'She's not THAT pretty'

iguana

beks101 wrote: »

Being 'beautiful' gives a woman a power that is head and shoulders above any other talent or skill she may have,

With the exception of Susan Boyle. If she had been good looking or even unremarkable she would never have been highlighted in the way that she was. I found that whole thing fairly distasteful. 'Somewhat unattractive woman has rather great voice!!!!!!' OMG what a crazy shock!!!!!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

Just the opposite end of the scale of, wow, gorgeous woman has phd in astrophysics!!!!! Amazing!!!!!!

I remember many, many years ago spending the night with a friend of a friend. At one stage in the night we ended up talking about literature and it turned out we were both Shakespeare fans. His favourite play was MacBeth, mine was Hamlet and our second favourite was each the other's favourite. We were enthusiastically discussing them and debating why 'our' play was best. All of a sudden he just stopped talking and in this really shocked voice exclaimed, 'of all the people I thought I'd ever discuss Shakespeare with it was never you.

Apparently the way I dressed and was flirty and had watches to match my dresses and had big boobs and was pretty meant I was shallow and stupid.:rolleyes: At the time I was actually sort of pleased to have shown him how much more there was to me than his assumptions. But I look back on that now and I'm sort of pissed. I mean fine, I was dressed up and flirty but he only ever saw when I was in bars and nighclubs, that's how people usually are in those places, yet I was judged as an airhead for it. I was a journalism student and he was a full-time barman. If either one of us was going to make unflattering judgements about the other's intellect surely it should have been the other way around?

iguana

iguana wrote: »

I remember many, many years ago spending the night with a friend of a friend. At one stage in the night we ended up talking about literature and it turned out we were both Shakespeare fans. His favourite play was MacBeth, mine was Hamlet and our second favourite was each the other's favourite. We were enthusiastically discussing them and debating why 'our' play was best. All of a sudden he just stopped talking and in this really shocked voice exclaimed, 'of all the people I thought I'd ever discuss Shakespeare with it was never you.

Apparently the way I dressed and was flirty and had watches to match my dresses and had big boobs and was pretty meant I was shallow and stupid.:rolleyes: At the time I was actually sort of pleased to have shown him how much more there was to me than his assumptions. But I look back on that now and I'm sort of pissed. I mean fine, I was dressed up and flirty but he only ever saw when I was in bars and nighclubs, that's how people usually are in those places, yet I was judged as an airhead for it. I was a journalism student and he was a full-time barman. If either one of us was going to make unflattering judgements about the other's intellect surely it should have been the other way around?

God, don't even get me started on that. I was going to make a topic about this a while ago. I'm sick to death of people assuming I'm some airhead bimbo because I like pretty dresses and am talkative. When men wear nice clothes and talk about trivial topics, that's absolutely normal, but when women do it, it makes them thick? It feels like in order to be taken seriously as a woman, you need to be unattractive, badly dressed and dull. Like you I've been talked down to by men who have no further education and don't come across as that intelligent and it's infuriating. I don't claim to know everything, but I've always done really well in college and am doing an MA now, I'm not an idiot!

tinkerbell

cherub rock wrote: »

Although, you'd think with Twilight mania and the R-Patz obessision girls would be jealous of Kristen Stewart, but instead they idolise her and wanted her to get with him in real life. Weird.

Not many people idolise Kristen Stewart - there's so much hating going on with her - you either like her or absolutely despise her, and so many people hate her and say about her acting ability - but the same people who say those things are Rob Pattinson OBSESSED - so it's pretty obvious that they are just jealous idiots that she gets to kiss him in the Twilight movies and / or in their personal life. Personally, I like her and I think she looks amazing and her acting is fine.

I haven't read the whole thread (just the first page) but someone said about losing weight and then being called anorexic and whatever. That's from just jealous fat women who are too lazy to get off their arse and exercise, and so hate it then when other women actually make the effort to get fit, keep slim and trim. You're not gonna get a thin person calling you anorexic if you're a size six - they'd be saying you look great. Size six is not anorexic ffs.

And as for "she's not THAT pretty", jealous ugly women again who say that! Women can be so bitchy, as a result, I have way more guy friends than girl friends as I just can't deal with the drama of women, it just annoys me.

parker kent

ztoical wrote: »

Can you name someone who is a natural beauty? Cus lets face it we've all got something fake going be it make-up, hair products, high heels or that push up bra that always works in the club. What do we draw the line as being fake? This idea of the natural beauty is itself fake....people put forward as natural beauties from history we've only got paintings and written accounts of their beauty which lets face it are biased and as we move into the era of photography and film people become more fake. People you see on television don't look the same in real life as you need to pile on the make-up just to make them look any way natural under hot television lights and camera filters and certain shapes and cuts of clothes read better on camera then others so they are taped and tucked into clothes. Even someone whose consider really stunning will need to be photoshoped in photos as the way cameras and lighting work it's always going to create odd shadows and patches that need to be edited.

As a guy, I don't even consider girls on TV, in photographs or nights out when deciding if somebody is a natural beauty. Day-to-day life is when that can decided. You say that people don't look the same in real life as they do on TV. That is true, in fact they often look better as all the smoke and mirrors is taken away and you see the real person.

Celebrity wise I can vouch for Caroline Morahan being a natural beauty. I happened to run into her one day at a blockbusters in Dublin and she was just there in sweat pants and without make-up. She looked so beautiful, it was ridiculous. My friend who worked there said she came in all the time like that and always looked fantastic.

She is one example out of many. Really pretty girls do not need anything to enhance them, they look just as beautiful in grey sweatpants watching TV as they do in stilettos and a Dior dress.

The notion that natural beauty is fake is not true for me anyway. I see girls every day who are naturally beautiful. But they are not photoshopped nor are they in layers of make-up, they are just going about their daily lives. Photoshop cannot reproduce the dazzling electric blue eyes or cute, smiley faces I see every day. These are girls that are jaw-droppingly beautiful with perfectly symmetrical faces, high cheekbones, wide, bright eyes and perfectly proportioned bodies. Maybe girls view each other differently, but to my male eyes there are natural beauties all around us!

Now I just need to get one as a girlfriend

JimmyCrackCorn

Never got why women do that to themselves. The constant pressure to compare yourselves to someone else, be it looks or how much of a car crash there lives are.

Give yourselves a break.

smelltheglove

tinkerbell wrote: »

Not many people idolise Kristen Stewart - there's so much hating going on with her - you either like her or absolutely despise her, and so many people hate her and say about her acting ability - but the same people who say those things are Rob Pattinson OBSESSED - so it's pretty obvious that they are just jealous idiots that she gets to kiss him in the Twilight movies and / or in their personal life. Personally, I like her and I think she looks amazing and her acting is fine.

I haven't read the whole thread (just the first page) but someone said about losing weight and then being called anorexic and whatever. That's from just jealous fat women who are too lazy to get off their arse and exercise, and so hate it then when other women actually make the effort to get fit, keep slim and trim. You're not gonna get a thin person calling you anorexic if you're a size six - they'd be saying you look great. Size six is not anorexic ffs.

I really really dont like her, but not for her acting, because the girl NEVER smiles, I mean she is a pretty girl, she has gotten very lucky in life recently and yet she still wont smile! People spend money seeing her movies, idolise her yet when she turns up on a red carpet she looks like she is so depressed like shes going to a funeral!

I had the comment said about me, a long time ago, I was an air hostess and me not being girly decided to stay in when all the others went out. Well we had been staying in a hotel and a guy there asked a few of them where I was. Apparently they were quite disgusted that of the 30 or os in our group he was asking after me, like what was so special about me! I was quite insulted by it to be honest, I was a pretty enough girl when I was young and slim too, (not now unfortunately) I may not have been as fashionable or hung up on myself as the others were but did that mean he should fancy them over me? Like they were better than me.

When I look at girls on the street I will be looking at them as if would I like to take their photo. There are some stunning looking girls that I wouldnt particularily like to photograph, not because they are too goodlooking or anything but because of expression and a level of interest. I would happily point out to someone if I think they are good looking, I have done quite recently, some people are taken aback but I always say it is because I think hey would look good on camera.

I hate negativity, I hate when people put others down without merit or reason, jealousy is a terrible thing at times!

The Lovely Muffin

I've said it about other women and I've also said about myself, many times, that I am no looker either.

In fact, I have in the past thought of and called myself ugly.

Dudess

I love how some people on this thread TELL women, who go to great lengths to explain themselves, that they're jealous merely for not understanding the fuss over certain women. Would they be jealous if they couldn't understand the fuss over certain men?

Posy

Dudess wrote: »

I love how some people on this thread TELL women, who go to great lengths to explain themselves, that they're jealous merely for not understanding the fuss over certain women. Would they be jealous if they couldn't understand the fuss over certain men?

Ha, I don't think so!
I had that scenario in college a few years back. A girl on my course- a nice girl, lovely looking- was constantly fawned over by the guys on the course. Of course it's natural to be a (bit!) jealous of girls that make the fellas drool but I literally couldn't see it! To me, she was very nice personality-wise and just above average looks-wise. But I did not get why everyone thought she was so stunning. But if I was to voice that opinion I'd just be called petty and jealous. Aargh.

Dudess

I don't get why so many women go into a weakness for Tom Selleck - will it be assumed I'm jealous of Tom Selleck? Highly unlikely (not keen on a 'tache for one ) so why can't the same be applied in the case of a woman? Why is it jealousy because she's the same gender as I? Peeps who think it's a case of jealousy every single time (not disputing it possibly IS jealousy sometimes) can fuk off tbh.

K-9

Dudess wrote: »

I don't get why so many women go into a weakness for Tom Selleck - will it be assumed I'm jealous of Tom Selleck? Highly unlikely (not keen on a 'tache for one ) so why can't the same be applied in the case of a woman? Why is it jealousy because she's the same gender as I? Peeps who think it's a case of jealousy every single time (not disputing it possibly IS jealousy sometimes) can fuk off tbh.

Generally a moustache isn't liked on a woman!

But yes, I agree, this isn't a gender specific issue!

Dudess

JimmyCrackCorn wrote: »

Never got why women do that to themselves. The constant pressure to compare yourselves to someone else, be it looks or how much of a car crash there lives are.

Give yourselves a break.

Read the thread?

And re the WAG look: Chanelle, Danielle Lloyd etc. I personally don't consider a lot of these women attractive - as in MY idea of attractive. Objectively they are pretty - I'm certainly not deeming them ugly - but I just, generally, don't consider their "look" attractive, with some exceptions of course (e.g. Cheryl Tweedy, Alex Curran).

LilMsss

tinkerbell wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thread (just the first page) but someone said about losing weight and then being called anorexic and whatever. That's from just jealous fat women who are too lazy to get off their arse and exercise, and so hate it then when other women actually make the effort to get fit, keep slim and trim. You're not gonna get a thin person calling you anorexic if you're a size six - they'd be saying you look great. Size six is not anorexic ffs.

I take exception to this comment and the assumption that 'fat' women, at whichever size or weight you happen to deem them too fat to have a valid opinion, are jealous or lazy!

And your comment on not getting a 'thin person' calling you anorexic or saying you're too thin is total crap. I was fat for years while I was growing up and have never been jealous of anyone, either looks, personality etc. Now while I may have been envious with regard to certain aspects of people's looks, fashion, personality etc, it was always fleeting and I have never been jealous, as I am not a jealous person.

While I don't think it's anyone's place to comment directly to someone on their appearance, when it comes to body weight, everyone thinks they have an opinion, and insist on sharing it. I lost 6.5 Stone through working my ass off at the gym and it was people of all sizes (particularly skinny) who commented on it throughout.

People constantly told me I had gotten too thin. I was a size 14 and was hardly too thin, although some of my bones were sticking out, but that's just my frame. What some of them really meant was, don't get any thinner than me!!!

And BTW I have always exercised even at my heaviest, although obviously I do a hell of a lot more now. So if I had commented on someone's appearance while in the process of losing weight (and exercising), would my opinion have been invalidated by the fact that I was fat and obviously 'jealous' and 'lazy'???

Dudess

tinkerbell wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thread (just the first page)

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Size six is not anorexic ffs.

It can be. I for instance certainly would be underweight if I went down to a size six (I acknowledge many petite, slender women can be perfectly healthy at size six though).

And as for "she's not THAT pretty", jealous ugly women again who say that!

Seeing as you're not bothering to read the thread, here's the tl;dr version: when women say "She's not THAT pretty" it's not always jealousy, just their opinion. People have varying opinions.

Women can be so bitchy

Can't they just?