bonerm wrote: » Google suggests it might be from the show "Glee"? IF so then the poster is rightfully ashamed. Viewing that show is more shameful that killing some evil whales (not Dolphins), which is what I believe the Faroe Islanders (not Danes specifically) are doing in those pix (which are currently blocked for me).
AlcoholicA wrote: » The word TRADITION gets used alot when people are trying to justify terrible ignorant acts.
Kent Brockman wrote: » http://bluepanjeet.net/2008/11/22/1594/the-horrible-whale-and-dolphin-massacre-tradition-of-faroe-islands-in-denmark/ This is sick.:(
ScumLord wrote: » Like Makikomi said this is just untrue. Imagination is a particularly unique human trait. Also these animals are transported regularly they'd be well used to it and fairly trusting of the hand that feeds them.
This is more bull****, perhaps true in other counties but Irish animals are treated very well.
bijapos wrote: Go to a chicken farm, I did 6 years ago, cant eat chicken since unless its guaranteed free range. Pig farms are the same, its all well documented.
bijapos wrote: » Its not untrue, animals sense things better than we do. Two examples: 1. I lived for a while overlooking a yard where a butcher has a small slaughterhouse, usually slaughtering two bullocks per week. They came out of a trailer and it was a serious job to get them into the slaughterhouse, roaring their heads off, they knew what was coming. 2. My mothers Westie had an operation done on her by a vet in Longford, a couple of years later the dog (blinded by a fight with a fox) had panic attacks when she was taken into the room where she was operated on. She was taken down once or twice a year for a trim, always had to be done in the other room. Vet said its normal, they can sense where they previously experienced pain. That said, its an interesting link to the slaughterhouse designer, did not know about that and its good to hear.
Go to a chicken farm, I did 6 years ago, cant eat chicken since unless its guaranteed free range. Pig farms are the same, its all well documented.
rovert wrote: » Different culture you cant judge.
ScumLord wrote: » Like Makikomi said this is just untrue. Imagination is a particularly unique human trait. Also these animals are transported regularly they'd be well used to it and fairly trusting of the hand that feeds them. This is more bull****, perhaps true in other counties but Irish animals are treated very well.
the keen edge wrote: » Use to be like that here in Galway, till we got a KFC.
Andrew Flexing wrote: » Untrue. Studies have shown a significant increase in stress levels in livestock en route to slaughter houses from farms. The same goes for while inside the slughterhouse. While I agree somewhat that the livestock mightn't know why they are at the abbitoirs, their stress levels are significantly higher than before they left the farms.
ScumLord wrote: » So the cows know somehow that they're going to a slaughter house? Somewhere they've never been before. They're transported a few times in their lives, why would they jump to such a conclusion? I'd believe their stress levels go up every time they are transported but I don't believe for one second they can either translate what the farmers are saying or have some sort of psychic abilities.
Andrew Flexing wrote: » I never said that they knew they were going to an abbatoir, just that cortisol levels are significantly raised in the process of transportation.
ScumLord wrote: » But that doesn't mean anything on it's own, I get stressed using public transport too. Are they more stressed than they would be just trying to be the first one to the feeding trough? Stress is all part of life, saying they're slightly stressed during a slightly stressing event doesn't mean much as with these type of animals once the stressing event is over they go back to normal fairly quickly. They won't stay stressed.
Andrew Flexing wrote: » This is getting off the point ofthe OP but you are wrong again. Extreme stress sometimes experienced by livestock on transport truck can cause a reduced quality in meat (that's how stresses they can get!) and some animals die in the trucks too. That's a bit more stressful than your public transport...!
bijapos wrote: » Go into any abbatoir in this country and look the cattle, pigs or sheep in the eye when they come off a truck. They know whats going on, its no different to what the Faroe islanders are doing. They do it in the open, we do it behind a wall. No difference I'm afraid. For that matter look at how pigs or chickens are raised here, also inhumane imo. And how does that fish in the can of mackerel die? Yep they suffocate. Not fair either. (and no I'm not vegetarian either)
BraziliaNZ wrote: » As far as humanity's crimes towards the planet and wildlife go, this is pretty tame, really tame in fact, compared to something like the BP spill, overfishing, destruction of natural habitats to facilitate consumerism etc. We're f*cked, because the world has limited resources and consumerism demands constant - well - consumption of resources! Simple as that, a few whales dying should be the least of our worries.
ScumLord wrote: » I'd rate the abuse of the domestic dogs gene pool as another really high crime against nature. We're breeding deformities into them that makes them unable to look after themselves just because we like the look of deformed miniature dogs. It's horrible what we're doing to our best friend.
BraziliaNZ wrote: » Well dogs haven't really been part of nature for centuries really! Far too domesticated at this stage.
ScumLord wrote: » They are part of nature as are we, they've just found a better way of surviving than running around a fields trying to take down an animal 4 times their size like those dumbass wolves. Much better to have the top predator on the planet wait on you hand and foot.
Misty Choas wrote: » As much as I care for the rights of animals, human rights are placed higher in my list priorities than that of animals. Sort that out first, THEN we'll talk about animal rights. In some cases, animals have more rights than some people and that is not right. .
liah wrote: » I'd like to know the reasons for the slaughter prior to condemning it. In the north of Canada, seal hunting is very controversial, as you can imagine. Protests arise every single time this tradition takes place, driven by people who do not understand the tradition or the reasons for the tradition to exist. The seal slaughter is a very necessary evil in order for the ecosystem to remain balanced. They run rampant and overpopulate and destroy their environment if allowed to develop without being culled. It's also got its roots in ancient Inuit and Native American traditions, where they were the main (surprisingly nutritious) food supply and in some villages still are. Hunting in general in Canada is much the same. Populations need to be culled and kept in check for the long-term survival of not only the species being hunted, but the other species in the environment it lives in. Protests take place constantly against it by people who don't understand the delicate balance that needs to be kept to ensure the world keeps turning. Now, I know very little of the Faroe Island whale thing, but I'd imagine its quite similar to the seal hunt. On the surface it's quite a barbaric practice, but perhaps it would be better to educate oneself on the reasons behind it before automatically assuming it is unnecessary and horrible.
ScumLord wrote: » So the cows know somehow that they're going to a slaughter house? Somewhere they've never been before.They're transported a few times in their lives, why would they jump to such a conclusion? I'd believe their stress levels go up every time they are transported but I don't believe for one second they can either translate what the farmers are saying or have some sort of psychic abilities.
ScumLord wrote: » Our dog hated going to the vet to, even though every time she went she came out better than when they went in. Our vet was fairly heavy handed, more used to cattle. If animals have a bad experience they'll remember it but they can't construct a possible outcome in their mind they don't process that mental capacity. They only know what they've already experienced.
I can see this happen out my window at work, I can see the cattle being transported on a daily basis through town, in most cases it's just one or two bovine (more than likely bulls I suppose) and they look relaxed, although being a bull I suppose he has some idea what he'll be doing on arrival.
ScumLord wrote: » I think your talking about high intensity farms though which isn't common at all in Ireland. Irish cattle have a fairly good life if cows where really that stressed by the actions of the farmers that look after them they wouldn't run to them (and only them) when they come into the field.
I've seen battery hens rammed into a van too there's a chicken farm in town as well, those animals look horrible and tormented that's why I do my damnedest to avoid eating cheap chicken. Farmers in Ireland do care about there animals I've seen them almost come to tears when telling me that one of their sheep was killed by foxes. I just don't think people that care that much about their animals are going to want to see them suffer.
AlcoholicA wrote: » **** tradition, these people are backwards.
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