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Nutrition and Health Coaching course

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    #62
    Lantus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    ciagr297 wrote: »
    found this http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2004/4304/b4304s.pdf

    Lists 11 specific jobs that are not defined as nutritionist, e.g. physio, speech therapist, dietician and defines them as specific roles. (which most of them ready are.)

    Most professions are keen to get 'their' title protected. The European Engineering council has been trying to get the title Engineer protected for a decade or more to little avail. So the 5 to 9 years you need to become qualified and then Chartered (like me...) have little effect because anyone can write engineer on the side of their van and away they go!

    If the term nutritionist can be protected then so could furniture maker, candle stick polisher, cleaner and just about everyone....


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    #63
    ciagr297
    Registered Users Posts: 428 ✭✭ciagr297


    agreed, i only found this legislation item - i couldn't find the stuff relating specifically to nutritionist.

    the irish nutrition and dietitics organisation does say on their website that no part time course is currently available which will be recognised by the official board for qualification - you can also ring the office in south dublin and ask directly

    btw - i'm just trying to clarify the situation myself as i would not like to have forked out for a course and at the end realise my qualification is not worth the paper its written on


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    #64
    Lantus
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    ciagr297 wrote: »
    agreed, i only found this legislation item - i couldn't find the stuff relating specifically to nutritionist.

    the irish nutrition and dietitics organisation does say on their website that no part time course is currently available which will be recognised by the official board for qualification - you can also ring the office in south dublin and ask directly

    btw - i'm just trying to clarify the situation myself as i would not like to have forked out for a course and at the end realise my qualification is not worth the paper its written on

    Even IF the term nutritionist could be protected (which I doubt.) people would just find a work around in 2 minutes. So even if your course had the word nutrition in it you could just use another title to describe what you do - Health advisor, food consultant, Nutrition Consultant (NOT Nutritionist!) and so on. See what I mean.

    And I wrong when I said the Engineering council had been trying to protect the title of Engineer for over a decade. It's actually nearer 20 years.

    Dietician is already a specific health care related title, why go to the bother of protecting another word that means much the same thing but will confuse people and will not solve the problem.


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    #65
    ciagr297
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    Lantus wrote: »
    Even IF the term nutritionist could be protected (which I doubt.) people would just find a work around in 2 minutes. So even if your course had the word nutrition in it you could just use another title to describe what you do - Health advisor, food consultant, Nutrition Consultant (NOT Nutritionist!) and so on. See what I mean.

    And I wrong when I said the Engineering council had been trying to protect the title of Engineer for over a decade. It's actually nearer 20 years.

    Dietician is already a specific health care related title, why go to the bother of protecting another word that means much the same thing but will confuse people and will not solve the problem.
    why have they put so much time into trying to protect a job title at all?

    and to be honest, its as much about protecting the person buying the product or service - i want to know the person is qualified to advise me. if i so want to, i can check that the person has attended a recognised and accredited course


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    #66
    teacosy
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭teacosy


    This is what the Nutrition Society (UK) tell the public:

    http://www.nutritionsociety.org/index.php?q=node/208


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    #67
    Lantus
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    teacosy wrote: »
    This is what the Nutrition Society (UK) tell the public:

    http://www.nutritionsociety.org/index.php?q=node/208

    Yeah.... basically we'd love to have OUR favourite word made even more special but by the way there is already a job that exists (Dietician) that does the same thing and more and is already protected....


    I think that every pressure group and hobbiest would love to see their role being made even more special. The reality is it will probably never happen.

    The European Engineering council has been trying to get Engineer protected for some time. People like structural, civil and other types of specialist engineers that are responsible for millions of euro's of design and potentially the safety of hundreds and thousands of people (imagine what would happen if a building collapsed or the nations sewerage system collapsed overnight. These are serious jobs for serious people. No offence but it's a far cry from telling a massive fatty to eat porridge for breakfast. They have been trying to get this title protected for several decades and I doubt will succeed in my lifetime. There are more important roles for more specialist and important jobs to be considered long before this will ever see the light of day.


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    #68
    Sapsorrow
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    Lantus wrote: »
    YNo offence but it's a far cry from telling a massive fatty to eat porridge for breakfast.

    :eek: Geez after reading that statement I really hope that you aren't a nutritional therapist or lifestyle consultant or whatever you like to call yourself.


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    #69
    Lantus
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    Sapsorrow wrote: »
    :eek: Geez after reading that statement I really hope that you aren't a nutritional therapist or lifestyle consultant or whatever you like to call yourself.

    No offence intended! I'm just trying to make a point that people within an industry can have a very passionate view of it and it's importance which often doesn't match the reality.

    Educating people on nutrition and lifestyle are very important and things I am very passionate about myself. But I also realise that they dont deserve having a range of protected titles in addition to those already created.

    There are plenty of other proffessions that do much more dangerous, critical, risky, technical or plain difficult tasks that are even more deserving and have no protected status.

    Any way, were getting off topic....maybe start a thread on whether it should be protected???


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    #70
    Papergirl 1
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    brainyneuron wrote: »
    I'm currently doing the IINH Nutrition and Health Coaching course (in Bray) so if anyone has any questions feel free to ask :)

    Stayed away from this thread up till now as I didn't feel like defending myself against certain posters who were extremely negative about any course other than their own. Now that I've done more than half the course I feel better able to talk about/defend the course and fight my corner. :D:rolleyes:

    Hi, I'm considering starting this course through distance education. I'd really like to know the employment opportunities on completion of the course. Can you tell me what you think of the course? Also, are you now working in this field as a result of the course? Thanks a mill....


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    #71
    Graftgirl
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    Fister wrote: »
    I am really interested in the CNM course as it is the only PT option in Cork, i am very happy & would be very grateful to receive peoples opinion/advice on this either good or bad as it is a big commitment & price to pay but if people are critising the credentials of the College it would in my opinion only be right to do so if that person has concrete evidence. The nutritional course has been accredited by the IANT. Could they do this if the course was not seen to teach its students to an acceptable level to advice clients. I would like to know if u have taken the time to look at the Charles Sturt University website - Distance study is only a part of what they do or are you questioning their credibility also. They appear to me to be a v. well regarded institution.

    In relation to CNM being affilliated with IANT... IANT was setup by the members of the CNM so that tells you something about the worth of IANT... there is no regulatory body to regulate them go with the Institute of Health science at least they are affilliated with the British association of nutritional therapists.. I have personal experience of CNM..
    Graft


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    #72
    ThinderLand
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭ThinderLand


    Ok, I have read all the posts above and although they are quiet old I do think it is important to reply.

    I am just finishing my 3.5 year nutritional therapy diploma with IINH.
    IINH unlike other colleges have FETAC, BTEC and ITEC awards.

    Yes this is a part-time diploma but I cannot relay to you the amount of work that goes into this course. It is quite difficult and demanding but worthwhile.
    There are regular exams and assignments/projects to ensure you are learning what you are being taught. In 3rd year you need to complete 40 hours of clinical practice which brings all that you have learnt together. 3rd year is also your research year, you will need to complete critique's, literature review and dissertation along with other case study projects.

    Yes this is a part-time course but with the amount of extra reading and project work there is little time for anything else. However, if you want to study Nutritional Therapy then you will do it because you love it !

    To answer some of the comments above -
    In this course you will learn about nutrition, functional medicine how your body works, and how nutrition or lack of it affects it. You will learn to review a client holistically with a functional medicine perspective.

    This course is not a degree in Nutrition, it is a diploma in Nutritional Therapy. It is a focused diploma on nutritional therapy and how to work with people to make them change their lifestyle and improve their health.

    I have grown as a person over the last 4 years studying with IINH not only is the course scientific but they also provide and teach counselling skills to help you develop as a therapist and a person. They focus on cooking through out the course as cooking and food is key to nutrition.

    It is the carved blend by Richard Burton, director of IINH, who with his highly skilled team including a Medical doctor and researchers, created a scientific course with practical skills to enable you to help others to improve their health and lifestyle.

    I will be glad to have this course completed but if I choose to continue - IINH have partnered with a university in the UK with which I can complete a masters.

    This mode of learning has suited me, over the last 4 years I worked full time, got married and had a baby and now I am very close to a new qualification as a Nutritional Therapist.

    There are many options to choose from when studying Nutritional Therapy, you just have to choose what is right for you. If anyone has any questions please let me know I would like to help, as I went through this process myself before I signed up to IINH.


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    #73
    El_Dangeroso
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    The thing is someone can call their dog a qualified nutritional therapist, it's not a protected title. It's cool you can do the masters out of it but you can do that with a regular degree in life-sciences too.

    The competition is fierce to get into those masters too, I'd reckon a degree would put you more out in front than a diploma.

    Also to complete the downer, there's no jobs even if you do get qualified as a bone fide dietician.


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    #74
    danlen
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    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    The thing is someone can call their dog a qualified nutritional therapist, it's not a protected title. It's cool you can do the masters out of it but you can do that with a regular degree in life-sciences too.

    The competition is fierce to get into those masters too, I'd reckon a degree would put you more out in front than a diploma.

    Also to complete the downer, there's no jobs even if you do get qualified as a bone fide dietician.

    Are there any jobs in relation to nutrition atm? What about academia/research? Maybe better prospects in the UK??


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    #75
    El_Dangeroso
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    danlen wrote: »
    Are there any jobs in relation to nutrition atm? What about academia/research? Maybe better prospects in the UK??

    Cut-backs across the board at the moment so academia is probably harder to get into than industry, unless you do a Phd, and even then..

    I'm doing some research at the moment but it's only tangentially related to what I really want to do.


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    #76
    teacosy
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    danlen wrote: »
    Are there any jobs in relation to nutrition atm? What about academia/research? Maybe better prospects in the UK??

    I think more than half of the 20 or so nutrition & dietetic graduates (TCD/DIT) got jobs so far in Ireland - the rest are working or doing research in the UK. all working in the area as far as i know. Not sure about pure nutrition grads, sorry.


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    #77
    danlen
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    Thanks for both replies guys. The reason I ask is that I would love to pursue a career in nutrition (research interests me alot but I am not closed off to working in industry) and have been thinking of applying for the masters in nutritional sciences in UCC.

    I have an undergrad in Biological Sciences as well as one years teaching experience.

    The only thing preventing me from throwing myself into studying nutrition is the risk of having zero employment prospects once I finish. Couple this with the 5k I will have to shell out to do the course. Pursuing a PhD in the area once I do the masters is also appealing, should I be able to secure funding.

    I have also been weighing up doing a masters in Bioinformatics. This would seem to have the better employment prospects on completion of the course. Could I work in the nutrition sector as a bioinformatician perhaps?

    Any advice would be great.

    (sorry if I have done a bit of a hijack job on this thread!)


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    #78
    pppink
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    Frogdog wrote: »
    I've read somewhere (so this might be true or not) that anyone can become a nutritionist without any formal qualification, whereas dietician is an actual profession where an accredited qualification is needed.

    Anyone know is that's true?

    yes, that is true.:p


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    #79
    Aisling.lola
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    Anyone know the difference between the ihs and cnm with regards to their naturopathy course ?


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    #80
    ciagr297
    Registered Users Posts: 428 ✭✭ciagr297


    @danlen - My advice is Bioinformatics, I did a masters in this area. And its employable. What did you decide in the end?


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    #81
    pistol_75
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    Went along to a open evening this evening. At the moment I'm swaying towards doing the course.

    Currently working in IT but open to a career change and have an interest in Nutrition and see it as a growing market.


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    #82
    El_Dangeroso
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    pistol_75 wrote: »
    Went along to a open evening this evening. At the moment I'm swaying towards doing the course.

    Currently working in IT but open to a career change and have an interest in Nutrition and see it as a growing market.

    Nutrition isn't a booming market for jobs unfortunately. I know a couple of dieticians (which is a very difficult course to get into and complete) and they are either on part-time hours or trying to free-lance.

    I came from IT and got a qualification in medical science. That allows a much broader range of career options if you want to work in the health industry.


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    #83
    mickman
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    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    Nutrition isn't a booming market for jobs unfortunately. I know a couple of dieticians (which is a very difficult course to get into and complete) and they are either on part-time hours or trying to free-lance.

    I came from IT and got a qualification in medical science. That allows a much broader range of career options if you want to work in the health industry.

    what does medical science cover ?


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    #84
    El_Dangeroso
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    mickman wrote: »
    what does medical science cover ?

    Depends on the course. But there's loads of masters you can do. Anything from clinical research to bioinformatics (bit sorry I didn't do bioinformatics myself, the research they are doing is on the cutting edge)


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    #85
    mickman
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    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    Depends on the course. But there's loads of masters you can do. Anything from clinical research to bioinformatics (bit sorry I didn't do bioinformatics myself, the research they are doing is on the cutting edge)

    what kind of salary could you expect ? comparable to IT ?


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    #86
    El_Dangeroso
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    mickman wrote: »
    what kind of salary could you expect ? comparable to IT ?

    IT prob has higher salaries if not the same, but in my situation I wanted a more meaningful job, something that I was interested in that had a purpose to it.


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    #87
    mickman
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    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    IT prob has higher salaries if not the same, but in my situation I wanted a more meaningful job, something that I was interested in that had a purpose to it.

    I understand, I also work in IT, did you find work in the new role ? Is it more satisfying ?


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    #88
    El_Dangeroso
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    mickman wrote: »
    I understand, I also work in IT, did you find work in the new role ? Is it more satisfying ?

    There's bad days like with any job but yeah, I have to say I don't regret it one bit. IT skills always come in handy too.


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    #89
    mickman
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    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    There's bad days like with any job but yeah, I have to say I don't regret it one bit. IT skills always come in handy too.

    Can I pm you ?


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    #90
    Zephyr99
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    Thinderland I'm just interested to know how things turned out for you? I'm facing the dilemma of changing careers and would love to study something in nutrition. Any advice would be greatly appreciated 😊


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