Pairc Ui Chaoimh re-development

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ScrubsfanChris wrote:

Limerick probably deserves another big game this season, but should Thurles host another? 6 or 7 big games already took place there this summer. Under your plan no neutral game would ever be played in Cork.

In the case of a neutral venue for a match the most suitable neutral location should be picked. Take into account location, capacity, availability, parking / traffic. It's the height of disrespect to the fans to play it somewhere purely because it's been built.

There'll be about 75,000 people going to the matches this weekend. And about 65,000, 70,000 of them will be inconvenienced by the venue choice.

Actually I'd love to know how many people won't go because of the venue. A few thousand for sure.

lisasimpson

The quarter final weekend again highlights the shortage of hotels/hostels etc in the city very little availability. When are the new hotels/hostels due to begin?

namloc1980

Extra Ed Sheeran concert added on the Sunday night. Residents will be up in arms I'd say.

GavRedKing

Demand must have been good in Cork.

Some of his other gigs didnt sell out until past midday when they went on sale, which is surprising but when you dont have the entire country trying to get 1 set of tickets, its understandable.

zetalambda

GavRedKing wrote: »

Demand must have been good in Cork.

Some of his other gigs didnt sell out until past midday when they went on sale, which is surprising but when you dont have the entire country trying to get 1 set of tickets, its understandable.

The tour opens in Cork so you'd expect demand to be high

lisasimpson

Yes i can see residents kicking up on this im afraid.
The novelty factor with the lack of big gigs in cork down through the yrs would have added to demand. 3rd level students will still be around so exam season or not a lot of them will go

mik_da_man

GavRedKing wrote: »

Demand must have been good in Cork.

Some of his other gigs didnt sell out until past midday when they went on sale, which is surprising but when you dont have the entire country trying to get 1 set of tickets, its understandable.

Cork didn't sell till past midday either!

siblers

mik_da_man wrote: »

Cork didn't sell till past midday either!

That was due to the volume of traffic though, if the Ticketmaster system could handle more sales at a single time, it would have sold out a lot quicker. Lots of people had been trying since 9am to get tickets but couldn't

GavRedKing

There was people outside Ticketmaster 2 nights before they went on sale apparently on Merchants Quay.

mik_da_man

GavRedKing wrote: »

There was people outside Ticketmaster 2 nights before they went on sale apparently on Merchants Quay.

I heard a lad on the radio, he was there @ 11 am on Wednesday!!

Cape Clear

mik_da_man wrote: »

I heard a lad on the radio, he was there @ 11 am on Wednesday!!

Sounded like a right tool.

Shedite27

Was down for a look around over the weekend. One thing you can see from the outside is the stand at the back of the main stand. I reckon it would hold about 1000, has corporate facilities and overlooks the "training pitch". Would be lovely to have some club games there on summer evenings. Standing around the pitch perimeter, seats inside with a full bar. Kinda reminds me of Curraheen Park, could make a great night out from a minor-ish sporting event

The_Kew_Tour

Hawk eye will be in PUC

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0711/889348-new-score-detection-system-coming-to/

Water John

Good, a controversy would be a pity.

sheff the ref

How much per concert can Pairc Ui Chaoimh expect to make? €1 million?

clerk

sheff the ref wrote: »

How much per concert can Pairc Ui Chaoimh expect to make? €1 million?

Say 45,000 is the attendance (tbc)

Approx. ticket price is €85

That's €3.825m per night. €1m per night sounds reasonable.

Merchandising would be extra. They'll clean up in the Corporate section, (circa 2,000 seats - tbc) most people will be on the piss if they so wish. Plus most people will probably have a dinner there. Say a €50 spend per head is another €100k per night, less salaries, supplies etc.

No idea what the merchandising will be in the rest of the stadium, food, beer etc. but say €20 per person that's 43,000 @ €20 = €860,000 per night.

So they should roughly bring in another €1m per night (less costs), for pig iron they should be making another €400k per night in profit.

So all in they could be clearing €4m +. Badly needed monies and great for the City for that weekend.

Plus there's going to be a tonne of money spent in the City which is great. The likes of the Venue will clean up. The hotels are going to make a small fortune. It's been a good while so badly needed.

sheff the ref

What is the expected total debt on the Stadium?

clerk wrote: »

Say 45,000 is the attendance (tbc)

Approx. ticket price is €85

That's €3.825m per night. €1m per night sounds reasonable.

Merchandising would be extra. They'll clean up in the Corporate section, (circa 2,000 seats - tbc) most people will be on the piss if they so wish. Plus most people will probably have a dinner there. Say a €50 spend per head is another €100k per night, less salaries, supplies etc.

No idea what the merchandising will be in the rest of the stadium, food, beer etc. but say €20 per person that's 43,000 @ €20 = €860,000 per night.

So they should roughly bring in another €1m per night (less costs), for pig iron they should be making another €400k per night in profit.

So all in they could be clearing €4m +. Badly needed monies and great for the City for that weekend.

Plus there's going to be a tonne of money spent in the City which is great. The likes of the Venue will clean up. The hotels are going to make a small fortune. It's been a good while so badly needed.

clerk

sheff the ref wrote: »

What is the expected total debt on the Stadium?

Cost budgeted €70m
Actual €82m

Funding
GAA €26m
Govt €30m need the stadium for the Rugby World Cup
CCB €8
Total €64m

10 Year tickets €13m 2,000 @ €6,500

Total €77m

Naming rights €5m ?? l have no idea really, say €5m for 5 Years ?

Income €82m

Shortfall €Nil


As a concert venue the stadium should be a big success.

The conferencing facilities should clean up and should be an all Year round income stream albeit where people will park is anybodies guess !!

Obviously there are complications like the 10 Year tickets are not sold and are unlikely to be until next Year at least and the naming rights are not sorted but could be funded via a 5 Year loan.

Could be debt free in less than 5 Years if managed properly but the CCB coffers are completely wiped out which is not good in general for Cork GAA.

In the medium to long term the stadium should be a big success the 3 Ed Sheeran concerts and the 2 All-Ireland Quarters is a nice start too.

Shedite27

sheff the ref wrote: »

What is the expected total debt on the Stadium?

Gaa + debt

Good one!

lukin

clerk wrote: »

Cost budgeted €70m
Actual €82m

Funding
GAA €26m
Govt €30m need the stadium for the Rugby World Cup
CCB €8
Total €64m

10 Year tickets €13m 2,000 @ €6,500

Total €77m

Naming rights €5m ?? l have no idea really, say €5m for 5 Years ?

Income €82m

Shortfall €Nil


As a concert venue the stadium should be a big success.

The conferencing facilities should clean up and should be an all Year round income stream albeit where people will park is anybodies guess !!

Obviously there are complications like the 10 Year tickets are not sold and are unlikely to be until next Year at least and the naming rights are not sorted but could be funded via a 5 Year loan.

Could be debt free in less than 5 Years if managed properly but the CCB coffers are completely wiped out which is not good in general for Cork GAA.

In the medium to long term the stadium should be a big success the 3 Ed Sheeran concerts and the 2 All-Ireland Quarters is a nice start too.

Nil shortfall? There will be a significant shortfall.The ten year tickets are not selling well,that's common knowledge. We can't find out how many have been sold so far of course because the CCB won't answer questions on it.
However the fact they won't say how many have been sold so far indicates they haven't sold very many.

sheff the ref

I am interested in the conferencing as I would imagine that Cork is already well catered for in terms of conference facilities etc.

The 10 year tickets do not represent value for money as there are no guaranteed games in Cork. Granted they are due some return games from Home and Away arrangements but they will dry up quickly

A 10 year premium seat in Croke Park costs €13,500.
https://crokepark.ie/match-day/premium

In Cork you are paying less than half of that, but you are not getting the value.

In Croke Park you will get 12 attractive fixtures from May to September not including replays

Hurling:
1.All Ireland Final
2.All Ireland Semi Final 1
3.All Ireland Semi Final 2
4.Leinster Hurling Final

Football
5.Division 1 League Final
6.Leinster Football Final
7.Qualifier Round before Quarter Finals
8.Quarter Final Day 1
9.Quarter Final Day 2
10.All Ireland Semi Final 1
11.All Ireland Semi Final 2
12.All Ireland Final

You definitely get more bang for your buck in Croke Park. €1350 per year divided by 12 works out at €112.50 average per game. You also have bonus games like Camogie, Ladies Football, Club etc.

In Pairc Ui Chaoimh you will not achieve an average cost per game as low as that.

clerk wrote: »

Cost budgeted €70m
Actual €82m

Funding
GAA €26m
Govt €30m need the stadium for the Rugby World Cup
CCB €8
Total €64m

10 Year tickets €13m 2,000 @ €6,500

Total €77m

Naming rights €5m ?? l have no idea really, say €5m for 5 Years ?

Income €82m

Shortfall €Nil


As a concert venue the stadium should be a big success.

The conferencing facilities should clean up and should be an all Year round income stream albeit where people will park is anybodies guess !!

Obviously there are complications like the 10 Year tickets are not sold and are unlikely to be until next Year at least and the naming rights are not sorted but could be funded via a 5 Year loan.

Could be debt free in less than 5 Years if managed properly but the CCB coffers are completely wiped out which is not good in general for Cork GAA.

In the medium to long term the stadium should be a big success the 3 Ed Sheeran concerts and the 2 All-Ireland Quarters is a nice start too.

namloc1980

sheff the ref wrote: »

I am interested in the conferencing as I would imagine that Cork is already well catered for in terms of conference facilities etc.

The 10 year tickets do not represent value for money as there are no guaranteed games in Cork. Granted they are due some return games from Home and Away arrangements but they will dry up quickly

A 10 year premium seat in Croke Park costs €13,500.
https://crokepark.ie/match-day/premium

In Cork you are paying less than half of that, but you are not getting the value.

In Croke Park you will get 12 attractive fixtures from May to September not including replays

Hurling:
1.All Ireland Final
2.All Ireland Semi Final 1
3.All Ireland Semi Final 2
4.Leinster Hurling Final

Football
5.Division 1 League Final
6.Leinster Football Final
7.Qualifier Round before Quarter Finals
8.Quarter Final Day 1
9.Quarter Final Day 2
10.All Ireland Semi Final 1
11.All Ireland Semi Final 2
12.All Ireland Final

You definitely get more bang for your buck in Croke Park. €1350 per year divided by 12 works out at €112.50 average per game. You also have bonus games like Camogie, Ladies Football, Club etc.

In Pairc Ui Chaoimh you will not achieve an average cost per game as low as that.

Home league games. 3 or 4 in football. 2 or 3 in Hurling.

sheff the ref

Dublin home League games and Spring Series double headers werent included in my Croke Park analysis

namloc1980 wrote: »

Home league games. 3 or 4 in football. 2 or 3 in Hurling.

Shedite27

sheff the ref wrote: »

I am interested in the conferencing as I would imagine that Cork is already well catered for in terms of conference facilities etc.

The 10 year tickets do not represent value for money as there are no guaranteed games in Cork. Granted they are due some return games from Home and Away arrangements but they will dry up quickly

A 10 year premium seat in Croke Park costs €13,500.
https://crokepark.ie/match-day/premium

In Cork you are paying less than half of that, but you are not getting the value.

In Croke Park you will get 12 attractive fixtures from May to September not including replays

Hurling:
1.All Ireland Final
2.All Ireland Semi Final 1
3.All Ireland Semi Final 2
4.Leinster Hurling Final

Football
5.Division 1 League Final
6.Leinster Football Final
7.Qualifier Round before Quarter Finals
8.Quarter Final Day 1
9.Quarter Final Day 2
10.All Ireland Semi Final 1
11.All Ireland Semi Final 2
12.All Ireland Final

You definitely get more bang for your buck in Croke Park. €1350 per year divided by 12 works out at €112.50 average per game. You also have bonus games like Camogie, Ladies Football, Club etc.

In Pairc Ui Chaoimh you will not achieve an average cost per game as low as that.

Nobody's buying the 10 year ticket to save money, in Croke Park or PUC. It's the same reason someone buys a BMW over a Nissan. Some people like the comforts.

PTH2009

Are the Cork CB going too do a similar spring series thing for Cork in the leagues ???

With the new championship structures coming in next year the league's will not be as important as they are now and won't attract the crowds

With the 2018 hurling structure each Munster team will get 2 home games and the Munster final might be played in PUC depending on who's in it. Depends on the football draw and if Cork make the super 8 (doubtful on there form this year)

Be happy with ur new stadium, us in Waterford are stuck with 2 kips in Walsh Park and Fraher Field.

clerk

lukin wrote: »

Nil shortfall? There will be a significant shortfall.The ten year tickets are not selling well,that's common knowledge. We can't find out how many have been sold so far of course because the CCB won't answer questions on it.
However the fact they won't say how many have been sold so far indicates they haven't sold very many.

Yes, l agree as it stands and yes they've made a bit of a balls of it so far. Very poor communication around the 10 Year tickets (no concerts announced until last week, were any games going to happen in 2017? no body knew really) and the price is on the high side no question. At some stage they'll sell alright.

Interestingly if the 2023 Rugby World cup bid comes through it makes the 10 Year ticket and the naming rights way more attractive. How ironic is that.

ScrubsfanChris

@TheCorkRebels
@donalalong

clerk

sheff the ref wrote: »

In Pairc Ui Chaoimh you will not achieve an average cost per game as low as that.

I agree with as it stands the Croke Park 10 Year tickets are way better value particularly if you're a Dub or living in Dublin. But consider that l'm not and l'm living in Cork and my business can afford €6,500 written off over 10 Years, anything that is elite will always sell in the end. Once they start selling they will gather up a head of steam.

Even if they dropped the price to say €5,000 (which l very much doubt they will do) from the current price of €6,500 it still brings in €10m and that's only for 10 Years. It's a constant income stream after that.

They'll sell alright in the end, nobody was buying in 2017 because nobody had any confidence there were going to any matches there. Plus we hadn't seen the stadium, now we have concerts, matches and the stadium is open so we can all have a look see. It will start to take off a bit more now.

The 10 Year tickets also gives you first dibs on concert tickets and the Rugby World cup tickets for 2023 which will be like gold dust if it comes to pass, announced 15th Nov-17.

clerk

sheff the ref wrote: »

I am interested in the conferencing as I would imagine that Cork is already well catered for in terms of conference facilities etc.

No Cork is badly catered for in terms of conferencing, particularly in the City centre, which is where you need it. The City centre hotels are generally poorly equipped in terms of proper conferencing facilities. The Clarion is about the best of them and it attracts a load of events but l think Pairc Ui Chaoimh is on a higher level again. It'll just be pure business. If the facilities are there and they're up to scratch they will be used, nothing to do with the GAA as such.

JP Liz V1

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Hawk eye will be in PUC

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0711/889348-new-score-detection-system-coming-to/

Any chance Hulk or Ironman will be too