Drink Driving Limit

sesna · 25-07-2010 2:39am

n0brain3r wrote: »

Got bagged a few weeks ago about 30 mins after I had a large glass of wine I'd say 330mls can't be sure of the alcohol content but was with dinner - not a huge feed. I wasn't expecting to go out but got a call and had to. I'm about 5'11" and about 14/15 stone - I call it stocky! I passed but it took a good 30-45 secs I told the guard I'd had a drink and he said I was lucky the machine usual only takes that long on a failure as it's re analyzing the sample!

Thats very interesting. Even if you had failed on the initial breathylser test though, by the time you went to station etc you may very well have metabolised any excess alcohol to bring you back down below the limit.

Just wondering if that was before the introduction of the new limits? I read somewhere that the current machines the gardai use all need to be recalibrated which will take some time. Not sure if this has been done yet.

Treehouse72 · 25-07-2010 2:46am

sesna wrote: »

We should just make the speed limit zero too, then we will have no more road accidents or deaths.

Reductio ad absurdum

Mimikyu · 25-07-2010 2:50am

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sesna · 25-07-2010 3:18am

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Ah okay, its been passed by the Oireachtas, probably has not been commenced yet. I was away and thought it had been. Think its due to come in soon, in a few weeks. Nice screen name for this discussion by the way.

Mimikyu · 25-07-2010 10:17am

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2yung2adm · 25-07-2010 11:27am

CiniO wrote: »

That has nothing to do with freedom.
If you decide to drive a car on a public road, you have to be aware, that you can be stopped anytime so gardai can check your license, insurance, tax, nct, roadworthiness of your car, and of course they can check if you are sober. That's at least what I think it should look like.

I don't mind being stooped for few minutes, if I know that because of that kind of actions, someone else will be also stopped, who might have been drunk and let's say if he wasn't stopped he could have crashed into me.

Of course it has everything to do with freedom.
Agents of the state are there to work within the constitution and the European Convention on Human rights.
Many countries are still fighting for what we take for granted.
Power to stop will nilly would set a dangerous precedent and this was taken into consideration when the random checkpoint legislation was drafted hence the necessity that they are predetermined and authorised by a rank of Inspector or higher. Failure to show that the checkpoint was so authorised will rightfully lead to failure of any cases brought before our courts.

CiniO · 25-07-2010 12:18pm

bluewolf wrote: »

If you want your pint take the bus...

Probably you forgot, that in Ireland in many rural places there is no such thing as bus, and for a taxi you might wait for a couple of hours or even you might not get it at all on a weekend night.
What are you suppose to do then?

slimjimmc · 25-07-2010 1:07pm

Arrange a lift or don't drink. Simple. There's no excuse for going for a drink and driving home, as it's totally avoidable.

CiniO · 25-07-2010 1:25pm

slimjimmc wrote: »

Arrange a lift or don't drink. Simple. There's no excuse for going for a drink and driving home, as it's totally avoidable.

Of course there is excuse - 80mg limit - so having a pint or possibly two is legal

Beside - as I said - it's avoidable in the cities and towns, not in the rural areas.

slimjimmc · 25-07-2010 1:31pm

CiniO wrote: »

Of course there is excuse - 80mg limit - so having a pint or possibly two is legal

Beside - as I said - it's avoidable in the cities and towns, not in the rural areas.

What?, you're seriously saying you can't go to a pub without avoiding drinking alcohol

Mimikyu · 25-07-2010 1:39pm

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tommyhaas · 25-07-2010 1:40pm

slimjimmc wrote: »

Arrange a lift or don't drink. Simple. There's no excuse for going for a drink and driving home, as it's totally avoidable.

You dont need an excuse, its legal. Theres nothing wrong with having a pint after work and driving home, provided you arnt over the limit

slimjimmc · 25-07-2010 1:50pm

They choose to drink and drive, they could equally have chosen not to so. The rural/urban thing is largely irrelevant because you can still socialise without having to drink (many do) although it might feel odd for a while.

Mimikyu · 25-07-2010 2:08pm

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CiniO · 25-07-2010 2:40pm

slimjimmc wrote: »

They choose to drink and drive, they could equally have chosen not to so. The rural/urban thing is largely irrelevant because you can still socialise without having to drink (many do) although it might feel odd for a while.

Me F.E. don't go to pub to socialize.
I go to pub to have a pint because i like to have a pint.
Going to pub and not having a pint would be pointless.

And to be honest I am happy that Irish law allows me to do that - have a pint and drive home.
In country that I come from, limit is 20mg, so having a pint and driving is out of discussion. There I couldn't do it, and I didn't do it. I also didn't have to do it, because there was a lots of public transport available.
Here I don't really have a choice, but I don't see anything wrong with it, as it's legal.

Thoie · 25-07-2010 3:05pm

Captain Morgan wrote: »

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Because I'd had quite a lot to drink over the space of a 6 + hours, having not had any alcohol for a number of weeks before that, and in combination with tiredness. I was obviously able to type, I just shouldn't have been in charge of a keyboard

Treehouse72 · 25-07-2010 4:46pm

I am sickened by the blasé attitude of some on this topic. "Ah sure, a pint's grand and I can drive the same on it". Such unspeakable, ignorant bollox in my opinion.

Mimikyu · 25-07-2010 4:54pm

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Treehouse72 · 25-07-2010 5:00pm

Captain Morgan wrote: »

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Because it's about more than whether one is strictly and technically breaking the law or not. It is about consciousness raising and saving people's lives.

MakaDonVeli · 25-07-2010 5:45pm

Most pubs have machines that measure the amount of alcohol in your system and if your over the limit or not.

Always give that a go before you leave.

mathepac · 25-07-2010 5:55pm

Mak_United wrote: »

Most pubs have machines that measure the amount of alcohol in your system and if your over the limit or not..

Uncalibrated, money-making rubbish.

Anyone insane (or drunk) enough to rely on these pieces of junk to tell them they are OK to dive safely, should only be allowed out with suitable supervision.

Vertakill · 25-07-2010 6:42pm

Treehouse72 wrote: »

I am sickened by the blasé attitude of some on this topic. "Ah sure, a pint's grand and I can drive the same on it". Such unspeakable, ignorant bollox in my opinion.

Treehouse72 wrote: »

Because it's about more than whether one is strictly and technically breaking the law or not. It is about consciousness raising and saving people's lives.

Based entirely on those 2 posts, I'd actually think you were the drunk one. For someone condemning ignorant bolloxs, you've made a couple blinders yourself there.

No one is ignorant, or a bollox, if they drink 1 pint and then drive. You're not going to save anyones life or raise their consciousness by choosing not to drive when faced with the option of driving or not after 1 pint. So seriously, cop the fk on.

Captain Morgan wrote: »

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I'm the very same. However, irregardless of how we 'feel' we can never be 100% sure what effect it has on our reactions and so on.

I really don't understand why someone would drive to a pub (whether it's after work or not) and have 1 solitary pint. It's not as if it's going to loosen you up and I can think of very few alcoholic drinks that might be tastier than a coke or a lucozade.

Basically, my point is that, at the current BAC levels, the risks hardly outweigh the gains of having a pint or two. And when they're lowered again, it makes even less sense to drink.

Vertakill · 25-07-2010 6:43pm

mathepac wrote: »

Anyone insane (or drunk) enough to rely on these pieces of junk to tell them they are OK to dive safely, should only be allowed out with suitable supervision.

What's your BAC supposed to be before you get done for diving under the influence? :P

Mimikyu · 25-07-2010 7:00pm

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Vertakill · 25-07-2010 7:07pm

Captain Morgan wrote: »

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I can understand wine at a meal.

I see where you're coming from but my main point was actively driving to a pub to have 1 pint.

There's a lot of eejits out there with no self discipline who'll end up drinking a 2nd or a 3rd pint once they got into the swing of things and then still expect to drive back home.

The only times I've driven to a pub, I haven't drank any alcohol as I don't see the point of drinking 1 pint.

My locals don't serve nice enough pints to warrant drinking for the taste!

tommyhaas · 25-07-2010 7:24pm

Treehouse72 wrote: »

Because it's about more than whether one is strictly and technically breaking the law or not. It is about consciousness raising and saving people's lives.

If someone is a danger on the road having consumed one pint, while still under the limit, odds are they'd still be a danger without having consumed that pint. A pint wont make fcuk all difference

2yung2adm · 25-07-2010 7:49pm

I have no problem having a pint and driving. I am perfectly aware of my capabilities. I know that my reactions are excellent.

Again I say that we need to be examined on a three year time scale to have our reactions determined and then we can be graded as to the speeds at which we can drive.

There are many drivers out there who would have reaction times of 2 or 3 on a scale of 10 without any drink whatsoever. You can see them every day.

Are these drivers not far more dangerous than a driver with reactions times of 7 or 8 on the scale after a pint.
There are many people who want to jump on the goody goody wagon without thinking things out just because it is cool to do so.

Treehouse72 · 25-07-2010 8:15pm

Vertakill wrote: »

Based entirely on those 2 posts, I'd actually think you were the drunk one. For someone condemning ignorant bolloxs, you've made a couple blinders yourself there.

No one is ignorant, or a bollox, if they drink 1 pint and then drive. You're not going to save anyones life or raise their consciousness by choosing not to drive when faced with the option of driving or not after 1 pint. So seriously, cop the fk on.

Your righteous indignation is channelled in one direction: arguing for the right to drink alcohol before driving. That's an awful grubby fight to be getting so high on your high horse about.

MakaDonVeli · 25-07-2010 8:17pm

mathepac wrote: »

Uncalibrated, money-making rubbish.

Anyone insane (or drunk) enough to rely on these pieces of junk to tell them they are OK to dive safely, should only be allowed out with suitable supervision.

Hardly.

How about you ring the Gards so you can get a breath test before your drive.

Vertakill · 25-07-2010 8:43pm

Treehouse72 wrote: »

Your righteous indignation is channelled in one direction: arguing for the right to drink alcohol before driving. That's an awful grubby fight to be getting so high on your high horse about.

That's what you pieced together from my post?

I'm on a high horse and I'm fighting for the right to drink and drive?

That's impressive reading comprehension there, especially considering you were calling everyone ignorant bolloxs a few posts back.

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