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Mdma slowly making it's way back to therapy sessions..

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As everyone should know, mdma used to be used for various therapies before being outlawed by the powers that be. Now it's finally being recognised again.

Article: http://www.alternet.org/story/147624/80_of_posttraumatic_stress_sufferers_lost_symptoms_after_taking_ecstasy__studys_results?page=1
Report: http://jop.sagepub.com/content/early/2010/07/14/0269881110378371.full.pdf+html

80% of Post-Traumatic Stress Sufferers Lost Symptoms After Taking Ecstasy -- Study's Results

After MDMA-assisted psychotherapy, over 80% of sufferers from post traumatic stress disorder no longer met the diagnostic criteria for PTSD, as compared to only 25% in the control group. This study, just released, was conducted by Michael Mithoefer, M.D. (and his colleagues) and is published in the peer-reviewed Journal of Psychopharmacology.

According to the media release, MDMA could "offer sufferers a vital window with reduced fear responses where psychotherapy can take effect." MDMA is also called Ecstasy.

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I think it's a good thing.. In the report, it says this testing was the first in two decades since it became illegal and since it's pretty much harmless in a controlled environment, I hope it happens more.

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nodgienodge

weiland79 wrote: »

Your going off to make out with a female super hero?

Sounds like a plan

El Weirdo

nodgienodge wrote: »

Is lying in an alleyway with a needle in your arm freedom?

Most people don't inject Ecstasy. They find that pills are far handier.

wylo

nodgienodge, your right to an extent, it is fake, but if it can be used as a tool to open up and not hold back anything in a psychotherapy session, then what harm.
For something thats so fake , you can be brutally honest to people when your half mangled raising your jaw while sitting on a couch.

[Deleted User]

nodgienodge wrote: »

Are you defending your freedom to take drugs or are you defending the drug itself because you get a feeling from it that you can't get in the real world?

If the answer is the former..I salute you. If it's the latter you have a real problem.

I believe the only way to get that much seratonin released in the real world is a marathon sex session while devouring Kinder Buenos. As you can imagine, this is very awkward while socialising so i'll stick with the drugs.

HavingCrack

Out of curiosity what were the effects on the 20% of soldiers who did not experience an improvement in their condition??? Did MDMA just have no effect whatsoever or were there negative side effects???

nodgienodge

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe the only way to get that much seratonin released in the real world is a marathon sex session while devouring Kinder Buenos. As you can imagine, this is very awkward while socialising so i'll stick with the drugs.

Let me introduce you to my little friend heroine

No but seriously sex and drugs (including kinder buenos) aren't the only 2 sources of pleasure in this world. And serotonin (note the "o") isn't the only brain chemical that makes you happy. I mean sooner or later your serotonin level needs to go up again once you're bored with the buzz you have. Inner peace and a fit and healthy body are a lot more long-lasting and powerful than elevated serotonin for an hour or so. You can't win marathons or kick ass in sales or business or sport with an ecstacy pill in your back pocket. I really do hate this drug in particular. I don't know why, The people who take it are usually really secretive about it. At least cokeheads and smackheads are honest about what they do but ecstacy users... ugh!...they're the same ****ing smug arrogant people who wear glasses and turtlenecks and work in video libraries and think they know everything when they fail to realise the very obvious fact that they're working in a video library. I know I'm spitting out stereotypes here but I'm just what saying with everyone's thinking.

Edit: If you still don't know what I mean listen to "I'm your pusher" and "Ya played yourself" by Ice-T. A rapper with a lot of ANTI-DRUG sentiment in his lyrics who still manages to somehow sound cool.

dan719

nodgienodge wrote: »

Ok you're obviously somebody who loves taking ecstacy and would like it legalised but how far would you go to make it legal? Would you march outside the dail? Would you go up against armed riot police?

Ask yourself this: Are you defending your freedom to take drugs or are you defending the drug itself because you get a feeling from it that you can't get in the real world?

If the answer is the former..I salute you. If it's the latter you have a real problem.

PS. I'm not anti-drug I'm pro-freedom. Is lying in an alleyway with a needle in your arm freedom? You're nothing but a rebellious fool.

WTF? Armed Riot Police? Are you reading 1984 at the minute?

What an odd post.

People like taking drugs. They will continue to take them regardless of your opinion of the legality or otherwise of the same. Why worry about it?

dan719

nodgienodge wrote: »

Let me introduce you to my little friend heroine

No but seriously sex and drugs (including kinder buenos) aren't the only 2 sources of pleasure in this world. But getting back to ecstacy in particular. I really do hate this drug in particular. The people who take it are usually the same ****ing smug arrogant people who wear glasses and turtlenecks and work in video libraries and think they know everything when they fail to realise the very obvious fact that they're working in a video library. I know I'm spitting out stereotypes here but I'm just what saying with everyone's thinking. I'm a very very very very very good judge of character

TBH you just sound like a bit of an a***hole.

And it's heroin.

weiland79

Glasses and turtle necks? WTF are you talking about?

Yakult

nodgienodge wrote: »

PS. I'm not anti-drug I'm pro-freedom. Is lying in an alleyway with a needle in your arm freedom? You're nothing but a rebellious fool.

Well ya, that is freedom. Too bad the cops come and arrest you taking that freedom away.

I've read all your posts in this thread, I lol'd.

Elevator

in my opinion this is indeed great news for all sorts of people suffering with mental issues,

there is most definately a great deal (no pun intended) MDMA can do to bring people out of their shells

viva le MDMA \ö/

Elevator

nodgienodge wrote: »

Let me introduce you to my little friend heroine

and with a name nodgie nodge you must be a dope fiend yourself?

wylo

Elevator wrote: »

in my opinion this is indeed great news for all sorts of people suffering with mental issues,

there is most definately a great deal (no pun intended) MDMA can do to bring people out of their shells

viva le MDMA \ö/

I agree, when you take mdma you lose all your insecurities and inhibitions. You can say absolutely anything and not hold back. There is no better environment for that than with a psychotherapist.

mikom

nodgienodge wrote: »

they're the same ****ing smug arrogant people who wear glasses and turtlenecks and work in video libraries and think they know everything when they fail to realise the very obvious fact that they're working in a video library.

Someone suggested The Matrix Revolutions, didn't they.

[Deleted User]

nodgienodge wrote: »

Let me introduce you to my little friend heroine

No but seriously sex and drugs (including kinder buenos) aren't the only 2 sources of pleasure in this world. And serotonin (note the "o") isn't the only brain chemical that makes you happy. I mean sooner or later your serotonin level needs to go up again once you're bored with the buzz you have. Inner peace and a fit and healthy body are a lot more long-lasting and powerful than elevated serotonin for an hour or so. You can't win marathons or kick ass in sales or business or sport with an ecstacy pill in your back pocket. I really do hate this drug in particular. I don't know why, The people who take it are usually really secretive about it. At least cokeheads and smackheads are honest about what they do but ecstacy users... ugh!...they're the same ****ing smug arrogant people who wear glasses and turtlenecks and work in video libraries and think they know everything when they fail to realise the very obvious fact that they're working in a video library. I know I'm spitting out stereotypes here but I'm just what saying with everyone's thinking.

Edit: If you still don't know what I mean listen to "I'm your pusher" and "Ya played yourself" by Ice-T. A rapper with a lot of ANTI-DRUG sentiment in his lyrics who still manages to somehow sound cool.

what

Piriz

nodgienodge if i was off my chomps biting the face off myself at a party after having a yokes cereal with a generous helping of MDMA sprinkled on top i still wouldn't talk to you your so full of ****!
love a bit of negative stereotyping don't ya!

i can definitely appreciate the findings of this study as i concur there are psychological /mood enhancing aspects to said drug!

Micky Dolenz

Wow, we are only a few posts in and already have gone off the original topic.

It's interesting that MDMA would be used in therapy, but what happens when you come down, sure therapy would be great craic but would it have lasting results?

[Deleted User]

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Wow, we are only a few posts in and already have gone off the original topic.

It's interesting that MDMA would be used in therapy, but what happens when you come down, sure therapy would be great craic but would it have lasting results?

It lets the patient become calm enough for therapy to work..

Piriz

they're the same ****ing smug arrogant people who wear glasses and turtlenecks and work in video libraries and think they know everything when they fail to realise the very obvious fact that they're working in a video library.

My friend once worked in a video library. She worked there part time whilst studying a MSc in Psychotherapy and something else in Trinity College Dublin..

i'd love for her to evaluate your views, opinions and perceptions of your experiences in this thread. i tell ya it wouldn't be flattering for you. your so pathetic you derailed this thread..sham(e)!

weiland79

Piriz wrote: »

they're the same ****ing smug arrogant people who wear glasses and turtlenecks and work in video libraries and think they know everything when they fail to realise the very obvious fact that they're working in a video library.

My friend once worked in a video library. She worked there part time whilst studying a MSc in Psychotherapy and something else in Trinity College Dublin..

i'd love for her to evaluate your views, opinions and perceptions of your experiences in this thread. i tell ya it wouldn't be flattering for you. your so pathetic you derailed this thread..sham(e)!

You can make out what he's banging on about?

I haven't got a breeze.

nodgienodge

dan719 wrote: »

TBH you just sound like a bit of an a***hole.

And it's heroin.

I know that was a bit arrogant, I changed it. Yeah I know it's heroin it's just funny to keep typing heroine and watch peoples responses

nodgienodge

Deleted User wrote: »

what

It that a question or a statement? Anyone who calls themself "Ads By Google" can't be too bright in my opinion anyway. Get some fresh air

Micky Dolenz

nodgienodge, You have derailed this enough.

Do not post in this thread again.

[Deleted User]

nodgienodge wrote: »

It that a question or a statement? Anyone who calls themself "Ads By Google" can't be too bright in my opinion anyway. Get some fresh air

I think we've all established that your opinion on anything means nothing in this thread.

Anyways, back on track.. I think the tests are a good idea.

My name is URL

Anything that helps people overcome their demons is a good thing. Isn't Psilocybin (magic mushrooms) also being tested as a medicine?

nodgienodge

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

nodgienodge, You have derailed this enough.

Do not post in this thread again.

That's not fair at all. Just cos my opinion is anti-drug and nearly everyone else is pro-drug. **** off

Bowel Cancer

MDMA is good for the head. Makes you think about your life in ways that you might be a bit too repressed to normally consider.

Bowel Cancer

nodgienodge wrote: »

That's not fair at all. Just cos my opinion is anti-drug and nearly everyone else is pro-drug. **** off

Take a week off chief.

Micky Dolenz

nodgienodge wrote: »

That's not fair at all. Just cos my opinion is anti-drug and nearly everyone else is pro-drug. **** off

Banned

Kurtosis

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

It's interesting that MDMA would be used in therapy, but what happens when you come down, sure therapy would be great craic but would it have lasting results?

This is really the key issue. Sure it may help at the time for therapy, but this has to be considered against any come down effects or long term effects it could have and how these would impact on the patient's (mental) health.