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Gormley's Fluoride Hypocrisy: "Fluoridated Water Causes Cancer in Children!" But You'
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For the people wanting a map for their analysis.
Given you are too lazy to find it in such an obvious location, I doubt your analysis will be too thorough, if you do it at all, but here you go
Colour key given here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluoridated-water-extent-world.svg0 -
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For the people wanting a map for their analysis.
Given you are too lazy to find it in such an obvious location, I doubt your analysis will be too thorough, if you do it at all, but here you go
Colour key given here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fluoridated-water-extent-world.svg
I think we were taking about where in ireland is not fluoridated and where is. Cheers though, your maps clearly shows us glowing a very bright orange, which would suggest that somthing is out of order here when compared to the other european countries who are a healthy beige.0 -
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Please link to the original documents where possible, rather than linking to conspiracy monger websites like gaia-health.com, who like to take things out of context.That’s all well and good but I can produce reports/opinions/facts to the contrary. Here are a few….
EPA Scientists ( US Environmental Protection Agency ) oppose fluoridation.
The EPA scientists concluded….” For governmental and other organizations to continue to push for more exposure in the face of current levels of over-exposure coupled with an increasing crescendo of adverse toxicity findings is irrational and irresponsible at best.”-link
No, they don't. That website has its own special section called 'Big Pharma', to give us an idea of what angle they're coming from. They've also got many anti-vaccination articles too. Lovely.
Anywho, they have lots of quotes but they don't provide a link to the original article, so I can't really check the integrity of their quotes.
But here's a quote direct from an EPA press release. The EPA doesn't mandate that fluoride be added to water, it's a local issue:...
These actions will maximize the health benefits of water fluoridation, an important tool in the prevention of tooth decay while reducing the possibility of children receiving too much fluoride.
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They also refer to the Centers for Disease Control's opinion on water fluoridation:The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention named the fluoridation of drinking water one of the 10 great public health achievements of the 20th century.
But here's a page detailing the CDC's recommendations in full:For 65 years, community water fluoridation has been a safe and healthy way to effectively prevent tooth decay.That article touches on a study conducted in China showing that….” low levels of fluoride exposure in drinking water had negative effects on children's intelligence and dental health and confirmed the dose-response relationships between urine fluoride and IQ scores as well as dental fluorosis.”- link
The very article you refer to points out that this research is by a fringe scientist, who was fired shortly after presenting this nonsense! You gonna now come in with the conspiracy theories? Of course you are! She was fired because she went against the grain! Cos that's what happens in science!
I just had a search on PubMed and the only thing I can find with her name attached is "Fluoride poisoning: a puzzle with hidden pieces."
Has she published anything else even?
She seems to have just gone on to be a champion of the anti-fluoridation crowd.
Very thin evidence, sir.ADA (American Dental Association ) warn about the dangers of giving babies fluoridated water – link
Another great source. They quote the Fluoride Action Network as a nice unbiased source for comment on this!
Why don't we find out what the American Dental Association actually says about fluoridation?More than 65 years ago - on January 25,1945 - Grand Rapids, Michigan became the world's first city to adjust the level of fluoride in its water supply. Since that time, fluoridation has dramatically improved the oral health of tens of millions of Americans. Community water fluoridation is the single most effective public health measure to prevent tooth decay.24 studies have reported an association between fluoride exposure and reduced IQ. The fluoride levels in water in these studies range from 0.88 - 9.4 ppm. link
The recommended flouride level in Ireland is around 0.7 ppm, so why you'd be linking to studies about 9.4 ppm is beyond me.Time Magazine – Top 10 common household toxins – Fluoride
“Neurotoxic and potentially tumorigenic if swallowed; the American Dental Association advises that children under 2 not use fluoride toothpaste” - link
Yes, the ADA says that you shouldn't swallow TOOTHPASTE, because it has loads of fluoride in it, way more than is present in the water supply.
Seriously, do you not feel a bit dirty quoting everybody out of context? You've quoted the EPA, ADA, and other bodies, and completely reversed their position on fluoridation. This is either because you're relying on disgusting bastions of misinformation for your news, so you're just misled, or you're consciously looking through the relevant pages, and maliciously deciding to misrepresent them.
It makes me fvcking sick. Depicable.0 -
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Heres an item from Austrailian news last year. It can be considered a direct parallel to the situation going on here. In fact, its almost completely identical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZBRBPgTOt0&feature=related
Arsenic, Barium, Beryllium, Cadmium, Lead, Copper, Mercury are some of the substances added over there.
I was reading another fluoride thread over on the dental forums, some guy said he had a buddy who worked in a water treatment plant and that they are adding all sorts for everything. The thread was then shut down, surprise surprise.
On my search to find out more about whats in our water other than hydrofluoric acid, I came across an old site that had analysis of a document obtained under the freedom of information act 1997.
http://homepage.eircom.net/~fluoridefree/campaign_update/albatros.htm
Some of the facts back then would be different now since a decent amount of time has passed, but its still very relevent since there has been no systematic changes or reform since.
The facts are;
The fluoride added to our water is waste fertilizer from holland. Nowadays it may come from Spain. The importers of this are Albatros Fertilizers Ltd., New Ross, County Wexford. It is contaminated with lead, arsenic and antimony (feeling sick yet?). You can check the link for a more detailed breakdown of the chemicals.
This is from a FFA document in 1997, does this mean this was going on in 1997 or does it mean it just got released then? Either way, how can such information be accessed about what goes in our tap water right now in 2011? If anyone can find any juicy links or reports that have evaded me please feel free to share.
Also, the National Health Federation of Ireland, a non profit organization, is making a move on the issue. They have the support of some TDs and organisations. They had a letter published in the examiner which I pasted on page 4 and they have done a few talks on the matter.
http://www.thenhfireland.com
One of their speakers Walter Graham has a very informative presentation posted on the site.
People should contact their newly elected TD via letter or email and ask that 1) The issue is raised in the dail and 2) That they give their support to the NHF Ireland's initiative to remove toxic waste material from irish public water supplies so that the industry can dispose of their own waste properly instead of using irish people as toxic trash canisters for their own economic ends.0 -
Not much answer to that really!Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »Heres an item from Austrailian news last year. It can be considered a direct parallel to the situation going on here. In fact, its almost completely identical.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZBRBPgTOt0&feature=related
Arsenic, Barium, Beryllium, Cadmium, Lead, Copper, Mercury are some of the substances added over there.
I was reading another fluoride thread over on the dental forums, some guy said he had a buddy who worked in a water treatment plant and that they are adding all sorts for everything. The thread was then shut down, surprise surprise.
On my search to find out more about whats in our water other than hydrofluoric acid, I came across an old site that had analysis of a document obtained under the freedom of information act 1997.
http://homepage.eircom.net/~fluoridefree/campaign_update/albatros.htm
Some of the facts back then would be different now since a decent amount of time has passed, but its still very relevent since there has been no systematic changes or reform since.
The facts are;
The fluoride added to our water is waste fertilizer from holland. Nowadays it may come from Spain. The importers of this are Albatros Fertilizers Ltd., New Ross, County Wexford. It is contaminated with lead, arsenic and antimony (feeling sick yet?). You can check the link for a more detailed breakdown of the chemicals.
This is from a FFA document in 1997, does this mean this was going on in 1997 or does it mean it just got released then? Either way, how can such information be accessed about what goes in our tap water right now in 2011? If anyone can find any juicy links or reports that have evaded me please feel free to share.
Also, the National Health Federation of Ireland, a non profit organization, is making a move on the issue. They have the support of some TDs and organisations. They had a letter published in the examiner which I pasted on page 4 and they have done a few talks on the matter.
http://www.thenhfireland.com
One of their speakers Walter Graham has a very informative presentation posted on the site.
People should contact their newly elected TD via letter or email and ask that 1) The issue is raised in the dail and 2) That they give their support to the NHF Ireland's initiative to remove toxic waste material from irish public water supplies so that the industry can dispose of their own waste properly instead of using irish people as toxic trash canisters for their own economic ends.
This thread shouldn't be in CT imo. The conversation is about whether Ireland's drinking water should continue being fluoridated. Not that much has been said suggesting CT really.0 -
Hi, since you have put so much time and energy in to this subject then wouldn't it be a great idea for you to document all of this evidence in writing, links etc and video footage and send it in to the Department of Health marked urgent either by courier or registered post and let us know what reply if any that you receive? Send it to the Minister James Reilly. It can't do any harm anyway. The smell of chlorine and other chemicals in the water here and in Meath is pretty noticeable. Chlorine ions I heard also damage our DNA every time we bathe or shower in them. Tap water even when boiled or filtered with a cheap jug filter tastes foul. People should always be vigilant and keep an open mind. Ozonation of the water at both ends of the process is recommended instead. Fluoridated water is in sodas and beers also.Lefticus Loonaticus wrote: »A bbc article from 2002, a long time ago really. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2161300.stm
What i wouldnt give to have a minister for health from another country........
Can anyone believe the level of the debate in Ireland in this year 2011 when the belgians were doing this in 2002?
Must be somthing to do with a more inteligent people copping on to the fact that the toxic waste disposal industry is paying governments to dispose of its waste into the bodies of its citizens for economic reasons.
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