Gormley's Fluoride Hypocrisy: "Fluoridated Water Causes Cancer in Children!" But You'

SovereignNelly

In the video below, John Gormley, 3 years prior to becoming the Minister of the Environment clearly stated on RTE’s ‘Primetime’ program that fluoridated water was dangerous for babies and indeed elaborated on this by informing the public, quite rightly, that it caused bone cancer in children. He now expects us to pay, through the use of water meters, for the very same fluoridated toxic water which he openly admits is detrimental to human health.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cebpJJeiL_E

Despite the clear evidence that this is indeed the case and the statement by Gormley back in 2003 that there was no need for fluoride in the public water supply, it is still there poisoning our children and adults alike. Fluoride is better known as a rat and insect poison and is still used as such to this day.

Why then are we still having to drink toxic water?
Let’s go back in time to 1855 to Freiberg, Germany where fluoride was first successfully prosecuted. At that time people living close to a steel smelting plant were paid compensation due to damage to their health as a direct result of fluoride contamination of their neighbourhood. Similar cases were then brought in 1893 which again led to successful prosecutions against the steel makers where again damages were paid. In 1900 financial penalties resulting from successful prosecutions threatened to bring a halt to the steel plants in Germany and Britain such was the overwhelming evidence of fluoride damage to human health and even livestock when in 1907 crippled cattle were shown to have been poisoned by fluoride contamination of their water supply.
Freiberg has a very close connection to John Gormley and may indeed explain his whole so called ‘green’ ideology which is nothing short of Marxist Socialism. Freiberg University is where John Gormley studied in his youth. The university is infamous for producing and indeed being run by individuals sympathetic to Nazism and Communism. Martin Heidegger, a prominent Nazi sympathiser and supporter, was a teacher and eventually rector of Freiberg University even after the end of World War II.
So why on earth would someone in The Green Party have studied there? I’ll leave you to ponder that one bearing in mind the type of ‘socialist’ ideology which Gormley and his cabal seem to follow.
Below is a link to the Chronology of Fluoride from 1855 to 1997
http://www.sendspace.com/file/5v7f8e
As you will see from the above document there have been many examples of fluoride contamination for over a century yet John Gormley remains unrepentant and seemingly unaware of these cases (I beg to differ, I think he’s lying) when challenged as to why this highly dangerous toxic chemical is in the public water supply and of course 99% of toothpastes available on supermarket shelves today.
Speaking of toothpaste, if you care to look at the health warnings written on the packaging, you will see that it clearly states that if your child swallows toothpaste then you should seek medical help. That should concern all parents especially when toothpaste manufacturers go out of their way to flavour their product making it more likely that children will swallow it. Also mentioned is the fact that if you get fluoride from any other source you should also consult a doctor.
If this is the case then everyone who brushes their teeth with fluoridated toothpaste using fluoridated water should, by the manufacturers own advice, consult their doctor.
Fluoridated water has been used before as mass medication
As published in the April-May Issue of The Sovereign Independent, fluoride was used in the public water supply in the Nazi concentration camps and Stalin’s Gulags to keep the prisoners drugged into perfect docility so that they could be ‘managed’ easier. Have you never wondered why they lined up so compliantly in those old newsreel pictures to be shot and bundled into pits?
Notwithstanding this effect of fluoridation, another worrying symptom is a 10-30 point drop in IQ levels, particularly in children exposed to fluoride.
You must ask yourselves the question that if this is known as absolute fact, which it is, then why is it in the drinking water of our nation. I can only come to the logical conclusion that it is to have the same effects as set out above.
I don’t think there’s any need to go down the road of suggesting that Hitler and Stalin were concerned about the dental health of their victims. As far as I’m aware, Nazi dental care consisted of a pair of pliers being used to remove gold filings so let’s just forget the myth that fluoride helps teeth. IT DOES NOT.
What level of consumption of fluoride constitutes an overdose?
According to health statistics the average female should be drinking approximately 2.5 litres of water per day and the average male 3.5 litres per day. So at what level are we overdosing if we consume our daily recommended doses of toxic water?
I’ve never heard any reference to what level of fluoride we should be ingesting which is a safe limit and if anything other than toothpaste requires medical attention then I would suggest it must be very low so think again when you’re drinking 3 litres of water a day, nevermind teas and coffees or the fact that fluoride is absorbed by the skin when you shower or bathe.
Let’s be clear here. Fluoride is a toxic chemical which is the by-product of the aluminium industry which, if they had to dispose of it themselves they would have great difficulty in doing so due to the high level of toxicity; yet we, the taxpayers, buy it from them and allow politicians to put it into our water supply.
What a great deal for the aluminium industry!
Gormless Gormley: We Will Tax You for Toxic Water Unfit for Human Consumption
Is this guy for real? He openly admits, and I quote:
“We don’t have to ingest fluoride, it works topically.”
“We also know that we should NOT give fluoridated tap water to children” (WHY NOT?)
“Fluoridated tap water should NOT be given to babies” (WHY NOT?)
“Fluoridation is a manifestation of toxicity”
“When we have too much fluoride in our bodies this can lead to bone cancer in children”
What is fluoride doing in our drinking water if what John Gormley says and believes to be true?
He is directly responsible today for the fact that fluoride is still in our drinking water and being given to babies, either directly through consumption or indirectly being absorbed through the skin.
Isn’t it time John Gormley stepped down amid the growing lies and considering his utter hypocrisy around the fact that he is knowingly poisoning us and our children with, as he admits himself, a toxic chemical?
Isn’t it indeed time he was prosecuted for his role in poisoning the public water supply by his own admission?
Not only is he poisoning the public water supply but he now expects the public to pay to be poisoned.
I have to say, if that is acceptable to the public at large then I’ll repeat a point from earlier in this article.
Fluoride is responsible for lowering IQ levels between 10-30 points.
Again, if you’re happy to pay for toxic drinking water, then possibly the above mentioned drop in IQ levels has indeed taken hold and your mental faculties have been seriously undermined.

Banned Account

Disinfo.com much?

Anything to add in terms of your own view?

SovereignNelly

My own view is that this is criminal and that Gormley should be prosecuted for deliberately being complicit in poisoning the public water supply

bleg

This argument again, seems to raise it ugly, misinformed stupid head every 18 months.

Water fluoridation is good.

skelliser

Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!...You know when fluoridation began?...1946. 1946, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love...Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I-I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence.

bleg

Health Sciences forum tbh.

SovereignNelly

I knew it wouldn't take long for the government NWO trolls to surface on this one. Fluoride is one of their main weapons to control populations. Dream on shills and I hope you realise that when your political masters no longer need you then it's bye bye to you too.

dynamick

This was a joke 45 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

I'm glad that John Gormley and the Green party saw sense & changed their policy on water fluoridation.

SovereignNelly

When did the Communist Gormley change his 'policy'?

dynamick

When the programmes for govt 2007 & 2009 were agreed to without any reference to water fluoridation other than a commitment to measure fluoride intake levels amongst the population.

On a related note, why not start fluoridating salt?
http://www.who.int/oral_health/publications/orh_IDJ_salt_fluoration.pdf

edit
commies - lol!

SovereignNelly

They are communists, it's where the whole 'green' movement started and also a certain Mr. Hitler was an 'environmentalist' apparently.

Michael Gorbachov is a commited and devout Communist to this day and heads up the international 'green' movement'.

This is my last comment on this as you are clearly a 'greenie' fool or a government lackey. Either way, God help you in the future because as always happens in a Communistic society, the helpers always get slaughtered first!

bleg

SovereignNelly wrote: »

They are communists, it's where the whole 'green' movement started and also a certain Mr. Hitler was an 'environmentalist' apparently.

Michael Gorbachov is a commited and devout Communist to this day and heads up the international 'green' movement'.

This is my last comment on this as you are clearly a 'greenie' fool or a government lackey. Either way, God help you in the future because as always happens in a Communistic society, the helpers always get slaughtered first!

Ah yes, it' so clear to me now. The environmentalists, communists and Hitler were/are all bedfellows with each other. Their aim: to control/poison the population by putting ions in our water.

Simples.

dunsandin

Seems to be a lot of huffing and puffing on this topic, but to state baldly that flouride in water is good for you is not entirely a well supported theory, if that were the case, off you go and have a nice big slurp of raw flouride, It will do you the power. It might have offered some dubious benefit when peoples teeth were falling out of their heads, but I get quite enough from my colgate ta very much. Flouride is a toxic industrial waste, so its probably just as well that they get to dump it into the water supply, must save a fortune in disposal costs. Eh? Sorry?? Whats that you say, its wonderful and the govt actually pays money for it? Stroke!!!! Someone somewhere is one slick(if a bit ruthless)salesman. The guys who flog arsenic must be green sick with envy.

Ferball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHNCCYB30-c

djpbarry

dunsandin wrote: »

Flouride is a toxic industrial waste...

"Fluoride" refers to a vast array of compounds (essentially, anything containing fluorine), some potent toxins, some not.

Cookie_Monster

bleg wrote: »

This argument again, seems to raise it ugly, misinformed stupid head every 18 months.

Water fluoridation is good.

+1

I certainly have no issue with it having read both sides of the arguement

Sleepy

Is this Jim Corr again?

Nehaxak

I do have a problem with it all, more so the fact that I have no choice in the matter unless I go out and buy bottled water.

If I will now in the future have to pay for the same tap water, I do intend to make a legal challenge of some sort to have the choice of not getting tap water pumped into my house with flouride in it.

I have to filter tap water in my house here anyway due to it being so hard and even after that you still get a film of scum on the top of your cup of tea - I'm not paying good money for that shíte !
They will really need to improve water quality and either remove or give me a choice of not having flouride in it if they expect me to pay for it in the future.

In fact and in all honesty, tap water is rarely used for drinking in my house anyway and when it is, it's only in cooking or tea/coffee and filtered + boiled beforehand.

Wasn't it always the conspiracy theory that flouride coupled with orange street lights made the population at large more docile and apathetic...
So much the effect that they became so docile and apathetic they stopped even bothering to vote.

Cookie_Monster

You will only pay if you use it. If you have an issue with it just buy bottled water or dig a well or collect rainwater and stop moaning, no one is forcing you to use tap water.

If the population as a whole had an issue or even cared it would have been changed long ago but suffice to say it is not an issue to the vast majority of people.

Head The Wall

Nehaxak wrote: »

I do have a problem with it all, more so the fact that I have no choice in the matter unless I go out and buy bottled water.

If I will now in the future have to pay for the same tap water, I do intend to make a legal challenge of some sort to have the choice of not getting tap water pumped into my house with flouride in it.

I have to filter tap water in my house here anyway due to it being so hard and even after that you still get a film of scum on the top of your cup of tea - I'm not paying good money for that shíte !
They will really need to improve water quality and either remove or give me a choice of not having flouride in it if they expect me to pay for it in the future.

In fact and in all honesty, tap water is rarely used for drinking in my house anyway and when it is, it's only in cooking or tea/coffee and filtered + boiled beforehand.

Wasn't it always the conspiracy theory that flouride coupled with orange street lights made the population at large more docile and apathetic...
So much the effect that they became so docile and apathetic they stopped even bothering to vote.

Do you have a choice about the means by which the electricity you use is generated. I don't think so, the same would apply here

Cookie_Monster

Head The Wall wrote: »

Do you have a choice about the means by which the electricity you use is generated. I don't think so, the same would apply here

of course you do, you can generate your own

Head The Wall

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

of course you do, you can generate your own

Being off the grid in this country is not really an option, mega investment needed to be completly self sufficient in fairness.

I'm talking about someone living in a house here not living on the land in a caravan

bigjohnny80

Most other countries have stopped doing it for good reason too.

Scofflaw

CT, maybe AH, not Politics.

moderately,
Scofflaw

mysterious

Gormly is "one of them", good ol politician ya know, follow da monay.

if you read this Gormly:p

He got his money from lisbon to vote yes, when we was opposing Europe for a lot of things in the beginning. He is one of the biggest hypocrites ever to set foot on our irish soil.:D Honest to god. I just dont even give that much time to this stuff, cus if I do I'm starting to sound like I really care....

But on topic, incase anyone didnt notice this fact. Hitler used flouride to dumb people down. Flouride occurs naturally in tea, why do you think they condition you to drinking it;)

They add it in most cereals too, why do you think they condition you to think it's healthy.

They add it toothpaste too, Why do you think you brush your teeth with morning and night.

It's lethal and is one of the many reasons cancers rates are up. It may not kill you quickly but it keeps you in zombie state for most of your life. It builds up in the pineal gland. That very special gland. I will say no more. You either get up to scratch and learn what's going on around you and what the hell your putting into your body or your a gonner too.

mysterious

Scofflaw wrote: »

CT, maybe AH, not Politics.

moderately,
Scofflaw

AH and politics both a joke to reality. C.T forum is about as real as you can get here on this forum on most topics.;) Reeeeaaaaal stuff.

espinolman

Head The Wall wrote: »

Being off the grid in this country is not really an option, mega investment needed to be completly self sufficient in fairness.

I'm talking about someone living in a house here not living on the land in a caravan

You can generate your own , there is no shortage of technologies out there , for those that have eyes to see .

danger man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkP1D6g3pAI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfFcnhpaB9Q

sodium fluoride is poison 100%.

we need to bring our muppet government to court for feeding us this poison.

why is this in conspiracy theories?
do the people who run this site live in the stoneage?

Lefticus Loonaticus

danger man wrote: »

why is this in conspiracy theories?

Because Ireland is not a free and fair society where serious issues can be discussed in a democratic manner.

The State does not want a debate on fluoride nor does it want it brought to peoples attention thats its rat posion or that its detrimental to peoples health. The smoking gun is obivously that apart from Ireland, only small parts of britain and spain still put it in the water.

They are prob not putting it in due to health effects or social manipulation. It is more likely it is being put in because the toxic waste industry pays off the government anually to dispose of the fluoride, which would otherwise cost a bomb to get rid of. The government then drops it into the water and shields themselves with the dentists federation, who are nicely paid off aswell.

Kadongy

SovereignNelly wrote: »

Fluoride is responsible for lowering IQ levels between 10-30 points.
Again, if you’re happy to pay for toxic drinking water, then possibly the above mentioned drop in IQ levels has indeed taken hold and your mental faculties have been seriously undermined.

There are numerous studies supporting this fact, however you are a little selective with your information: The fluoride levels in the less intelligent populations are typically several times those in Irish water.

I agree with you in general, and am against fluoridated water myself. You need to be careful with what you present as facts, especially extreme claims like this though, or you just seem hysterical and this winds up in the CT forum . Telling people they are stupid if they dont agree with you is unlikely to change many people's minds also tbh. There is plenty of hard evidence that fluoridation is something that should be discontinued asap.

bc dub

I wouldnt say it makes people stupid, but dosile. I once heard the flouride in our water makes us dosile as a nation. Anyone ever heard that one?

Kadongy

bc dub wrote: »

I wouldnt say it makes people stupid, but dosile. I once heard the flouride in our water makes us dosile as a nation. Anyone ever heard that one?

I read it in post 18 of this thread.

bc dub

cheers, can you elaborate on it becuase if you haven't guessed, that's what I'm really looking for...

but orange street lights? that's a new one!

Kadongy

oic I misunderstood how you meant that

bc dub

been doing some netsearching. i think Orange is the best colour but I'm open to any conspiracies going

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_efficacy

Kadongy

Kadongy wrote: »

There are numerous studies supporting this fact, however you are a little selective with your information: The fluoride levels in the less intelligent populations are typically several times those in Irish water.

Could you post links to some of these studies?

Kadongy

King Mob wrote: »

Could you post links to some of these studies?

http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=fluoride+iq&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=&as_vis=0

There are loads..

Mahatma coat

the Lights thing might have legs, its a rather interestin thought, Streetlights are made of Sodium Flouride in a lot of places, and then thers the glow itself, does it pacify??? is it all part of a sneeakey Lizzzzzzzzard plot :eek::D:D:D

bc dub

LIZARDS? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Annunaki's gonna be pished!

MASTER...of the bra

Is it all the flouride (keeping us docile) that stopped us taking to the streets when the Fianna Failures were destroying the country?

Di0genes

MASTER...of the bra wrote: »

Is it all the flouride (keeping us docile) that stopped us taking to the streets when the Fianna Failures were destroying the country?

And yet there is Fluoride in the Greek water supply.

Mahatma coat

Really??

The PHC's list counts Greece and Romania as part of the 39. Neither of these countries, however, practice fluoridation (Martin 1991). The PHC list also counts the Phillipines as one of the 39, despite the fact that the only areas in the Phillipines with fluoridated water are US military bases which comprise just 0.014% of the population (Martin 1991).

MASTER...of the bra

Di0genes wrote: »

And yet there is Fluoride in the Greek water supply.

Are you surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre?

I hate when people post stuff guessing.

Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Link 4
Link 5
Link 6 Is six enough?
Link 7 Little Map

Over 70% drink fluoride with their water in Ireland. Highest in Europe and not far behind being No 1.

Another link...an oldie.

Use control+F to find.

Lefticus Loonaticus

Just been reading through www.nofluoride.com , this passage caught my attention.

"People dosed with fluorosilicic acid live almost entirely in North American and Australian cities and Ireland -- approx 2% of the world's population. In the US these are not 'national programmes' -- they are municipal ones with very patchy take-up usually driven by the fluoride-industry with local dental support and minimal local debate. Over 60 US cities have discontinued fluoridation since 1990, many after more than 30 years. It is significant that US producers of fluorosilicic acid are still the most ardent supporters of a policy which saves their industry almost $600M a year(6) through the avoidance of toxic waste disposal charges."

What can one say? Absolutely sickening and scandalous. We need a huge anti-fluoride movement that will force the current government to give it up. We also need an inquiry to see who is getting what money and from where.

Is it not so painstakingly obvious that some scumbag corperation is making a profit off putting toxic waste into our drinking water and the gov is going along with it.

Also found this little gem on http://www.thenhf.com/article.php?id=1271 . An article and letter response to the sunday times in 2009. It basically shows that we are the most fluoridated country in the world and as a result we have an epidemic of osteoporosis.

Di0genes

MASTER...of the bra wrote: »

Are you surrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrre?

I hate when people post stuff guessing.

Link 1
Link 2
Link 3
Link 4
Link 5
Link 6 Is six enough?
Link 7 Little Map

Over 70% drink fluoride with their water in Ireland. Highest in Europe and not far behind being No 1.

Another link...an oldie.

Use control+F to find.

Today there are about 300 million people all over the world benefiting from water fluoridation. A further 300 million people drink water which naturally has the correct amount of fluoride. Fluoride toothpaste is used by about 450 million people, and about 60 million use fluoridated salt. So over billion people around the world, now benefit from fluorides. Countries with programmes for topping up the natural fluoride in the water where it is too low include the United States, Canada, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand, Spain, Greece, Switzerland, Finland, Ireland, the former USSR and the United Kingdom to name a few

http://www.doh.gov.za/department/fluoridation.html

It wasn't a guess.

Dave!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19772843

Abstract

AIM: This was to present a summary of the evidence from systematic reviews of the effectiveness and safety of water fluoridation.

METHODS: A search for relevant systematic reviews was conducted using the terms Fluoridation [Mesh] OR "water fluoridation" OR fluoridation OR (water AND fluoride) and was run from 01/01/2000 to 17/10/2008 in Pubmed, Embase, the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews and the Database of Abstracts of Reviews of Effects in the Cochrane Library. The quality of the systematic reviews was assessed using Scottish Intercollegiate Guideline Network (SIGN) methodology checklists for systematic reviews. Websites of guideline organisations were also searched for relevant evidence-based guidelines, which were appraised using the AGREE instrument.

RESULTS: Of the 59 publications identified, 3 systematic reviews and 3 guidelines were included in this review. While the reviews themselves were of good methodological quality, the studies included in the reviews were generally of moderate to low quality. The results of the three reviews showed that water fluoridation is effective at reducing caries in children and adults. With the exception of dental fluorosis, no association between adverse effects and water fluoridation has been established. Water fluoridation reduces caries for all social classes, and there is some evidence that it may reduce the oral health gap between social classes.

CONCLUSION: Water fluoridation, where technically feasible and culturally acceptable, remains a relevant and valid choice as a population measure for the prevention of dental caries.

This is the same paranoid crap that makes people oppose vaccination.

WakeUp

Dave! wrote: »

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19772843


This is the same paranoid crap that makes people oppose vaccination.

So the many medical people who have come out and spoken against putting this stuff in our water, doest that make them "paranoid" too? Is everybody paranoid? Thats an extremely basic simplistic view point you have there if you dont mind me saying. Like anything there are two sides to every story. In the interest of fairness, and to show it isnt just "normal" people who are "paranoid" this is Dr. Paul Connet, Prof of Chemistry, St. Lawerence University. Have a listen to what he has to say about fluroide in our water system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo6SnvmMP9k

Dave!

Yeah and did you know that there are some PhD's and MD's who think that vaccination is evil? And who believe that homeopathy makes sense? And there are biologists who don't support the theory of evolution? etc

There are fringe groups to support every crazy ideology. When it comes down to it, most mainstream scientists who have reservations about fluoridation have them because they think that populations should have the choice, rather than have the decision made for them. That's reasonable. But there are no public health concerns, because fluoridation has been shown to be safe, and effective, many many times.

WakeUp

Dave! wrote: »

Yeah and did you know that there are some PhD's and MD's who think that vaccination is evil? And who believe that homeopathy makes sense? And there are biologists who don't support the theory of evolution? etc

Irrelevant, the topic is fuloride in our water system, not vaccination or homeopathy.

There are fringe groups to support every crazy ideology. When it comes down to it, most mainstream scientists who have reservations about fluoridation have them because they think that populations should have the choice, rather than have the decision made for them. That's reasonable. But there are no public health concerns, because fluoridation has been shown to be safe, and effective, many many times.

How do you know there are no public health concerns? Are you qualified to make such a statement so matter of fact? He doesnt seem crazy to me at all he does however come across as concerned, knowledgeable, articulate and genuine. I take it you didnt watch the video and listen to what he has to say yet you are prepared to make statements like the one you made. There are many medical people with reservations about fluroide in our water system it isnt just normal people. So terms like "paranoid" & "crazy" are basic and simplistic in my opinion and if there is something more to what mainstream/authorities are letting on then statements like that dont help. Two sides to every story.

Kadongy

Dave! wrote: »

Yeah and did you know that there are some PhD's and MD's who think that vaccination is evil? And who believe that homeopathy makes sense? And there are biologists who don't support the theory of evolution? etc

There are fringe groups to support every crazy ideology. When it comes down to it, most mainstream scientists who have reservations about fluoridation have them because they think that populations should have the choice, rather than have the decision made for them. That's reasonable. But there are no public health concerns, because fluoridation has been shown to be safe, and effective, many many times.

It's not fringe groups nor a crazy ideology in this case.

Numerous countries which once used it have discontinued fluoridation of the water supply:

Federal Republic of Germany (1952–1971)
Sweden (1952–1971)
Netherlands (1953–1976) - in fact they banned it.
Czechoslovakia (1955–1990)
German Democratic Republic (1959–1990)
Soviet Union (1960–1990)
Finland (1959–1993)
Japan (1952–1972)

As well as the Netherlands, it is also illegal in Sweden.

If you think constantly ingesting fluoride is safe then that is fine; you should be be to do that. You should respect that others want to avoid consuming fluoride. Putting it in the water supply removes that choice [bar extreme and impractical measures].

Incidentally, there appears to be a connection between vaccination and cot death. It is not paranoid or unreasonable to question the use of vaccination either. - Though as the previous poster pointed out that is a non-sequitor anyway.

Dave!

WakeUp wrote: »

Irrelevant, the topic is fuloride in our water system, not vaccination or homeopathy.

How do you know there are no public health concerns? Are you qualified to make such a statement so matter of fact? He doesnt seem crazy to me at all he does however come across as concerned, knowledgeable, articulate and genuine. I take it you didnt watch the video and listen to what he has to say yet you are prepared to make statements like the one you made. There are many medical people with reservations about fluroide in our water system it isnt just normal people. So terms like "paranoid" & "crazy" are basic and simplistic in my opinion and if there is something more to what mainstream/authorities are letting on then statements like that dont help. Two sides to every story.

Yeah there's the side with the facts/evidence/research, and then the other side.

I'm not qualified to decide if there are public health concerns, but scientists and public health organisations are, so I defer to them, and they report that at the levels present in our drinking water, there is no health risk.

Here's a report by the Australian Health and Medical Research Council.

And here's a comprehensive report by the World Health Organisation.

Kadongy wrote: »

It's not fringe groups nor a crazy ideology in this case.

Numerous countries which once used it have discontinued fluoridation of the water supply:

Federal Republic of Germany (1952–1971)
Sweden (1952–1971)
Netherlands (1953–1976) - in fact they banned it.
Czechoslovakia (1955–1990)
German Democratic Republic (1959–1990)
Soviet Union (1960–1990)
Finland (1959–1993)
Japan (1952–1972)

As well as the Netherlands, it is also illegal in Sweden.

If you think constantly ingesting fluoride is safe then that is fine; you should be be to do that. You should respect that others want to avoid consuming fluoride. Putting it in the water supply removes that choice [bar extreme and impractical measures].

Incidentally, there appears to be a connection between vaccination and cot death. It is not paranoid or unreasonable to question the use of vaccination either. - Though as the previous poster pointed out that is a non-sequitor anyway.

As I said, those governments and scientists who do not endorse fluoridation do so on the basis that the public should have a choice whether to ingest it or not. It's an ethical decision; there are no public health concerns. I have no problem with those concerns, I just don't think they're important given the benefits and lack of problems associated with fluoridation.

There is no causal connection between vaccination and cot death. Claiming otherwise is irresponsible and disgusting. Vaccines save millions of lives every year, and reduced uptake because of scaremongering like this leads to dead children.