Bullfighting-not so bad (relatively)

Kent Brockman

http://bluepanjeet.net/2008/11/22/1594/the-horrible-whale-and-dolphin-massacre-tradition-of-faroe-islands-in-denmark/

This is sick.:(

My name is URL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GosClBN6rzk

But yeah.. pretty sick alright

rovert

Different culture you cant judge.

Banned Account

See what happens when you send Brian Kerr somewhere.



P.S. Denmark my arse.

thebigbiffo

haha, i think it's pretty f'uckin cool. it rocks!



















only joking

the keen edge

Poor islander's must be starving.

Use to be like that here in Galway, till we got a KFC.

The_Kew_Tour

Can imagine people eating and opening up this thread at same time will be like once they see this

IvyTheTerrible

rovert wrote: »

Different culture you cant judge.

I don't buy that. Some things that are wrong, are wrong no matter where they happen.

The_Minister

The sea is literally running red....

bijapos

Go into any abbatoir in this country and look the cattle, pigs or sheep in the eye when they come off a truck. They know whats going on, its no different to what the Faroe islanders are doing. They do it in the open, we do it behind a wall. No difference I'm afraid.

For that matter look at how pigs or chickens are raised here, also inhumane imo. And how does that fish in the can of mackerel die? Yep they suffocate. Not fair either.





(and no I'm not vegetarian either)

thebigbiffo

rovert wrote: »

Different culture you cant judge.

cannabalism ok with you?

Banned Account

The_Minister wrote: »

The sea is literally running red....

Shhhh ... Don't tell the Israeli's that or they'll be over with Moses looking to move in;)

IvyTheTerrible

bijapos wrote: »

Go into any abbatoir in this country and look the cattle, pigs or sheep in the eye when they come off a truck. They know whats going on, its no different to what the Faroe islanders are doing. They do it in the open, we do it behind a wall. No difference I'm afraid.

For that matter look at how pigs or chickens are raised here, also inhumane imo. And how does that fish in the can of mackerel die? Yep they suffocate. Not fair either.





(and no I'm not vegetarian either)

Yes (and I'm not a big fan of inhumane animal slaughter) but those cows, pigs sheep etc are raised to be killed and eaten. These people are killing wild animals that are in short supply. In fact, in Japan, eating whale has gone somewhat out of fashion, so they are killing them and just storing them.

rovert

thebigbiffo wrote: »

cannabalism ok with you?

As long as it is consensual.

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

I don't buy that. Some things that are wrong, are wrong no matter where they happen.

Thank you Mr. Arbiter

thebigbiffo

rovert wrote: »

As long as it is consensual.

you win

Stercus Accidit

Thats a pretty sensationalist article.

What would the Indians think of our wholesale slaughter of cattle?

One of the most ignorant things I've seen linked on AH, they do eat the meat FFS.

Gnomercy

Dolphins are just gay sharks

The_Minister

Gnomercy wrote: »

Dolphins are just gay sharks

I'm ashamed to say that I get this reference.

bijapos

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Yes (and I'm not a big fan of inhumane animal slaughter) but those cows, pigs sheep etc are raised to be killed and eaten.

Raised inhumanely (a lot of the time) and killed inhumanely, as opposed to the Faroese where they are raised humanely (i.e. in the wild) and killed inhumanely. Sorry but to me its the pot (us) calling the kettle (them) black here.

These people are killing wild animals that are in short supply

AFAIK the type of whale that are caught in the Faroes are exempted from International Whaling Commission regulations. There is a quota set by the Faroese every year as to how many may be caught, however I have no idea however if they are endangered.

Gnomercy

The_Minister wrote: »

I'm ashamed to say that I get this reference.

Why are you ashamed?

dr.bollocko

It says:

For more information on Killing Whales in Faroe Islands, Click Here.

But then the link is a 404 not a holiday brochure.

arybvtcw0eolkf

bijapos wrote: »

Go into any abbatoir in this country and look the cattle, pigs or sheep in the eye when they come off a truck. They know whats going on

No they don't actually. They haven't a clue.

I worked in a slaughter house for years and heard that myth before I worked there and was asked hundreds of times whilst working and after leaving.

The animals have no idea they're for the slaughter.

dr.bollocko

Scott Most Speedy wrote: »

No they don't actually. They haven't a clue.

I worked in a slaughter house for years and heard that myth before I worked there and was asked hundreds of times whilst working and after leaving.

The animals have no idea they're for the slaughter.

Very true. They've put a lot of thought into slaughter house design:

n the latter part of the 20th century, the layout and design of most US slaughterhouses has been significantly influenced by the work of Dr. Temple Grandin.[7] It was her fascination with patterns and flow that first led her to redesign the layout of cattle holding pens.

Grandin's primary objective was to reduce the stress and suffering of animals being led to slaughter. In particular she applied an intuitive understanding of animal psychology to design pens and corrals which funnel a herd of animals arriving at a slaughterhouse into a single file ready for slaughter. Her corrals employ long sweeping curves so that each animal is prevented from seeing what lies ahead and just concentrates on the hind quarters of the animal in front of it. This design also attempts to override the animal's survival instincts and prevent them from reversing direction.

Grandin now claims to have designed over 54% of the slaughterhouses in the United States as well as many other slaughterhouses around the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaughterhouse#Animal_welfare_concerns

bonerm

Gnomercy wrote: »

Why are you ashamed?

Google suggests it might be from the show "Glee"?

IF so then the poster is rightfully ashamed. Viewing that show is more shameful that killing some evil whales (not Dolphins), which is what I believe the Faroe Islanders (not Danes specifically) are doing in those pix (which are currently blocked for me).

Gnomercy

bonerm wrote: »

Google suggests it might be from the show "Glee"?

IF so then the poster is rightfully ashamed. Viewing that show is more shameful that killing some evil whales (not Dolphins), which is what I believe the Faroe Islanders (not Danes specifically) are doing in those pix (which are currently blocked for me).

Oh i didnt realise it was from Glee.
I agree, watching an episode of Glee would make me feel sicker than looking at those pics.
What Glee have done to some of my all time favourite songs is just sick too.

Richard tea

Picture number 10 looks like he is having a Whale of a time:p

Gnomercy

Richard tea wrote: »

Picture number 10 looks like he is having a Whale of a time:p

I can sea that

liah

I'd like to know the reasons for the slaughter prior to condemning it.

In the north of Canada, seal hunting is very controversial, as you can imagine. Protests arise every single time this tradition takes place, driven by people who do not understand the tradition or the reasons for the tradition to exist.

The seal slaughter is a very necessary evil in order for the ecosystem to remain balanced. They run rampant and overpopulate and destroy their environment if allowed to develop without being culled. It's also got its roots in ancient Inuit and Native American traditions, where they were the main (surprisingly nutritious) food supply and in some villages still are.

Hunting in general in Canada is much the same. Populations need to be culled and kept in check for the long-term survival of not only the species being hunted, but the other species in the environment it lives in. Protests take place constantly against it by people who don't understand the delicate balance that needs to be kept to ensure the world keeps turning.

Now, I know very little of the Faroe Island whale thing, but I'd imagine its quite similar to the seal hunt. On the surface it's quite a barbaric practice, but perhaps it would be better to educate oneself on the reasons behind it before automatically assuming it is unnecessary and horrible.

Gnomercy

liah wrote: »

I'd like to know the reasons for the slaughter prior to condemning it.

In the north of Canada, seal hunting is very controversial, as you can imagine.

Well i've always enjoyed going clubbing i have to say

Zombienosh

**** tradition, these people are backwards.

ScumLord

bijapos wrote: »

Go into any abbatoir in this country and look the cattle, pigs or sheep in the eye when they come off a truck. They know whats going on, its no different to what the Faroe islanders are doing. They do it in the open, we do it behind a wall. No difference I'm afraid.

For that matter look at how pigs or chickens are raised here, also inhumane imo. And how does that fish in the can of mackerel die? Yep they suffocate. Not fair either.





(and no I'm not vegetarian either)

Like Makikomi said this is just untrue. Imagination is a particularly unique human trait. Also these animals are transported regularly they'd be well used to it and fairly trusting of the hand that feeds them.

bijapos wrote: »

Raised inhumanely (a lot of the time) and killed inhumanely, as opposed to the Faroese where they are raised humanely (i.e. in the wild) and killed inhumanely. Sorry but to me its the pot (us) calling the kettle (them) black here.

This is more bull****, perhaps true in other counties but Irish animals are treated very well.

bluto63

bonerm wrote: »

Google suggests it might be from the show "Glee"?

IF so then the poster is rightfully ashamed. Viewing that show is more shameful that killing some evil whales (not Dolphins), which is what I believe the Faroe Islanders (not Danes specifically) are doing in those pix (which are currently blocked for me).

I wouldn't have realised it was from Glee. I saw it on a t shirt about 5 years ago. So it's not like they came up with it

Oh, and yea, the whale hunting is bad alright. The difference between our meat industry and this is that this is glorified and turned into an event. I'm not a fan of killing for sport so I'd be against this too

Misty Chaos

When I saw the first image of the sea being turned red I thought it was photoshopped!

As gruesome and inhumane as this is, there are a lot worse atrocities being committed on on our fellow man all over the world, things that I don't need to go into.

As much as I care for the rights of animals, human rights are placed higher in my list priorities than that of animals. Sort that out first, THEN we'll talk about animal rights. In some cases, animals have more rights than some people and that is not right.

Just my thoughts.

Zombienosh

The word TRADITION gets used alot when people are trying to justify terrible ignorant acts.

rovert

AlcoholicA wrote: »

The word TRADITION gets used alot when people are trying to justify terrible ignorant acts.

see: The Wolfe Tones

TPD

Am I the only one that laughed at the comments under the article? How easily people get riled up.

The article provides one side of the story, I'd wait for the other side before condemning it.

Kent Brockman

Kent Brockman wrote: »

http://bluepanjeet.net/2008/11/22/1594/the-horrible-whale-and-dolphin-massacre-tradition-of-faroe-islands-in-denmark/

This is sick.:(

I skipped all the preachy shite and just looked at the pictures.. Looks pretty cool. No different to an abattoir in my book.

bijapos

ScumLord wrote: »

Like Makikomi said this is just untrue. Imagination is a particularly unique human trait. Also these animals are transported regularly they'd be well used to it and fairly trusting of the hand that feeds them.

Its not untrue, animals sense things better than we do. Two examples:
1. I lived for a while overlooking a yard where a butcher has a small slaughterhouse, usually slaughtering two bullocks per week. They came out of a trailer and it was a serious job to get them into the slaughterhouse, roaring their heads off, they knew what was coming.
2. My mothers Westie had an operation done on her by a vet in Longford, a couple of years later the dog (blinded by a fight with a fox) had panic attacks when she was taken into the room where she was operated on. She was taken down once or twice a year for a trim, always had to be done in the other room. Vet said its normal, they can sense where they previously experienced pain.

That said, its an interesting link to the slaughterhouse designer, did not know about that and its good to hear.

This is more bull****, perhaps true in other counties but Irish animals are treated very well.

Go to a chicken farm, I did 6 years ago, cant eat chicken since unless its guaranteed free range. Pig farms are the same, its all well documented.

Dont be at yourself

Who gives a fiddlers, really? Nobody sheds a tear for the pig that's going to provide my ham sandwich at lunch time, the fly I swatted this morning or the bacteria I killed washing my hands.

People go ooh and aah over dolphins and whales because they're cute and because of the myth that most of them are threatened with extinction. It's hypocritical - dolphins and whales have no more a right to live or die than any other animal.

bijapos wrote:

Go to a chicken farm, I did 6 years ago, cant eat chicken since unless its guaranteed free range. Pig farms are the same, its all well documented.

Go to a free range chicken farm. http://www.upc-online.org/freerange.html

Deus Ex Machina

The trait of empathy was selected in homo sapiens because it was beneficial in the struggle towards perpetuating one's genetic lineage. I think that all inter species feelings of empathy are nothing more than a misfiring of this our natural empathetic drives, whether it is vegatarianism or feeling sorrow for these slaughtered dolphins.

ScumLord

bijapos wrote: »

Its not untrue, animals sense things better than we do. Two examples:
1. I lived for a while overlooking a yard where a butcher has a small slaughterhouse, usually slaughtering two bullocks per week. They came out of a trailer and it was a serious job to get them into the slaughterhouse, roaring their heads off, they knew what was coming.
2. My mothers Westie had an operation done on her by a vet in Longford, a couple of years later the dog (blinded by a fight with a fox) had panic attacks when she was taken into the room where she was operated on. She was taken down once or twice a year for a trim, always had to be done in the other room. Vet said its normal, they can sense where they previously experienced pain.

That said, its an interesting link to the slaughterhouse designer, did not know about that and its good to hear.

Our dog hated going to the vet to, even though every time she went she came out better than when they went in. Our vet was fairly heavy handed, more used to cattle. If animals have a bad experience they'll remember it but they can't construct a possible outcome in their mind they don't process that mental capacity. They only know what they've already experienced.

Go to a chicken farm, I did 6 years ago, cant eat chicken since unless its guaranteed free range. Pig farms are the same, its all well documented.

I live next to one, their disgusting examples of intensive farming abusing animals. I hate intensive farming. Cattle and sheep have it good in this country, chickens and pigs don't. If they're farmed properly they can have a great life being raised for slaughter. We fulfil all their needs and wants then one day they die as humanly as possible. It's still the best deal of any predator on the planet. A hell of a allot better than getting eaten alive by wolfs.

Sykk

rovert wrote: »

Different culture you cant judge.

What a pig ignorant thing to say.

If a country started chopping off the heads of kids every July for the yearly culture, does that make it okay?

Different culture you cant judge.

Andrew Flexing

ScumLord wrote: »

Like Makikomi said this is just untrue. Imagination is a particularly unique human trait. Also these animals are transported regularly they'd be well used to it and fairly trusting of the hand that feeds them.

This is more bull****, perhaps true in other counties but Irish animals are treated very well.

Untrue. Studies have shown a significant increase in stress levels in livestock en route to slaughter houses from farms. The same goes for while inside the slughterhouse. While I agree somewhat that the livestock mightn't know why they are at the abbitoirs, their stress levels are significantly higher than before they left the farms.

Mal-Adjusted

the keen edge wrote: »

Use to be like that here in Galway, till we got a KFC.

hold up! where's the KFC in Galway!!?:eek:

ScumLord

Andrew Flexing wrote: »

Untrue. Studies have shown a significant increase in stress levels in livestock en route to slaughter houses from farms. The same goes for while inside the slughterhouse. While I agree somewhat that the livestock mightn't know why they are at the abbitoirs, their stress levels are significantly higher than before they left the farms.

So the cows know somehow that they're going to a slaughter house? Somewhere they've never been before.

They're transported a few times in their lives, why would they jump to such a conclusion? I'd believe their stress levels go up every time they are transported but I don't believe for one second they can either translate what the farmers are saying or have some sort of psychic abilities.

Kent Brockman

rovert wrote: »

Different culture you cant judge.

lol when did you start trolling:rolleyes:

It just seems so barbaric and violent. They are being hacked to death in and among other half dead and hacked creatures.

I know I couldnt attack and maim/slaughter an innocent animal/mammal with those tools/weapons that they are using.
The ones doing it are obviously getting a kick out of it too.....

Andrew Flexing

ScumLord wrote: »

So the cows know somehow that they're going to a slaughter house? Somewhere they've never been before.

They're transported a few times in their lives, why would they jump to such a conclusion? I'd believe their stress levels go up every time they are transported but I don't believe for one second they can either translate what the farmers are saying or have some sort of psychic abilities.

I never said that they knew they were going to an abbatoir, just that cortisol levels are significantly raised in the process of transportation. I'll leave that "psychic ability" theory of yours to your uniqely human imagination. My post in response to a inaccurate statement by yourself regarding welfare issues surrounding the transport, you said they are "well used to it" and it's not an issue. Well, it is...


read the below link for more...

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=UkTkMXsifOgC&oi=fnd&pg=PA151&dq=livestock+stress+levels+in+transport&ots=AoEhGzxMZ2&sig=VLvXa3-330iwrncl3ZbsAW4s3ZA#v=onepage&q=livestock%20stress%20levels%20in%20transport&f=false

ScumLord

Andrew Flexing wrote: »

I never said that they knew they were going to an abbatoir, just that cortisol levels are significantly raised in the process of transportation.

But that doesn't mean anything on it's own, I get stressed using public transport too. Are they more stressed than they would be just trying to be the first one to the feeding trough? Stress is all part of life, saying they're slightly stressed during a slightly stressing event doesn't mean much as with these type of animals once the stressing event is over they go back to normal fairly quickly. They won't stay stressed.

Andrew Flexing

ScumLord wrote: »

But that doesn't mean anything on it's own, I get stressed using public transport too. Are they more stressed than they would be just trying to be the first one to the feeding trough? Stress is all part of life, saying they're slightly stressed during a slightly stressing event doesn't mean much as with these type of animals once the stressing event is over they go back to normal fairly quickly. They won't stay stressed.

This is getting off the point ofthe OP but you are wrong again. Extreme stress sometimes experienced by livestock on transport truck can cause a reduced quality in meat (that's how stresses they can get!) and some animals die in the trucks too. That's a bit more stressful than your public transport...!

ScumLord

Andrew Flexing wrote: »

This is getting off the point ofthe OP but you are wrong again. Extreme stress sometimes experienced by livestock on transport truck can cause a reduced quality in meat (that's how stresses they can get!) and some animals die in the trucks too. That's a bit more stressful than your public transport...!

I think your talking about high intensity farms though which isn't common at all in Ireland. Irish cattle have a fairly good life if cows where really that stressed by the actions of the farmers that look after them they wouldn't run to them (and only them) when they come into the field.

I can see this happen out my window at work, I can see the cattle being transported on a daily basis through town, in most cases it's just one or two bovine (more than likely bulls I suppose) and they look relaxed, although being a bull I suppose he has some idea what he'll be doing on arrival.

I've seen battery hens rammed into a van too there's a chicken farm in town as well, those animals look horrible and tormented that's why I do my damnedest to avoid eating cheap chicken.

Farmers in Ireland do care about there animals I've seen them almost come to tears when telling me that one of their sheep was killed by foxes. I just don't think people that care that much about their animals are going to want to see them suffer.

BraziliaNZ

As far as humanity's crimes towards the planet and wildlife go, this is pretty tame, really tame in fact, compared to something like the BP spill, overfishing, destruction of natural habitats to facilitate consumerism etc. We're f*cked, because the world has limited resources and consumerism demands constant - well - consumption of resources! Simple as that, a few whales dying should be the least of our worries.