Cheating in the Leaving Cert

ChristianLC

We had two and while they did sit down for quite a bit, they did walk around the hall alot and would often take a seat in the middle of the everybody to inspect everything. Wouldn't have been easy to cheat with these two.

randylonghorn

jumpguy wrote: »

The integrity of the exam is compromised in several minor ways, for many years, probably since the LC exams began. It'd be naive to think this can be stopped completely, but a better job can be done.

Indeed ... and personally I think that a better job used to be done.

Which is not to say that all superintendents are lax by any means (Christian's example below for example) but certainly from what has been said on this thread, and from what I have heard IRL from students and even teachers, some seem to take it pretty easy.

When the reality is that with the variety of new technologies available in particular, they need to up their game and be far more vigilant than they needed to be in the past.

ChristianLC wrote: »

We had two and while they did sit down for quite a bit, they did walk around the hall alot and would often take a seat in the middle of the everybody to inspect everything. Wouldn't have been easy to cheat with these two.

I remember that the super we had for LC usually slipped off his shoes so as not to be making noise, and walked around in his stockings. He tended to wander quite a bit, too, and would stand at the back for a few minutes watching everything. Unless you literally watched him all the time, it was pretty impossible to know where he would appear next ... he unexpectedly sidled up behind me at one point, and had to then help me retrieve the assorted pens and stuff I sent flying with the jump I made! I suspect people wouldn't be as quick to try cheating with a few more of his ilk around!

chaoticmess

double GG wrote: »

One superintendent at the top of a room of 20 students is too much

We had over 40 people in the room with only one superintendant! :eek:

randylonghorn wrote: »

I remember that the super we had for LC usually slipped off his shoes so as not to be making noise, and walked around in his stockings. He tended to wander quite a bit, too, and would stand at the back for a few minutes watching everything. Unless you literally watched him all the time, it was pretty impossible to know where he would appear next ... he unexpectedly sidled up behind me at one point, and had to then help me retrieve the assorted pens and stuff I sent flying with the jump I made! I suspect people wouldn't be as quick to try cheating with a few more of his ilk around!

Haha, the sneakiness you just described reminded me of a teacher my dad told me about. Everyone would be working away, the only sound the clock ticking, and this teacher would pace around the room slowly. As soon as he noticed a certain "concentration level" he would suddenly shout "Right Boys!!!" or something similar, making the whole class jump! haha, I don't think it'd be very often you'd find a teacher doing something like that for a laugh back in the 60s....

crazeecat

Samskeyti wrote: »

There's cheating happening in my school, the majority of students use the fact that the toilets are in our P.E hall and that the superintendents have no reason to follow them in. The students hide notes written from before the exam in their socks and pants and some even got away with having a phone on their lap for an entire paper and reading saved messages from it. Others used the bathroom to call students from other schools and got full answers on questions.

Our principal is a complete waster as students were caught cheating in the L.C.V.P exam and nothing was done about it. I thought if you were caught cheating that you couldn't sit another state exam? Should I inform the superintendents of how stupid they're being or e-mail the State Examinations Commission? I know for definate that Irish will be the exam that most will cheat on because of learning notes off by heart will prove too much effort for them. Help??

RAT:mad:

stainluss

crazeecat wrote: »

RAT:mad:

Yeah, good luck trying to get a college place with this 'courageoussness':rolleyes:

dazza_480

i remember for my leaving cert i wanted to go to the toilet this hadn't been discussed previously so i didn't know what was going on and he didn't say a word i was so scared i thought i was going to be raped

irish_man

jumpguy wrote: »

I completely agree. Ted Kennedy may have cheated, but I doubt in a Harvard exam, he was forcing someone else who played the game honestly out of a spot, it'd be just to get onto a next year. Might be wrong though! :P

Back on topic: There is cheating in state exams, but it's quite minor stuff when it happens. It's also not very rampant, but it does happen (it'd be naive to think it doesn't tbh). It's not the kind of stuff that could bring someone from a D3 to a C1 though.

I may as well point out a few flaws in the system I've noticed from attending the exams this year:

First of all, the superintendents. Going off the toilet, and leaving the attendant at the door. Do they expect the attendant, often younger than the LC cohort he/she is watching, to maintain quietness? Not a hope. It's also highly unlikely the attendant will report anything. This is because the attendant often knows or vaguely knows everyone the year above him/her, especially in smaller schools.

The attendants cannot be expected to take over for the superintendent for anything beyond 30 seconds tbh. Superintendents should never leave the hall. If they cannot hold their wee for a few hours, then they aren't fit for the job. Students often have to hold it longer during classes.

In fairness, cheating this way is fairly unlikely, as the LCers are often focussed on their exam and the superintendent usually returns quite promptly.

Finally, just bad superintending. Not walking around regularly and just sitting there for the entire exam. People sneak mobile phones, even books into exams. If you're supervising any more than 5 or 6 people, then it's a wise choice to walk around the classroom at random and regular intervals, and watch the candidates closely. Be awake.

Similiar to how the English Paper 1 disaster last year woke up the SEC, I think this thread might do the same. The integrity of the exam is compromised in several minor ways, for many years, probably since the LC exams began. It'd be naive to think this can be stopped completely, but a better job can be done.

A person I know could hardly speak Irish and had a few essays in the pocket one came up. They copied it straight. Same thing for paper 2.
They got a C2 with very very little irish

Professional Griefer

Does anyone know if anything happened in the end? Assuming they finished their investigation and all?

randylonghorn

You can guarantee no detailed information will be made available.

At most, we might hear in Sept. that "x number of candidates had their results withheld".

Dafydd Thomas

A guy in my school was given a book during an exam when he went to the toilet by one of the attendants. The fact that these attendants are students and that they know many of the students sitting the exams is a recipe for cheating. They should be sent to schools that they do not attend. Its only common sense.

Shmeh

Fad wrote: »

irondragons wrote: »

And too, all the cheaters are probably just aiming to scrape a pass to get into some low-level college.

This.

Some incredible number of people in my year cheated, none of them got courses they wanted and ended up in ITs.......

BUT.

Please stop bítching at eachother, Boards is a discussion forum......

How disgusting,
1. I am currently in 6th year and I am not in the slightest bit affected by the fact i'm sitting the "most important exam of my life" around a months time,
Why?
Because it is not the "most important bla bla etc" it is in fact a load of tripe, why? Because its a chance for merely brainwashed students to memorise reams of information off without having any actual knowledge or exceptional intellect ability to be able to obtain 7/8/9 or however many ****ing A1s they desire to achieve their ****ty place in TCD
2. I find it awful that you look down upon "low level" colleges and people that "end up in IT's"
Did you ever think whether they cheated or not the idea of goin to a IT is much more prosperous to them than going to such a place as UCD just because of its name? No because your silly narrow minded and focused on one thing..
3. With regards to cheating, I have and would consider it, wouldn't blame anyone for doing it, and certainly wouldn't put my nose in if someone was doing it..
They're obviously not going to do as well as a student who has put constant work in, so let them be.. And hey karma will always sort them out.

Finally I'd like to say i'm not driven by the leaving cert I think it's a load of BS to be truthful however my four sisters are successful, one being a maths teacher, the other being a engineering analyst earning quiet a high salary who got a job with a degree from an IT and the other two have art and design degrees from limerick one specialising in design and the other in ceramics, so just because of my opinion on the leaving cert and on ITs don't presume I'm from a "low level" part of society or the likes.

Rant over.

Stalin and rugby

^ You mad Bro?

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Shmeh

No I'm not mad.. It's horrific the fact someone thinks they can say oh sure the cheaters the one who's probably lookin to get in t a low level IT .. Get your head, your 6A leaving cert and your eventual trinity degree out of your arse and enter the real world .. Your leavin cert soon becomes a vague useless memory so stop the whole omg ppl are cheating omg I need 600 points omg its the most important test of my life.

finality

Shmeh wrote: »

How disgusting,
1. I am currently in 6th year and I am not in the slightest bit affected by the fact i'm sitting the "most important exam of my life" around a months time,
Why?
Because it is not the "most important bla bla etc" it is in fact a load of tripe, why? Because its a chance for merely brainwashed students to memorise reams of information off without having any actual knowledge or exceptional intellect ability to be able to obtain 7/8/9 or however many ****ing A1s they desire to achieve their ****ty place in TCD
2. I find it awful that you look down upon "low level" colleges and people that "end up in IT's"
Did you ever think whether they cheated or not the idea of goin to a IT is much more prosperous to them than going to such a place as UCD just because of its name? No because your silly narrow minded and focused on one thing..
3. With regards to cheating, I have and would consider it, wouldn't blame anyone for doing it, and certainly wouldn't put my nose in if someone was doing it..
They're obviously not going to do as well as a student who has put constant work in, so let them be.. And hey karma will always sort them out.

Finally I'd like to say i'm not driven by the leaving cert I think it's a load of BS to be truthful however my four sisters are successful, one being a maths teacher, the other being a engineering analyst earning quiet a high salary who got a job with a degree from an IT and the other two have art and design degrees from limerick one specialising in design and the other in ceramics, so just because of my opinion on the leaving cert and on ITs don't presume I'm from a "low level" part of society or the likes.

Rant over.

Thread necromancy. I think it's safe to say the poster you quoted isn't overly concerned that you disagree with a post they made two years ago.

Your sisters' achievements are also irrelevant, they may be successful, doesn't mean you will be, especially with an attitude like that.

Canard

Believe it or not being able to get 7 A1s does actually show some kind of ability for learning and you cant rote learn languages or maths, for the most part. Intelligence is a real thing. :rolleyes:

And I doubt the poster was looking down on ITs, more the fact that their points are lower and laughing at the fact that the cheaters couldnt even get into higher point colleges by cheating.

Shmeh

Finality,

I don't care whether or not the author of the post I quoted sees my disgust at what they said, I was just making a point towards the attidude of leaving cert students that take the exam ridiculously too seriously,

Since the attidude of those people is quiet tarring and they have a urge to stereotype I gave an insight into my siblings abilities to show my family is not lazy nor cheaters or do they "find the easy way out"

My attitude towards the leaving doesn't effect my ability to achieve what I want with flying colours,

For it is not whether you like the task you have to do, it's about how you get it done.

spurious

Let's not open this particular can of worms again thanks.
Thread closed.