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Peckham's sub-3 odyssey - Round 3: Berlin

  • 03-07-2010 1:13pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭


    Here we go again. Have learned a lot of lessons from the previous two attempts and have made necessary adjustments to the training. Have set myself a challenging, yet achieveable 13 week training plan.

    Have kept the miles ticking over since London, with one decent 10k race on June bank holiday. However was surprised to see last night that I've put on about half a stone since London (:eek:). Must watch the diet a little closer - too much unnecessary rubbish sneaking in.

    Key focus this time will be:
    1) Go slower on the long runs (i.e. keep them closer to a minute slower than PMP rather than 40 secs)
    2) Include more speedwork in the long runs - following Daniel's plan of tempo sessions in the middle of long runs. Injury prohibited this last time.

    Week 1 of 13 finished. Total of 40 miles, versus a planned 38 so off to a solid start.

    Monday: Rest (unscheduled rest day, not how you want to be starting a training plan!)

    Tuesday: 6 miles with 2x10min tempo pace (tempo pace being about 6:45/mile at the moment)

    Wednesday: 8.4 miles @ 7:31/mile

    Thursday: 7.5 miles @ 7:33/mile

    Friday: 3.5 miles recovery

    Saturday: 15 miles @ 7:43/mile

    Sunday: Rest

    Something similar next week, but will be pushing out to a midweek run of 11 miles with 4x10min tempo pace.


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,762 ✭✭✭✭ecoli


    Best of luck with the attempt seem to have clear grasp on areas of your training you want to improve and i am sure that you will get there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Sosa


    If you stay injury free its there for you,you know that.

    Best of luck with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Nice one Peckham. Good luck with the training. Will be great to see how you get on with Daniels' plans. Our own running guinea pig. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭village runner


    When i broke the 3 hrs i ran most of my long ones at 8 min mile.
    Doing Daniels myself. best of luck.
    See you at the line


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,366 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Best of luck Peckham. Look forward to following this log.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭heffsarmy


    Good luck Peckham with the log, third time lucky sub 3 all the way. Just looking at your first week, I would have done 5miles rec on wed and 11miles on thursday rather then split the total mileage over 2 days, just my 2cents.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    Best of luck with the log Peckham. Its amazing how fast the weight can catch up with ya. I've put on about 8lbs since mid April.

    Enjoy the training.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    heffsarmy wrote: »
    Good luck Peckham with the log, third time lucky sub 3 all the way. Just looking at your first week, I would have done 5miles rec on wed and 11miles on thursday rather then split the total mileage over 2 days, just my 2cents.

    You're correct, and ideally I would have done that....but circumstances meant that getting 11 miles wasn't feasible. However, from now on I have a midweek 12 miler that will incorporate tempo work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭tisnotover


    All best with log Peckham, will follow with interest !

    Would agree on the going slower bit for the long runs, + with village runner on long-run pace of 8min/mile. I guess it depends on where you are now and how you feel during the long run itself. Would you do the long run over hills ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,411 ✭✭✭SUNGOD


    best of luck peckham
    roll on your sub 3


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    tisnotover wrote: »
    Would you do the long run over hills ?

    Yes, where I live is quite hilly so my long runs generally include lots of rolling hills. Am going to struggle to slow my long run pace down to 8min/mile - I can barely keep my recovery run pace to this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭theboyblunder


    Best of luck peckham. 3rd time's a charm!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭corked


    best of luck with it! looking forward to keeping track of your training.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭shels4ever


    Best of luck with the new plan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭metamorphosis


    Best of luck with the new log and goal. Will be interesting to follow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭seanynova


    Peckham wrote: »
    Am going to struggle to slow my long run pace down to 8min/mile - I can barely keep my recovery run pace to this!

    good luck with the training, daniels plan seams good, but you need to know what to do on the other 4 or 5 days of running, when not doing Q sessions, like you ive opted for general aerobis runs for the most part.
    squeezing in a mid week med long run also, srarting at 7m but will gt up to 13m.

    why do you think the above is the case? im finding it hard not to run at less than 7:20ish at the moment, trying to keep my cadence high like


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    seanynova wrote: »
    why do you think the above is the case? im finding it hard not to run at less than 7:20ish at the moment, trying to keep my cadence high like

    I think that 7:30ish pace just feels like a comfortable natural pace, and that going slower than this involves effort and concentration.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭heffsarmy


    Go on how you feel is the best way, if 7.30min/mile feels natural and easy stick with it, don't see the point in trying running an 8min/mile because someone else finds that an easy pace or because a book tells you. Easy running is supposed to be easy, not something you have too think about. Just once your not over cooking the miles you will fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭seanynova


    heffsarmy wrote: »
    Go on how you feel is the best way, if 7.30min/mile feels natural and easy stick with it, don't see the point in trying running an 8min/mile because someone else finds that an easy pace or because a book tells you. Easy running is supposed to be easy, not something you have too think about. Just once your not over cooking the miles you will fine.

    thats my problem, it feels like im over cooking it when trying to keep the legs truning over....for tomorrows 11miler i will slow it down at all costs cos my groin is acting up!

    but in your case peckham it sounds as if its jest natural, just make sure that 7:30m/m is ok not to tire you out for the Q sessions....maybe you might be revising your target


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Excellent week this week. Finished it off with 16 glorious miles through some torrential rain showers - the first shower was annoying, but once you're soaking wet the following showers become strangely enjoyable! :)

    45.5 miles in total

    Monday: 8.4 miles @ 7:15/mile. Finished off with 6xstrides

    Tuesday: 4.1 recovery miles @ 8:15/mle

    Wednesday: 13.4 miles @ 7:09/mile - included 4x3k tempo with 2 mins recovery - tried to keep the tempo pace at 6:40/mile, but went a bit faster than that (pace was 6:38, 6:29, 6:41, 6:35) - mind you, I'm probably being a little conservative with my tempo pace

    Thursday: Rest

    Friday: 3.5 recovery miles @ 8:21/mile

    Saturday: 16 miles @ 7:52/mile

    Sunday: Rest

    Pretty much same again next week, except will push the long run out to 18 miles and do some tempo miles during the long run.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    McMillan suggests 6:11-6:27 for tempo runs, and 6:06-6:18 for tempo intervals (though I imagine these are far shorter than 3k) for a 2:58 marathon. P&D would be 6:18-6:27. Is Daniels's tempo approach different (e.g. by HR?). Solid running by the way. What will the plan max out at in terms of mileage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Daniels uses what he calls VDOT values (i.e. related to your V02max value) - but I think Pfitinger "borrows" this theory in setting his plans. A 2:58 marathon equates to a VDOT value of 54, which is a tempo pace of 6:26/mile (his VDOT table is reproduced on page 313 of Lore of Running). However as with all these things you need to train at the intensity that equates to where you are, rather than where you want to be. I'm not at 2:58 marathon fitness.......yet!

    So, I've relegated myself two values below that to VDOT of 52, which is a tempo pace of 6:38. VDOT of 52 is 3:04 marathon, or more relevant to where I am at the moment - 39:59 10k.

    However, my midweek tempo session suggests that I could do faster tempo - and maybe I could run a 10k faster than 39:59.......so my new tempo pace will be 6:32 (VDOT of 53).

    Lots of numbers there! :D

    Plan maxes out at 60 miles - have two of these weeks currently scheduled at 7 weeks and 5 weeks out from the race, although may delay the second one to be a week later.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Peckham wrote: »
    However as with all these things you need to train at the intensity that equates to where you are, rather than where you want to be.
    That's my one foolhardy indulgence with all this training. I train according to my target, rather than my current state. Injury risks go up, but progress is also a little swifter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Not a great week, but finished on a high. Ended up aborting Wednesday's medium long run due to a large lunch causing me some digestive issues - schoolboy error.:o

    45 miles in total

    Monday: 8 miles @ 7:27/mile. Finished with 6 x strides.

    Tuesday: 4 recovery miles @ 8:04/mile

    Wendesday: 8.4 miles. Plan was 13 miles with 4x1mile tempo with 1min recovery in between, then 5mins recovery, then 3x1mile tempo with 1 min recovery. Got through the first 4 tempo miles no bother - probably a little too fast as they were all between 6:20 and 6:30 pace. Then the digestive issues hit, and I only got one more of them done (at 6:38), then I had to abandon. Silly, silly error have a large pasta with prawns at lunchtime!

    Thursday: Rest

    Friday: 5.6 miles @ 7:51 pace

    Saturday: My first Daniels long run with some fast sections - schedule called for 18 miles (2 miles easy, 4x5min tempo with 1 min rest, 7 miles easy, 15min tempo, 2 miles easy)....so that's what I did, although I pushed the warmup and cooldown out a bit, and did 8 miles easy in the middle, so it brought me up to 19 miles in total. Hit the tempo pace very well - the first four tempos were between 6:20 and 6:30, and the 15 min tempo was done at 6:21 on some very tired legs! Was totallly shattered after this run, but feel very positive about it. Have two more of these in the schedule, along with two PMP runs.

    Sunday: Rest

    Plan next week is to push out the distance on the 8 mile run to 13 miles, so that will give me two midweek 13 mile runs - one at easy pace, and one with tempo pace in it. Am really doing this for convenience reasons, as getting the miles in coming home from work is a handy way to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭seanynova


    Peckham wrote: »
    Saturday: My first Daniels long run with some fast sections - schedule called for 18 miles (2 miles easy, 4x5min tempo with 1 min rest, 7 miles easy, 15min tempo, 2 miles easy)....so that's what I did, although I pushed the warmup and cooldown out a bit, and did 8 miles easy in the middle, so it brought me up to 19 miles in total. Hit the tempo pace very well - the first four tempos were between 6:20 and 6:30, and the 15 min tempo was done at 6:21 on some very tired legs! Was totallly shattered after this run, but feel very positive about it. Have two more of these in the schedule, along with two PMP runs.

    great session, with a fast tempo session, that will stand to you! have a few of those coming up in a few weeks myself...in a way im looking forward to them, but not so much in other ways ;)

    by the end of the training schedule, a sub3 will be a walk in the park for ya! you are hitting sub3 times at this stage to be fair like.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Another strong week. 52 miles in total

    Monday
    3.1 miles @ 8:03

    Tuesday
    13.1 miles total
    20 mins tempo (avg 6:22)
    20 mins tempo (avg 6:23)
    12 mins tempo (avg 6:23)
    ...with 3 mins recovery between each
    Probably a little too fast on the tempo pace, but felt in a groove. Don't mind the sessions with 3 mins recovery - I could have kept going beyond 20 mins. The killer for me is the shorter sessions with less recovery!

    When I got to the end of the session a quick tally shows I did 18.5 miles at tempo pace across 3 sessions in the previous 7 days. Injury waiting to happen! Must keep a closer eye on scheduling.

    Wednesday
    Rest

    Thursday
    14.2 miles @ 7:30

    Friday
    3.6 miles @ 8:03

    Saturday
    18 miles including 8 miles PMP (6:43)

    Sunday
    Rest

    My intention to run correct PMP and tempo paces (i.e. running them at the level I'm at, rather than the one I want to be at) has gone out the window and my competitive self has emerged!

    Feeling very positive and hopefully another good week ahead. Should hit 1,000 miles for the year on Tuesday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Sosa


    Your going very well Peckham,keep up the good work
    I believe recovery inbetween sets of pmp and/or tempos is the way to go also,it builds confidence way more than doing them all in one go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭seanynova


    very good week peckam, paces are spot on!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,545 ✭✭✭tunguska


    How are you getting on with JDs Q sessions? Any races coming up, gauge your progress?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Have been slacking a bit in updating my log, and being on boards in general. Have only really had the opportunity to make flying visits.

    Anyway, here's the story.


    Week 5
    35 miles

    Monday: 4 miles recovery

    Tuesday: 13 miles with 2 x 20min tempo (avg paces: 6:16, 6:25), 10min recovery between each

    Wednesday: Rest

    Thursday: 14 miles @ 7:24

    Friday: 4 miles recovery

    Saturday: Rest

    Sunday: Unplanned rest due to hangover, so missed a scheduled 18 mile run. I guess this week turned into an unplanned recovery week.


    Week 6
    57 miles

    Monday: 11 miles @ 7:01, clearing out the frustration of the missed run the previous day

    Tuesday: 3 miles recovery

    Wednesday: 13.5 miles with 8 x 5 min tempo with 30 secs recovery (paces: 6:23, 6:26, 6:23, 6:19, 6:18, 6:18, 6:27, 6:22). Was delighted with this session, as I wasn't really into it when starting out (and it was the session in my plan that I was dreading) but got into the mood and pushed on. Paces are at the fast end, but am taking it that fitness is improving. Nearly got knocked down by a car on Griffith Avenue during the 6th rep. That would not have been a good result.

    Thursday: 4 miles recovery

    Friday: 20 miles @ 7:33. Was staying in Castle Leslie in Monaghan for a few nights, so took the opportunity to run around the grounds there whilst Mrs Peckham was using the spa facilities. Had scoped out a nice 6 mile loop that I was going to run repeats of, but about on part of it I got chased by a rather nasty looking dog, so I binned that loop. Ended up figuring out a 6 mile figure of 8 loop, and just did a few repeats of this. Nice session as I was under no time pressure at all, and had a lovely pint of Guinness and tasty ham and cheese sandwich for post-run recovery.

    Saturday: 6 miles recovery around one of my favourite trails in Donegal.


    This week is 60 miles, ending with 21 miles with 13 PMP on Saturday before jetting off to the sun, and a planned recovery week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    tunguska wrote: »
    How are you getting on with JDs Q sessions? Any races coming up, gauge your progress?

    Am really feeling the benefit from them. I'm preferring them over the Pfitzinger tempo runs which can be quite monotonous. They seem to produce results quite quickly which is satisfying.

    No races for me. Nothing that really fits into my schedule. I'd like to do a 10 mile or half marathon race, but there's nothing out there that works for me. Don't fancy dropping a long run in favour of a 10k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭village runner


    Peckham wrote: »
    Have been slacking a bit in updating my log, and being on boards in general. Have only really had the opportunity to make flying visits.

    Anyway, here's the story.


    Week 5
    35 miles

    Monday: 4 miles recovery

    Tuesday: 13 miles with 2 x 20min tempo (avg paces: 6:16, 6:25), 10min recovery between each

    Wednesday: Rest

    Thursday: 14 miles @ 7:24

    Friday: 4 miles recovery

    Saturday: Rest

    Sunday: Unplanned rest due to hangover, so missed a scheduled 18 mile run. I guess this week turned into an unplanned recovery week.


    Week 6
    57 miles

    Monday: 11 miles @ 7:01, clearing out the frustration of the missed run the previous day

    Tuesday: 3 miles recovery

    Wednesday: 13.5 miles with 8 x 5 min tempo with 30 secs recovery (paces: 6:23, 6:26, 6:23, 6:19, 6:18, 6:18, 6:27, 6:22). Was delighted with this session, as I wasn't really into it when starting out (and it was the session in my plan that I was dreading) but got into the mood and pushed on. Paces are at the fast end, but am taking it that fitness is improving. Nearly got knocked down by a car on Griffith Avenue during the 6th rep. That would not have been a good result.

    Thursday: 4 miles recovery

    Friday: 20 miles @ 7:33. Was staying in Castle Leslie in Monaghan for a few nights, so took the opportunity to run around the grounds there whilst Mrs Peckham was using the spa facilities. Had scoped out a nice 6 mile loop that I was going to run repeats of, but about on part of it I got chased by a rather nasty looking dog, so I binned that loop. Ended up figuring out a 6 mile figure of 8 loop, and just did a few repeats of this. Nice session as I was under no time pressure at all, and had a lovely pint of Guinness and tasty ham and cheese sandwich for post-run recovery.

    Saturday: 6 miles recovery around one of my favourite trails in Donegal.


    This week is 60 miles, ending with 21 miles with 13 PMP on Saturday before jetting off to the sun, and a planned recovery week.

    What pace are you planning to run the pmp at ? and how will you run it. 8 first or 4 and 4 ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    I have long discarded my great intentions to run PMP and tempo at speeds based on current fitness, rather than where I want to be. My previous PMP session (8 miles) was done at 6:43, so will be trying to keep this PMP session somewhere in the 6:45-6:50 range.

    Will run it as 6.5 miles warmup, 13 miles PMP, 1.5 miles cooldown


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Halfway through training now, and a strong week to celebrate that. One of the very few times I've done a 60 mile week.

    Monday: 14 miles home from work - avg pace: 7:42.
    Getting pretty bored with the route home from work. I can't vary it much as it's pretty much the most direct route I can take, and I don't fancy doing more than 14 miles in my midweek runs. Will stick with the route for the next few weeks anyway, despite the dull final section (Old Airport Road from Santry to Swords).

    Tuesday: 7 miles - avg pace: 7:01
    Nice sunny evening on a nice quiet loop from home. Felt good, didn't really want to slow down!

    Wednesday: 14 miles with 4 x 12min tempo (avg paces for the tempo segments: 6:25, 6:25, 6:29, 6:31)
    The final two tempo segments were uphill and disrupted by having to cross roads. Felt good throughout the session, and really feel that these Daniels tempo sessions are working their magic on my training. Tempo speed is starting to feel relatively straightforward (not necessarily easy though!)

    Thursday: 4 miles recovery - avg pace: 7:58

    Friday: Rest

    Saturday: 21 miles with 13 miles PMP
    6.4 miles warmup - avg pace: 7:30
    13.1 miles PMP - avg pace: 6:37
    1.5 miles cooldown - avg pace: 7:40
    Plan was to do the PMP miles around 6:45 pace, which is the pace I held for the first few miles, however felt strong as the session went on and the pace started to get a bit faster. Added on the extra .1 mile at the end to cover half marathon distance, working out at just under 1:27 for the half

    Sunday: Rest


    Recovery week next, as I'm away for a week - plan is to drop back to 40 miles, with some tempo miles midweek. Nothing extreme though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭Sosa


    Very good week for you,Peckham...keep it going


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Peckham wrote: »

    Saturday: 21 miles with 13 miles PMP
    6.4 miles warmup - avg pace: 7:30
    13.1 miles PMP - avg pace: 6:37
    1.5 miles cooldown - avg pace: 7:40

    That's a great pace, within a 21 miler. You're looking very good at the mid-training-point, keep up the good work!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭seanynova


    Peckham wrote: »
    Saturday: 21 miles with 13 miles PMP
    6.4 miles warmup - avg pace: 7:30
    13.1 miles PMP - avg pace: 6:37
    1.5 miles cooldown - avg pace: 7:40
    Plan was to do the PMP miles around 6:45 pace, which is the pace I held for the first few miles, however felt strong as the session went on and the pace started to get a bit faster. Added on the extra .1 mile at the end to cover half marathon distance, working out at just under 1:27 for the half

    savage PMP session Peckham! have to do my 1st one on monday :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Very strong week Peckham. Well done! Superb long run, and good to see you targetting a chunk off of 3:00.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭misty floyd


    +1 great work Peckham. Fair play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Unfortunately a poor week follows what was a great week. Was away in sunny Mallorca for the week, and couldn't get the motivation to get out running that much. The heat was just too off-putting, and I couldn't motivate myself to get up earlier. Managed two runs during the holiday (one 8 miler, and one 5 miler) and then a 7 miler when I got home yesterday....so a grand total of 20 miles for the week, whereas I was aiming for twice that.

    At least it was a planned recovery week. :o

    It's behind me now, and looking forward to a strong final two weeks before the taper kicks in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    A B+ for this week. Work commitments meant I missed out on Thursday's planned 13 miler, but got my two quality sessions in. Had planned to get out again today to push the mileage over 50 for the week, but could feel the strain in the legs from yesterday, and didn't want to risk any damage.

    Monday
    7.2 miles @ 7:08/mile

    Tuesday
    14 miles with 6 x 1 mile @ tempo pace (1 min recovery between each)
    Paces for the tempo miles were: 6:26, 6:22, 6:18, 6:22, 6:23, 6:34
    The final mile was uphill (that painful stretch through Whitehall from Griffith Ave to Collins Ave), but rest of the paces were on target

    Wednesday
    4 miles @ 8:04/mile

    Thursday
    Missed session

    Friday
    Planned rest, and had made plans which meant that running wasn't feasible

    Saturday
    22 miles with [4 x 5 min tempo (1 min recovery between each)]x2

    2.5 miles @ 7:25/mile
    4 x 5 min tempo (paces - 6:24, 6:19, 6:06, 6:07)
    10 miles @ 7:21/mile
    4 x 5 min tempo (paces - 6:18, 6:07, 6:09, 6:05)
    2.3 miles @ 7:50/mile

    Was so chuffed at the end of that session, don't think I'll ever have as tough a session as that ever again. The second set of tempos hurt pretty bad, but was determined to push through them knowing that I don't have any more tempo sessions of 5 mins with 1 min recovery!

    Sunday
    Rest. A few miles would have been nice to push into the low-50s, but there's too much strain in the legs. Risk-reward ratio is skewed towards risk.

    47 mile total for this week. 50 next week, and then it's taper time. At that point I'm going to switch to the Pfitzinger taper from the 55 mile/18 week plan. Daniels has served me well, but I think his taper is a bit heavy on mileage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭seanynova


    good 22m easy/tempo session!! had one today myself, 2x12mins and a 15min at the end...hard going but good to have it done!

    why do you think daniels taper is heavy on mileage? is a progression of 80%/70%/70%/60% of peak mileage....peaking at say 55miles gives: 44/38/38/33m, thats in line with P&D, i do however think daniels race week is a bit much!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    seanynova wrote: »
    good 22m easy/tempo session!! had one today myself, 2x12mins and a 15min at the end...hard going but good to have it done!

    why do you think daniels taper is heavy on mileage? is a progression of 80%/70%/70%/60% of peak mileage....peaking at say 55miles gives: 44/38/38/33m, thats in line with P&D, i do however think daniels race week is a bit much!!!

    Can't remember the exact details of it, but I just felt there were too many running days and too much speedwork. I know I'll feel more confident after P&D, it has served me well in the past.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Haven't had much opportunity to update the training log recently. Activity here has been limited recently, but training has been pretty consistent.

    Week 9
    Reasonable week, although ended up missing a session due to work commitments. Ended up with only four days running totalling 46.5 miles. The two quality sessions were:

    Q1
    14.3 miles (20min easy, 20min tempo, 20min easy, 20min tempo, 20min easy)
    Average pace on the tempo sessions was 6:18 and 6:22, so between them averaging at the 6:20 I was aiming for. The second tempo segment was traffic disrupted as I crossed main roads in the Santry area. This was my final tempo session, so the thought of that kept me going.

    Q2
    21 miles @ 7:17 pace


    Week 10
    First week of taper, although didn't really cut back on the miles compared to the previous two weeks, as they each had a missed session. For the first time in four weeks I managed to get 5 days running, which was an achievement in itself as it was a busy week and was away on a stag weekend at the end of it.

    The stag weekend was a true test of my running dedication, and managed to get through it without touching a drop of alcohol, and avoided as much rubbish food as possible (despite the chorus of jeers when the other 15 on the stag ordered full English breakfasts on both mornings, whilst I tucked into scrambled eggs on toast).

    The two quality sessions were:

    Q1
    8 miles with 5x600m @ 5k pace. Was apprehensive about this session as I had done no interval work in a good few months (Daniels seems to focus more on tempo miles, but have now switched to Pfitzinger for the taper). Having no recent races to work this pace from, I played around on a 18min 5k which worked out at 2:12 for 600m.
    Times for the 5 sets were:
    2:01
    2:09
    2:07
    2:10
    2:07

    Q2
    16 miles @ 7:23 pace


    So, now it's feet-up (relatively speaking!) for the next 2 weeks and see what happens at the end of it.

    Looking forward to pacing the half marathon this weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    The most significant achievement is managing to avoid alcohol on the stag! Impressed! Well done on those 600s. That's a cracking pace.

    Are you going to run the 3x1 mile @5k pace this week? Promises to be a tough one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Are you going to run the 3x1 mile @5k pace this week? Promises to be a tough one!

    Yep, have that session lined up for this week. I wasn't worried about it until I did the 600s last week and remembered how fast 5k pace actually is! Will need to go out a bit more conservatively on the first mile than I did in the 600s, but I don't mind the sessions where it's three reps of something, as it means the second rep is also the penultimate rep!

    Took another rest day yesterday (making it two rest days in a row - but that's acceptable in taper!) as I simply couldn't be ar$ed going out running yesterday evening. In addition, I also need to go to a removal tomorrow evening, so that will have to be another rest day. So week is being shuffled around a bit.

    Am thinking:
    Mon: Rest
    Tues: 8 miles easy
    Weds: Rest
    Thurs: 8 miles with 3*1mile@5k pace
    Fri: 4 miles recovery
    Sat: Half-marathon pace duties
    Sun: Rest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Monday 13th
    Should ideally have gotten out for a few miles, but was too tired when I got home and it was miserable and wet out!

    Tuesday 14th
    7.4 miles @ 7:33 pace. Nice and relaxing run enjoying what is probably one of the last sunny evenings.

    Wednesday 15th
    Another rest. Had to go to a removal after work, and by the time I got home it was too late to go out.

    Thursday 16th
    8 miles with 3 x 1 mile at 5k pace
    Krusty's big session, and one that I hadn't exactly been looking forward to. Did a 2.5 mile warmup and pace felt nice and easy during that. Found myself drifting easily towards 7:00 pace during the warmup, which I guess is a result of having had 3 rest days in the previous 6 days!

    Headed to some football pitches to do the intervals, which I planned to do in 5:45 with a 4 minute recovery. To be honest that felt like a lot, but works out at 70% of the interval time.

    Times for the 3 x 1 mile were:
    - 5:40
    - 5:48
    - 5:36

    Not sure what happened on the second one. Was cruising, and I guess I switched off. Was very frustrated with myself after it, and really hammered the final interval as a result!

    Feel pretty positive after that session. Don't know how anyone runs a 2:30 marathon though. 26 miles at 5:45 pace, yikes! :eek:

    4 miles tomorrow evening, then it's into the Phoenix Park on Saturday for pacing duties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭tisnotover


    Nice going on the intervals ! Isn't it better ya switched off in training tho, rather than in a 5k ;)

    Enjoy the pacing at wknd!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,550 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    You nailed it. Nice! You should really beat yourself for missing the target by 3 seconds :rolleyes: Can I point out that your average was 5:41!
    We're in synch from now until the 27th September. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭village runner


    What are you aim to hit halfway in............If its in sync I might join you........We will see the clown at the finish.;);)


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