Nutrition and Health Coaching course

Lantus · 13-02-2011 10:54pm

Sapsorrow wrote: »

My point is it's not good to go advising people with health issues

Nutrition isn't a static science, it's changing all the time and a lot of what was thought to be gospel is now proving to be bad advice, so a practitioner needs to be able to stay on top of all the emerging evidence if they are really going to be in a position to continually give sound advice over the course of their career, much in the same way as a doctor must stay on top of the latest medications, surgeries etc

Totally agree that underlying health issues should be dealt with at least at first or in part by someone with recognised qual. At the very least you have someone to sue if they malpractice.

Agree that SOME elements of nutrition is always changing, the bits that are changing most will be the supplements and packaged food where a knowledge of the interesting ingredients (the stuff you wont find wondering about in the wild) is required to ensure food costs are driven low and a minimum level of food safety and taste is retained.

The basics of what to eat and when to eat and what constitutes good food was established 50+ years ago. I dont think that any revolution in terms of fruit and veg will be discovered in the next few years. In fact I have a sneaky suspicion that my great great grandchildren will be eating fruit, veg, meat, fish and grain products on a daily basis. And maybe even a spalsh of milk in their tea!

There will always be soundbites and martketing speil about chocolate and wine and is it good or bad?!? Usually from an aspiring dietician trying to make a name for themselves in a competative market. It's mostly for show like the rows between x factor judges. Raises profiles but addds nothing to knowledge.

Sapsorrow · 13-02-2011 11:55pm

Lantus wrote: »

The basics of what to eat and when to eat and what constitutes good food was established 50+ years ago. I dont think that any revolution in terms of fruit and veg will be discovered in the next few years.

Maybe this can work for healthy people or people who only need to lose some weight, but this approach doesn't apply to sick people who need very carefully tailored diets to manage or treat their conditions. Foods that are considered healthy for the majority people can be very dangerous for others so you can't just apply one basic 'healthy' diet to every client you get.

Lantus · 14-02-2011 12:16pm

Sapsorrow wrote: »

Maybe this can work for healthy people or people who only need to lose some weight, but this approach doesn't apply to sick people who need very carefully tailored diets to manage or treat their conditions. Foods that are considered healthy for the majority people can be very dangerous for others so you can't just apply one basic 'healthy' diet to every client you get.

Again there is no agruement from here. The very few % of sick people should seek help from a dietician. The other 98% can come to me!

Sapsorrow · 14-02-2011 12:30pm

Lantus wrote: »

Again there is no agruement from here. The very few % of sick people should seek help from a dietician. The other 98% can come to me!

Ah are you a nutritional therapist then? *dawning realisation*

98% illness free!! :eek: where on earth do you live then?

Lantus · 14-02-2011 3:16pm

Sapsorrow wrote: »

Ah are you a nutritional therapist then? *dawning realisation*

98% illness free!! :eek: where on earth do you live then?

I prefer the term Lifestyle Consultant.....

Cheers

Sapsorrow · 14-02-2011 4:57pm

Lantus wrote: »

I prefer the term Lifestyle Consultant.....

Cheers

Cool

ciagr297 · 15-02-2011 12:16pm

brainyneuron wrote: »

I'm currently doing the IINH Nutrition and Health Coaching course (in Bray) so if anyone has any questions feel free to ask

Stayed away from this thread up till now as I didn't feel like defending myself against certain posters who were extremely negative about any course other than their own. Now that I've done more than half the course I feel better able to talk about/defend the course and fight my corner. :rolleyes:

can i ask what your motivation is for doing this? are you intending to work as a nutritionist later on? how will the new criteria for nutritionist affect you?

never heard of the course in Bray

Lantus · 16-02-2011 2:06pm

ciagr297 wrote: »

can i ask what your motivation is for doing this? are you intending to work as a nutritionist later on? how will the new criteria for nutritionist affect you?

never heard of the course in Bray

Perhaps you could clarify the new criteria and how and when it will be implemented?

Also, does anybody have any good recomendations for personal indemnity insurance for offering nutritional and healthy lifestyle advice?

ciagr297 · 16-02-2011 2:59pm

i know it was due to be enacted shortly, but i have no exact dates

i checked here http://www.indi.ie/index.php?page=30 which is the Institute for Clinical Nutrition and Dietitians

the site states

Please note there are currently no part time courses that will give individuals a qualification that will be recognised by the Statutory Registration Boards in either Ireland or the United Kingdom.

does anyone have links for the proposed legislation to make the title nutritionist protected?

ciagr297 · 16-02-2011 3:01pm

found this http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2004/4304/b4304s.pdf

Lantus · 16-02-2011 5:35pm

ciagr297 wrote: »

found this http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/bills28/bills/2004/4304/b4304s.pdf

Lists 11 specific jobs that are not defined as nutritionist, e.g. physio, speech therapist, dietician and defines them as specific roles. (which most of them ready are.)

Most professions are keen to get 'their' title protected. The European Engineering council has been trying to get the title Engineer protected for a decade or more to little avail. So the 5 to 9 years you need to become qualified and then Chartered (like me...) have little effect because anyone can write engineer on the side of their van and away they go!

If the term nutritionist can be protected then so could furniture maker, candle stick polisher, cleaner and just about everyone....

ciagr297 · 17-02-2011 8:32am

agreed, i only found this legislation item - i couldn't find the stuff relating specifically to nutritionist.

the irish nutrition and dietitics organisation does say on their website that no part time course is currently available which will be recognised by the official board for qualification - you can also ring the office in south dublin and ask directly

btw - i'm just trying to clarify the situation myself as i would not like to have forked out for a course and at the end realise my qualification is not worth the paper its written on

Lantus · 17-02-2011 11:00am

ciagr297 wrote: »

agreed, i only found this legislation item - i couldn't find the stuff relating specifically to nutritionist.

the irish nutrition and dietitics organisation does say on their website that no part time course is currently available which will be recognised by the official board for qualification - you can also ring the office in south dublin and ask directly

btw - i'm just trying to clarify the situation myself as i would not like to have forked out for a course and at the end realise my qualification is not worth the paper its written on

Even IF the term nutritionist could be protected (which I doubt.) people would just find a work around in 2 minutes. So even if your course had the word nutrition in it you could just use another title to describe what you do - Health advisor, food consultant, Nutrition Consultant (NOT Nutritionist!) and so on. See what I mean.

And I wrong when I said the Engineering council had been trying to protect the title of Engineer for over a decade. It's actually nearer 20 years.

Dietician is already a specific health care related title, why go to the bother of protecting another word that means much the same thing but will confuse people and will not solve the problem.

ciagr297 · 17-02-2011 2:42pm

Lantus wrote: »

Even IF the term nutritionist could be protected (which I doubt.) people would just find a work around in 2 minutes. So even if your course had the word nutrition in it you could just use another title to describe what you do - Health advisor, food consultant, Nutrition Consultant (NOT Nutritionist!) and so on. See what I mean.

And I wrong when I said the Engineering council had been trying to protect the title of Engineer for over a decade. It's actually nearer 20 years.

Dietician is already a specific health care related title, why go to the bother of protecting another word that means much the same thing but will confuse people and will not solve the problem.

why have they put so much time into trying to protect a job title at all?

and to be honest, its as much about protecting the person buying the product or service - i want to know the person is qualified to advise me. if i so want to, i can check that the person has attended a recognised and accredited course

teacosy · 17-02-2011 6:20pm

This is what the Nutrition Society (UK) tell the public:

http://www.nutritionsociety.org/index.php?q=node/208

Lantus · 17-02-2011 10:57pm

teacosy wrote: »

This is what the Nutrition Society (UK) tell the public:

http://www.nutritionsociety.org/index.php?q=node/208

Yeah.... basically we'd love to have OUR favourite word made even more special but by the way there is already a job that exists (Dietician) that does the same thing and more and is already protected....

I think that every pressure group and hobbiest would love to see their role being made even more special. The reality is it will probably never happen.

The European Engineering council has been trying to get Engineer protected for some time. People like structural, civil and other types of specialist engineers that are responsible for millions of euro's of design and potentially the safety of hundreds and thousands of people (imagine what would happen if a building collapsed or the nations sewerage system collapsed overnight. These are serious jobs for serious people. No offence but it's a far cry from telling a massive fatty to eat porridge for breakfast. They have been trying to get this title protected for several decades and I doubt will succeed in my lifetime. There are more important roles for more specialist and important jobs to be considered long before this will ever see the light of day.

Sapsorrow · 18-02-2011 5:15pm

Lantus wrote: »

YNo offence but it's a far cry from telling a massive fatty to eat porridge for breakfast.

:eek: Geez after reading that statement I really hope that you aren't a nutritional therapist or lifestyle consultant or whatever you like to call yourself.

Lantus · 20-02-2011 12:13am

Sapsorrow wrote: »

:eek: Geez after reading that statement I really hope that you aren't a nutritional therapist or lifestyle consultant or whatever you like to call yourself.

No offence intended! I'm just trying to make a point that people within an industry can have a very passionate view of it and it's importance which often doesn't match the reality.

Educating people on nutrition and lifestyle are very important and things I am very passionate about myself. But I also realise that they dont deserve having a range of protected titles in addition to those already created.

There are plenty of other proffessions that do much more dangerous, critical, risky, technical or plain difficult tasks that are even more deserving and have no protected status.

Any way, were getting off topic....maybe start a thread on whether it should be protected???

Papergirl 1 · 08-10-2011 1:48pm

brainyneuron wrote: »

I'm currently doing the IINH Nutrition and Health Coaching course (in Bray) so if anyone has any questions feel free to ask

Stayed away from this thread up till now as I didn't feel like defending myself against certain posters who were extremely negative about any course other than their own. Now that I've done more than half the course I feel better able to talk about/defend the course and fight my corner. :rolleyes:

Hi, I'm considering starting this course through distance education. I'd really like to know the employment opportunities on completion of the course. Can you tell me what you think of the course? Also, are you now working in this field as a result of the course? Thanks a mill....

Graftgirl · 02-05-2012 5:56pm

Fister wrote: »

I am really interested in the CNM course as it is the only PT option in Cork, i am very happy & would be very grateful to receive peoples opinion/advice on this either good or bad as it is a big commitment & price to pay but if people are critising the credentials of the College it would in my opinion only be right to do so if that person has concrete evidence. The nutritional course has been accredited by the IANT. Could they do this if the course was not seen to teach its students to an acceptable level to advice clients. I would like to know if u have taken the time to look at the Charles Sturt University website - Distance study is only a part of what they do or are you questioning their credibility also. They appear to me to be a v. well regarded institution.

In relation to CNM being affilliated with IANT... IANT was setup by the members of the CNM so that tells you something about the worth of IANT... there is no regulatory body to regulate them go with the Institute of Health science at least they are affilliated with the British association of nutritional therapists.. I have personal experience of CNM..
Graft

ThinderLand · 29-05-2012 2:51pm

Ok, I have read all the posts above and although they are quiet old I do think it is important to reply.

I am just finishing my 3.5 year nutritional therapy diploma with IINH.
IINH unlike other colleges have FETAC, BTEC and ITEC awards.

Yes this is a part-time diploma but I cannot relay to you the amount of work that goes into this course. It is quite difficult and demanding but worthwhile.
There are regular exams and assignments/projects to ensure you are learning what you are being taught. In 3rd year you need to complete 40 hours of clinical practice which brings all that you have learnt together. 3rd year is also your research year, you will need to complete critique's, literature review and dissertation along with other case study projects.

Yes this is a part-time course but with the amount of extra reading and project work there is little time for anything else. However, if you want to study Nutritional Therapy then you will do it because you love it !

To answer some of the comments above -
In this course you will learn about nutrition, functional medicine how your body works, and how nutrition or lack of it affects it. You will learn to review a client holistically with a functional medicine perspective.

This course is not a degree in Nutrition, it is a diploma in Nutritional Therapy. It is a focused diploma on nutritional therapy and how to work with people to make them change their lifestyle and improve their health.

I have grown as a person over the last 4 years studying with IINH not only is the course scientific but they also provide and teach counselling skills to help you develop as a therapist and a person. They focus on cooking through out the course as cooking and food is key to nutrition.

It is the carved blend by Richard Burton, director of IINH, who with his highly skilled team including a Medical doctor and researchers, created a scientific course with practical skills to enable you to help others to improve their health and lifestyle.

I will be glad to have this course completed but if I choose to continue - IINH have partnered with a university in the UK with which I can complete a masters.

This mode of learning has suited me, over the last 4 years I worked full time, got married and had a baby and now I am very close to a new qualification as a Nutritional Therapist.

There are many options to choose from when studying Nutritional Therapy, you just have to choose what is right for you. If anyone has any questions please let me know I would like to help, as I went through this process myself before I signed up to IINH.

El_Dangeroso · 29-05-2012 2:57pm

The thing is someone can call their dog a qualified nutritional therapist, it's not a protected title. It's cool you can do the masters out of it but you can do that with a regular degree in life-sciences too.

The competition is fierce to get into those masters too, I'd reckon a degree would put you more out in front than a diploma.

Also to complete the downer, there's no jobs even if you do get qualified as a bone fide dietician.

danlen · 29-05-2012 3:53pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

The thing is someone can call their dog a qualified nutritional therapist, it's not a protected title. It's cool you can do the masters out of it but you can do that with a regular degree in life-sciences too.

The competition is fierce to get into those masters too, I'd reckon a degree would put you more out in front than a diploma.

Also to complete the downer, there's no jobs even if you do get qualified as a bone fide dietician.

Are there any jobs in relation to nutrition atm? What about academia/research? Maybe better prospects in the UK??

El_Dangeroso · 29-05-2012 4:24pm

danlen wrote: »

Are there any jobs in relation to nutrition atm? What about academia/research? Maybe better prospects in the UK??

Cut-backs across the board at the moment so academia is probably harder to get into than industry, unless you do a Phd, and even then..

I'm doing some research at the moment but it's only tangentially related to what I really want to do.

teacosy · 29-05-2012 5:50pm

danlen wrote: »

Are there any jobs in relation to nutrition atm? What about academia/research? Maybe better prospects in the UK??

I think more than half of the 20 or so nutrition & dietetic graduates (TCD/DIT) got jobs so far in Ireland - the rest are working or doing research in the UK. all working in the area as far as i know. Not sure about pure nutrition grads, sorry.

danlen · 29-05-2012 8:23pm

Thanks for both replies guys. The reason I ask is that I would love to pursue a career in nutrition (research interests me alot but I am not closed off to working in industry) and have been thinking of applying for the masters in nutritional sciences in UCC.

I have an undergrad in Biological Sciences as well as one years teaching experience.

The only thing preventing me from throwing myself into studying nutrition is the risk of having zero employment prospects once I finish. Couple this with the 5k I will have to shell out to do the course. Pursuing a PhD in the area once I do the masters is also appealing, should I be able to secure funding.

I have also been weighing up doing a masters in Bioinformatics. This would seem to have the better employment prospects on completion of the course. Could I work in the nutrition sector as a bioinformatician perhaps?

Any advice would be great.

(sorry if I have done a bit of a hijack job on this thread!)

pppink · 24-01-2013 7:03pm

Frogdog wrote: »

I've read somewhere (so this might be true or not) that anyone can become a nutritionist without any formal qualification, whereas dietician is an actual profession where an accredited qualification is needed.

Anyone know is that's true?

yes, that is true.:p

Aisling.lola · 10-07-2014 1:27pm

Anyone know the difference between the ihs and cnm with regards to their naturopathy course ?

ciagr297 · 21-08-2014 9:21am

@danlen - My advice is Bioinformatics, I did a masters in this area. And its employable. What did you decide in the end?

pistol_75 · 25-08-2014 9:56pm

Went along to a open evening this evening. At the moment I'm swaying towards doing the course.

Currently working in IT but open to a career change and have an interest in Nutrition and see it as a growing market.

El_Dangeroso · 26-08-2014 8:26am

pistol_75 wrote: »

Went along to a open evening this evening. At the moment I'm swaying towards doing the course.

Currently working in IT but open to a career change and have an interest in Nutrition and see it as a growing market.

Nutrition isn't a booming market for jobs unfortunately. I know a couple of dieticians (which is a very difficult course to get into and complete) and they are either on part-time hours or trying to free-lance.

I came from IT and got a qualification in medical science. That allows a much broader range of career options if you want to work in the health industry.

mickman · 26-08-2014 10:34am

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Nutrition isn't a booming market for jobs unfortunately. I know a couple of dieticians (which is a very difficult course to get into and complete) and they are either on part-time hours or trying to free-lance.

I came from IT and got a qualification in medical science. That allows a much broader range of career options if you want to work in the health industry.

what does medical science cover ?

El_Dangeroso · 26-08-2014 10:48am

mickman wrote: »

what does medical science cover ?

Depends on the course. But there's loads of masters you can do. Anything from clinical research to bioinformatics (bit sorry I didn't do bioinformatics myself, the research they are doing is on the cutting edge)

mickman · 26-08-2014 11:16am

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Depends on the course. But there's loads of masters you can do. Anything from clinical research to bioinformatics (bit sorry I didn't do bioinformatics myself, the research they are doing is on the cutting edge)

what kind of salary could you expect ? comparable to IT ?

El_Dangeroso · 26-08-2014 1:33pm

mickman wrote: »

what kind of salary could you expect ? comparable to IT ?

IT prob has higher salaries if not the same, but in my situation I wanted a more meaningful job, something that I was interested in that had a purpose to it.

mickman · 26-08-2014 7:11pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

IT prob has higher salaries if not the same, but in my situation I wanted a more meaningful job, something that I was interested in that had a purpose to it.

I understand, I also work in IT, did you find work in the new role ? Is it more satisfying ?

El_Dangeroso · 26-08-2014 7:24pm

mickman wrote: »

I understand, I also work in IT, did you find work in the new role ? Is it more satisfying ?

There's bad days like with any job but yeah, I have to say I don't regret it one bit. IT skills always come in handy too.

mickman · 26-08-2014 8:51pm

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

There's bad days like with any job but yeah, I have to say I don't regret it one bit. IT skills always come in handy too.

Can I pm you ?

Zephyr99 · 12-10-2014 5:33pm

Thinderland I'm just interested to know how things turned out for you? I'm facing the dilemma of changing careers and would love to study something in nutrition. Any advice would be greatly appreciated ðŸ˜Š

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