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Consequence of the Ash Cloud.

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  • #32
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Nodin wrote: »
    How do you know that its even 3,515?

    How do you know its not more.Just because they haven't caught them doesn't mean its not alot higher.And any of it be it whether 2000,they should be caught and dealt with.
    If it was about Irish fraudsters,without the stats and proof of how many are screwing system, i don't even think anyone can prove they have or haven't either.Doesn't mean its not happening on large scale.And would be hang them:D
    mdebets wrote: »
    You mean as in you knew someone, who knew someone who knew someone who had to sign on twice a week.
    I know loads who have got away with it ,Do you know for fact they don't,prove it?


  • #33
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Truley wrote: »
    Having been on welfare for the guts of a year I really don't buy the 'welfare tourism' idea. First of all even if someone did want to do it, the hassle of setting it up, the interviews, forms, inspections etc the fact that you have to have a fixed address, the cost of flights. It wouldn't even be worth it. Also how do they pick up their dole every week since it has to be done in person? If it is being done it's a very very small number of people, not even enough to make it a real issue.

    It doesnt its wired into the banks or they get friends to collect it for them.If they need photo id would be better.


  • #34
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    mdebets wrote: »
    You mean as in you knew someone, who knew someone who knew someone who had to sign on twice a week.
    I meant what I said as stated.
    I'm not in the habit of being inaccurate.


  • #35
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    caseyann wrote: »
    It doesnt its wired into the banks or they get friends to collect it for them.If they need photo id would be better.

    It used to be that you could get it paid directly into your bank account after 6 months, as I understand this option was abolished some years ago.


  • #36
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    caseyann wrote: »
    How do you know its not more.

    ....because it can't even be shown that the 3,515 are in fact cheating as it is....
    caseyann wrote: »
    If it was about Irish fraudsters,without the stats and proof of how many are screwing system, i don't even think anyone can prove they have or haven't either..

    Coherency. Its a great man.
    caseyann wrote: »
    I know loads who have got away with it ,Do you know for fact they don't,prove it?

    ...I'm supposed to prove/disprove your anecdote? Is this like the time you were going on about mysterious Russians?


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  • #37
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    marco_polo wrote: »
    It used to be that you could get it paid directly into your bank account after 6 months, as I understand this option was abolished some years ago.

    No they only abolished to new claimants.afaik


  • #38
    CiaranMT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    Biggins wrote: »
    I meant what I said as stated.
    I'm not in the habit of being inaccurate.

    It happens though.. :P


  • #39
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    CiaranMT wrote: »
    It happens though.. :P
    :(


  • #40
    Truley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Truley


    marco_polo wrote: »
    It used to be that you could get it paid directly into your bank account after 6 months, as I understand this option was abolished some years ago.

    It was abolished in 2008 since then all welfare receipients have to collect money in person on a weekly basis. I was asked for photo ID in the post office, every single week, for 9 months. I also had to visit the welfare offices at least three times in person before even being granted jobseekers, received and made numerous phone calls, had to get letters of reference from previous employers and had one personal visit to my house by an inspector. If a person can get away with that while living in another country then heck, they deserve the money.


  • #41
    CiaranMT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    PeterIanStaker wrote: »
    and you definitely wont see that in the Pravdapendent:rolleyes:

    Not a hope sir. De Burgh's daughter appearing in the paper about why she no longer wants to appear in the papers is far more pressing.


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  • #42
    marco_polo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    caseyann wrote: »
    No they only abolished to new claimants.afaik

    But as you cannot be on JB for more than a year all JB claims are now post office only, so it would just be a proportion of long term JA claims still paid in this way.


  • #43
    Truley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Truley


    marco_polo wrote: »
    But as you cannot be on JB for more than a year all JB claims are now post office only, so it would just be a proportion of long term JA claims still paid in this way.

    And even then I think it's only exceptional cases such as people in very rural areas or people with mobility issues etc.


  • #44
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    marco_polo wrote: »
    It used to be that you could get it paid directly into your bank account after 6 months, as I understand this option was abolished some years ago.

    Benefit payments were stopped from being paid directly into bank accounts in 2008 by then Social Welfare Minister Mary Hanafin, who ordered all new claimants to collect their cash in person from post offices using their Social Welfare swipe card as part of a fraud crackdown, and that was amended last year so that An Post staff could ask claimants for photo ID.


    As you can see,if they had someone collect for them as it is not compulsory rule to ask for photo ID.Also how long has ther been people in receipt of welfare payments that are non nationals but long term collectors.It has been shown a few times in articles about people claiming here and Uk.
    It is very easy to get away with it because no way of knowing who is who.Sure arent they even selling their pps numbers i remeber that been brought up before aswell.There is a whole manner of ways to get money and not be caught for it.


  • #45
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    Under EU regulations someone claiming the dole in Ireland for at least four weeks can transfer their payment to another EU state for a maximum of 13 weeks so they can look for work abroad.
    Holy **** this is the first time I've heard this. I think I'll abuse to to travel for a year after college.

    4 weeks to save for plane tickets and then 200 a week backpacking for 13 weeks isn't bad for nothing:)


  • #46
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    Holy **** this is the first time I've heard this. I think I'll abuse to to travel for a year after college.

    4 weeks to save for plane tickets and then 200 a week backpacking for 13 weeks isn't bad for nothing:)

    Then when you dont find a job there back to Ireland you come and keep claiming till next holidays :D


  • #47
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    caseyann wrote: »
    Then when you dont find a job there back to Ireland you come and keep claiming till next holidays :D

    Stop, stop... Your making him sound more and more like a TD! :D


  • #48
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Biggins wrote: »
    Stop, stop... Your making him sound more and more like a TD! :D

    BAHAHAHA i spat my tea out :D


  • #49
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    caseyann wrote: »
    BAHAHAHA i spat my tea out :D
    :pac:


  • #50
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Biggins wrote: »
    I knew some who used to have to sign on twice a week cos' they were under suspicion of also trying to rip the state off.
    They were - but in a lot of cases they still got away with it.
    They used to just pile into their cars for an hour, use it also as their lunch break but taken in the afternoon - and go down and sign.
    Used to get me mad no end.
    caseyann wrote: »
    I know loads who have got away with it ,Do you know for fact they don't,prove it?
    Did ye report them?


  • #51
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Did ye report them?
    They had been reported already and were under observation.


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  • #52
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    Ok how about we have a summing up of this thread -

    Too many people on the dole, especially too many 'foreigners'

    They can't all be tracked, could be all scammin the system

    Fecks sake I work for me money, why can't they.
    Ya they get too much for doin nothin!

    But there's no jobs, what do you expect people to do?

    Try harder! I know so and so that got a job just last week.
    Sure there's millions of jobs ya just have to get off your arse and get one!

    BLA BLA BLA, abuse, defend, abuse, defend etc etc, until it gets locked.

    WHY BOTHER!?


  • #53
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Did ye report them?

    Well seen as you need their home addresses and i didnt have that also how to spell their second names in non national cases nope they didnt get reported by me.
    I did report an Irish case though.
    But two got reported by other people.I actually had Someone saying to me only last week,can you believe i know two girls who got reported for claiming and their bfs living with them.As if i was meant to gasp :rolleyes:


  • #54
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Biggins wrote: »
    They had been reported already and were under observation.
    But did you call the SW office and inform them that they were taking a late lunch to sign on?
    caseyann wrote: »
    Well seen as you need their home addresses and i didnt have that also how to spell their second names in non national cases nope they didnt get reported by me.
    Shite excuse for not reporting them tbh.


  • #55
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    I don't blame the "welfare tourists" for ripping off the welfare system if it's open to corruption.

    I don't blame the welfare system either as it can never be 100% corrupt-proof.

    I blame Ryanair & their cheap pricing policy. Those bastards are ruining this f*cking country.


  • #56
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    But did you call the SW office and inform them that they were taking a late lunch to sign on?

    Shite excuse for not reporting them tbh.
    Right so you ring up SW and tell them oh i know these people who are claiming under assumed names,and what is their names and how do you spell them ,em let me see and where do they live oh in this estate somewhere :confused::rolleyes:


  • #57
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    caseyann wrote: »
    Right so you ring up SW and tell them oh i know these people who are claiming under assumed names,and what is their names and how do you spell them ,em let me see and where do they live oh in this estate somewhere :confused::rolleyes:
    You knew enough about them to know what they were up to. I would assume that any information would be useful to the Social in these matters.


  • #58
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    caseyann wrote: »
    Have you ever tried to report someone:D p.s address is a big needed.
    No. But I'm not the one complaining about knowing people that are/were defrauding the system.

    Edit: You're ninja skills are weak.:p


  • #59
    caseyann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,938 ✭✭✭caseyann


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    No. But I'm not the one complaining about knowing people that are/were defrauding the system.

    It is just an example :D I am not moaning about anything.

    Feck :P


  • #60
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    caseyann wrote: »
    Well seen as you need their home addresses and i didnt have that also how to spell their second names in non national cases nope they didnt get reported by me.
    I did report an Irish case though.
    But two got reported by other people.I actually had Someone saying to me only last week,can you believe i know two girls who got reported for claiming and their bfs living with them.As if i was meant to gasp :rolleyes:

    So this is like your story about mysterious Russians......bull on top of bull...


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