really. Anyway enjoy popping your pills

mikom · 25-07-2010 02:02PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

I like both.

Ahh, I see you've played cakey crispy before.

Captain Darling · 25-07-2010 02:04PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

There are gonna be some bangin' therapy sessions in the future. Proper cathartic, like.

I'm going to get all yolked up and find myself.....

......in Ibiza.

25-07-2010 02:04PM

nodgienodge wrote: »

And correct me if I'm wrong but MDMA and ecstacy are the same thing are they not?? Well... except from all the extra "toppings" you get with street ecstacy such as rat poison etc. Basically if you took ecstacy without the MDMA you probably wouldn't feel much. What you're saying is like "beer and alcohol are not the same thing"

They're effectively the same but mdma is much much cleaner.
And ecstacy rarely has mdma in it..
http://www.ecstasydata.org/

nodgienodge wrote: »

Having spent a few years in the real world I can tell you I get a lot more fullfillment from not bothering with drugs but living your life instead. I felt the same way as you when I was about 19-20, I was really pro-drug but looking back I was actaully just really depressed and drugs were just an escape. Sad really. Anyway enjoy popping your pills

Enjoy your horse.

dan719 · 25-07-2010 02:06PM

nodgienodge wrote: »

Having spent a few years in the real world I can tell you I get a lot more fullfillment from not bothering with drugs but living my life instead. I felt the same way as you when I was about 19-20, I was really pro-drug but looking back I was actaully just really depressed and drugs were just an escape. Sad really. Anyway enjoy popping your pills

If I ever type this, or something to this effect, I hereby give boardsies permission to kick me in the head. You sound like a total cliche used in anti drug campaigns. :rolleyes:

bleg · 25-07-2010 02:06PM

MDMA is the shortened "generic" name, ecstasy is the "brand" name.

nodgienodge · 25-07-2010 02:08PM

mikom wrote: »

The world is fake.
What is real in your head is fake in anothers.
What is fake in your head is real in anothers.
You like cake, I like crisps.

You've got my number there, buddy. I've just chomped down a bunch of choc muffins and cherry bakewells not to mention 2 of mr. kipling's finest fare. Bravo bud!

weiland79 · 25-07-2010 02:13PM

nodgienodge wrote: »

Why should everyone know this? You sound like you just want it legalized so you can take it without fear of being caught by the cops. Ecstacy is the most fake and stupid drug ever

What are you taking about? I love you man, i mean i reeeeeeeeealy love you!

nodgienodge · 25-07-2010 02:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Enjoy your horse.

OK you've lost me altogether now. I never mentioned a horse. This conversation is about as meaningfull as one of the ones I used to have when I took ecstacy

MBNA is not ecstacy??!! I don't really give a ****. I'm off to score some heroine

weiland79 · 25-07-2010 02:15PM

nodgienodge wrote: »

OK you've lost me altogether now. I never mentioned a horse. This conversation is about as meaningfull as one of the ones I used to have when I took ecstacy

MBNA is not ecstacy??!! I don't really give a ****. I'm off to score some heroine

Your going off to make out with a female super hero?

25-07-2010 02:16PM

nodgienodge wrote: »

MBNA is not ecstacy??!!

Of course it's not, it's a bank.

El Weirdo · 25-07-2010 02:17PM

nodgienodge wrote: »

OK you've lost me altogether now. I never mentioned a horse.

He's on about the horse you are sat on. The high one.

Terry · 25-07-2010 02:21PM

nodgienodge wrote: »

OK you've lost me altogether now. I never mentioned a horse. This conversation is about as meaningfull as one of the ones I used to have when I took ecstacy

MBNA is not ecstacy??!! I don't really give a ****. I'm off to score some heroine

Awesome.

nodgienodge · 25-07-2010 02:22PM

dan719 wrote: »

If I ever type this, or something to this effect, I hereby give boardsies permission to kick me in the head. You sound like a total cliche used in anti drug campaigns. :rolleyes:

Ok you're obviously somebody who loves taking ecstacy and would like it legalised but how far would you go to make it legal? Would you march outside the dail? Would you go up against armed riot police?

Ask yourself this: Are you defending your freedom to take drugs or are you defending the drug itself because you get a feeling from it that you can't get in the real world?

If the answer is the former..I salute you. If it's the latter you have a real problem.

PS. I'm not anti-drug I'm pro-freedom. Is lying in an alleyway with a needle in your arm freedom? You're nothing but a rebellious fool.

mikom · 25-07-2010 02:23PM

nodgienodge wrote: »

MBNA is not ecstacy??

Terms of use.
Past performance of an drug is not necessarily indicative of its performance in the future.
The value of your high may rise as well as fall.
Please consult an independent dealer before undertaking any such investment.

Mdma slowly making it's way back to therapy sessions..

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