Consequence of the Ash Cloud.

orourkeda

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/ash-cloud-crisis-exposes-welfare-tourists-2245558.html


An article from today's Sunday Independent highlighting a problem with " welfare tourism"

Will it spark any investigation from the powers that be?

alan4cult

Just read that there in the paper. Fúckers

caseyann

And no one would admit it was happening,when people were saying it was.Took a flipping volcano to erupt

My name is URL

caseyann wrote: »

And no one would admit it was happening,when people were saying it was.Took a flipping volcano to erupt

Nah people were just afraid of being labeled as racist bigots.. everyone knew it was happening!

caseyann

My name is URL wrote: »

Nah people were just afraid of being labeled as racist bigots.. everyone knew it was happening!

Racism isnt telling it as it is.They had no problem complaining about Irish abroad who do it and here.But to say non national does it whole different kettle of fish.
The government and welfare need to pull up their socks quick smart.Blaming their own all time:D

orourkeda

caseyann wrote: »

And no one would admit it was happening,when people were saying it was.Took a flipping volcano to erupt

Which begs the question why do the government need a volcano eruption in Iceland to alert them to possible fraud in their own system?

caseyann

orourkeda wrote: »

Which begs the question why do the government need a volcano eruption in Iceland to alert them to possible fraud in their own system?

It shows you how crap it really is.

Sunnyisland

:cool: I was on holiday that week,and i never told them i was going,but they were ok about it:cool: and its sorted now,i have even got my old job back,driving trucks:D

Jumpy

Erm, that article doesnt really say much. It goes on at the end to say that many absentees is sort of normal. Its a slight increase during the ash cloud but not huge.
That article is sort of a waste of space.

caseyann

Jumpy wrote: »

Erm, that article doesnt really say much. It goes on at the end to say that many absentees is sort of normal. Its a slight increase during the ash cloud but not huge.
That article is sort of a waste of space.

Term,head sand come to mind

narwog81

It's increased on other weeks but it's not huge," she said.

this is a non-story IMO. maybe they were just out of the country that week and were stuck abroad...

El Weirdo

Jumpy wrote: »

Erm, that article doesnt really say much. It goes on at the end to say that many absentees is sort of normal. Its a slight increase during the ash cloud but not huge.
That article is sort of a waste of space.

^^This.

Sensationalist claptrap tbh.

Not saying that it doesn't happen but I'd bet that the instances are pretty rare.

Jumpy

caseyann wrote: »

Term,head sand come to mind

"With this figure of 3,515 there is a certain number of people every signing day that do not show up because they forget to attend," said a department spokesperson.

"They may be unwell, they may have taken up employment or a holiday, so that 3,515 would include those people as well.

"A certain number of those 3,515 would also have come back on later in the week and their payment continued as normal."

But the spokeswoman said the week of the ash-cloud crisis did show an increased number of absentees.

"It's increased on other weeks but it's not huge," she said.

*cough*

caseyann

Jumpy wrote: »

*cough*

Give me a break any at all is a joke on the country and the tax payer.And to brush it off with,ah not many is a disgrace.
cough

Jumpy

*rabble rabble*

Its Daily Mail style journalism.

http://www.b3ta.com/board/10104350

DerekDGoldfish

Biggest overeaction ever

"It's increased on other weeks but it's not huge," she said.

Im not suggesting "welfare tourism" is not existent but I would estimate that only a small minority of the 3,515 out of the 151,060 supposed to sign on. Even if 1,000 of the 3,515 were welfar tourists (which is far to hig!h an etimate) thats still far less that 1% of the total number on the dole

Find a new scaepgoat you crazed conspiracy theorists

orourkeda

caseyann wrote: »

It shows you how crap it really is.

Indeed. I would have thought that the welfare would be the first place the government would look for some of the savings they need.

orourkeda

DerekDGoldfish wrote: »

Biggest overeaction ever

Im not suggesting "welfare tourism" is not existent but I would estimate that only a small minority of the 3,515 out of the 151,060 supposed to sign on. Even if 1,000 of the 3,515 were welfar tourists (which is far to hig!h an etimate) thats still far less that 1% of the total number on the dole

Find a new scaepgoat you crazed conspiracy theorists

How do you know the problem stops at 3515?

Biggins

For those that are saying it don't go on to that degree, it does.
A family member works with a section of the immigrant community in a local area.
While the majority are law abiding, they have told him that its is a quite common racket others pull and those that are staying within the law, are ashamed of their fellow nationals doing it.

CiaranMT

DerekDGoldfish wrote: »

Biggest overeaction ever



Im not suggesting "welfare tourism" is not existent but I would estimate that only a small minority of the 3,515 out of the 151,060 supposed to sign on. Even if 1,000 of the 3,515 were welfar tourists (which is far to hig!h an etimate) thats still far less that 1% of the total number on the dole

Find a new scaepgoat you crazed conspiracy theorists

^^^ This.

Biggins wrote: »

For those that are saying it don't go on to that degree, it does.
A family member works with a section of the emigrant community in a local area.

Planning on leaving are they?

It's an article printed in The Sunday Independent. How anyone can take it seriously is beyond me. Reminded me of an old Simpson's episode...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55sjaEDJ65k

There are far bigger problems in our country today than immygants takin' our taxes. :rolleyes:

PeterIanStaker

"blurrr blurr rabble rabble splutter republicans blurr splutter spit shake rabble buy more property blurr sure katy french we hardly knew ya spit twitch"

- Average Sunday Independent article

Biggins

CiaranMT wrote: »

Planning on leaving are they?

It's an article printed in The Sunday Independent. How anyone can take it seriously is beyond me.

Cheers for spotting that. Corrected.

I can only tell you what I know. Its a well known way of fraud and its happening big time.

There is a simple solution to those most under suspicion.
Make them collect their money from the post offices every week again - and in some rarer cases (which I know has been done before), make them sign on even a few times a week!

My name is URL

CiaranMT wrote: »

There are far bigger problems in our country today than immygants takin' our taxes. :rolleyes:

Doesn't mean it needs to be ignored though, or swept under a rug to maintain some needless social nicety. Lots of issues are dwarfed by the current situation here, should they all be overlooked too?

caseyann

Biggins wrote: »

Cheers for spotting that. Corrected.

I can only tell you what I know. Its a well known way of fraud and its happening big time.

There is a simple solution to those most under suspicion.
Make them collect their money from the post offices every week again - and in some rarer cases (which I know has been done before), make them sign on even a few times a week!

It used to be every week,the day before collecting it wasnt it?
And the new ones had to collect in post office and not allowed to be wired to bank accounts.

Biggins

caseyann wrote: »

It used to be every week,the day before collecting it wasnt it?
And the new ones had to collect in post office and not allowed to be wired to bank accounts.

I knew some who used to have to sign on twice a week cos' they were under suspicion of also trying to rip the state off.
They were - but in a lot of cases they still got away with it.
They used to just pile into their cars for an hour, use it also as their lunch break but taken in the afternoon - and go down and sign.
Used to get me mad no end.

CiaranMT

My name is URL wrote: »

Doesn't mean it needs to be ignored though, or swept under a rug to maintain some needless social nicety. Lots of issues are dwarfed by the current situation here, should they all be overlooked too?

Of course not. It comes after a long, long list of other issues that need to be sorted out first, however. Removal of Government being at the top.

PeterIanStaker

CiaranMT wrote: »

Removal of Government being at the top.

and you definitely wont see that in the Pravdapendent:rolleyes:

mdebets

Biggins wrote: »

For those that are saying it don't go on to that degree, it does.
A family member works with a section of the immigrant community in a local area.
While the majority are law abiding, they have told him that its is a quite common racket others pull and those that are staying within the law, are ashamed of their fellow nationals doing it.

So you know someone, who knows someone, who knows someone who has done something. Very reliable source. Do you write for one of the tabloids?

Nodin

orourkeda wrote: »

How do you know the problem stops at 3515?

How do you know that its even 3,515?

mdebets

Biggins wrote: »

I knew some who used to have to sign on twice a week cos' they were under suspicion of also trying to rip the state off.

You mean as in you knew someone, who knew someone who knew someone who had to sign on twice a week.

Truley

Having been on welfare for the guts of a year I really don't buy the 'welfare tourism' idea. First of all even if someone did want to do it, the hassle of setting it up, the interviews, forms, inspections etc the fact that you have to have a fixed address, the cost of flights. It wouldn't even be worth it. Also how do they pick up their dole every week since it has to be done in person? If it is being done it's a very very small number of people, not even enough to make it a real issue.

caseyann

Nodin wrote: »

How do you know that its even 3,515?

How do you know its not more.Just because they haven't caught them doesn't mean its not alot higher.And any of it be it whether 2000,they should be caught and dealt with.
If it was about Irish fraudsters,without the stats and proof of how many are screwing system, i don't even think anyone can prove they have or haven't either.Doesn't mean its not happening on large scale.And would be hang them:D

mdebets wrote: »

You mean as in you knew someone, who knew someone who knew someone who had to sign on twice a week.

I know loads who have got away with it ,Do you know for fact they don't,prove it?

caseyann

Truley wrote: »

Having been on welfare for the guts of a year I really don't buy the 'welfare tourism' idea. First of all even if someone did want to do it, the hassle of setting it up, the interviews, forms, inspections etc the fact that you have to have a fixed address, the cost of flights. It wouldn't even be worth it. Also how do they pick up their dole every week since it has to be done in person? If it is being done it's a very very small number of people, not even enough to make it a real issue.

It doesnt its wired into the banks or they get friends to collect it for them.If they need photo id would be better.

Biggins

mdebets wrote: »

You mean as in you knew someone, who knew someone who knew someone who had to sign on twice a week.

I meant what I said as stated.
I'm not in the habit of being inaccurate.

marco_polo

caseyann wrote: »

It doesnt its wired into the banks or they get friends to collect it for them.If they need photo id would be better.

It used to be that you could get it paid directly into your bank account after 6 months, as I understand this option was abolished some years ago.

Nodin

caseyann wrote: »

How do you know its not more.

....because it can't even be shown that the 3,515 are in fact cheating as it is....

caseyann wrote: »

If it was about Irish fraudsters,without the stats and proof of how many are screwing system, i don't even think anyone can prove they have or haven't either..

Coherency. Its a great man.

caseyann wrote: »

I know loads who have got away with it ,Do you know for fact they don't,prove it?

...I'm supposed to prove/disprove your anecdote? Is this like the time you were going on about mysterious Russians?

caseyann

marco_polo wrote: »

It used to be that you could get it paid directly into your bank account after 6 months, as I understand this option was abolished some years ago.

No they only abolished to new claimants.afaik

CiaranMT

Biggins wrote: »

I meant what I said as stated.
I'm not in the habit of being inaccurate.

It happens though.. :P

Biggins

CiaranMT wrote: »

It happens though.. :P

Truley

marco_polo wrote: »

It used to be that you could get it paid directly into your bank account after 6 months, as I understand this option was abolished some years ago.

It was abolished in 2008 since then all welfare receipients have to collect money in person on a weekly basis. I was asked for photo ID in the post office, every single week, for 9 months. I also had to visit the welfare offices at least three times in person before even being granted jobseekers, received and made numerous phone calls, had to get letters of reference from previous employers and had one personal visit to my house by an inspector. If a person can get away with that while living in another country then heck, they deserve the money.

CiaranMT

PeterIanStaker wrote: »

and you definitely wont see that in the Pravdapendent:rolleyes:

Not a hope sir. De Burgh's daughter appearing in the paper about why she no longer wants to appear in the papers is far more pressing.

marco_polo

caseyann wrote: »

No they only abolished to new claimants.afaik

But as you cannot be on JB for more than a year all JB claims are now post office only, so it would just be a proportion of long term JA claims still paid in this way.

Truley

marco_polo wrote: »

But as you cannot be on JB for more than a year all JB claims are now post office only, so it would just be a proportion of long term JA claims still paid in this way.

And even then I think it's only exceptional cases such as people in very rural areas or people with mobility issues etc.

caseyann

marco_polo wrote: »

It used to be that you could get it paid directly into your bank account after 6 months, as I understand this option was abolished some years ago.

Benefit payments were stopped from being paid directly into bank accounts in 2008 by then Social Welfare Minister Mary Hanafin, who ordered all new claimants to collect their cash in person from post offices using their Social Welfare swipe card as part of a fraud crackdown, and that was amended last year so that An Post staff could ask claimants for photo ID.


As you can see,if they had someone collect for them as it is not compulsory rule to ask for photo ID.Also how long has ther been people in receipt of welfare payments that are non nationals but long term collectors.It has been shown a few times in articles about people claiming here and Uk.
It is very easy to get away with it because no way of knowing who is who.Sure arent they even selling their pps numbers i remeber that been brought up before aswell.There is a whole manner of ways to get money and not be caught for it.

SugarHigh

Under EU regulations someone claiming the dole in Ireland for at least four weeks can transfer their payment to another EU state for a maximum of 13 weeks so they can look for work abroad.

Holy **** this is the first time I've heard this. I think I'll abuse to to travel for a year after college.

4 weeks to save for plane tickets and then 200 a week backpacking for 13 weeks isn't bad for nothing:)

caseyann

SugarHigh wrote: »

Holy **** this is the first time I've heard this. I think I'll abuse to to travel for a year after college.

4 weeks to save for plane tickets and then 200 a week backpacking for 13 weeks isn't bad for nothing:)

Then when you dont find a job there back to Ireland you come and keep claiming till next holidays

Biggins

caseyann wrote: »

Then when you dont find a job there back to Ireland you come and keep claiming till next holidays

Stop, stop... Your making him sound more and more like a TD!

caseyann

Biggins wrote: »

Stop, stop... Your making him sound more and more like a TD!

BAHAHAHA i spat my tea out

Biggins

caseyann wrote: »

BAHAHAHA i spat my tea out

:pac:

El Weirdo

Biggins wrote: »

I knew some who used to have to sign on twice a week cos' they were under suspicion of also trying to rip the state off.
They were - but in a lot of cases they still got away with it.
They used to just pile into their cars for an hour, use it also as their lunch break but taken in the afternoon - and go down and sign.
Used to get me mad no end.

caseyann wrote: »

I know loads who have got away with it ,Do you know for fact they don't,prove it?

Did ye report them?

Biggins

El Weirdo wrote: »

Did ye report them?

They had been reported already and were under observation.