Bikers, and why they die.

dunsandin

KamiKazi wrote: »

I disagree, he comes across as a pathetic angry little man, pissed at the fact that his missus made him give up biking.

LOL. I ditched it 4 years before I met her. Be nice, you are straying across the line of being a grape. I didnt call you any names, keyboard warrior, show a little respect. Face to face, you would.

KamiKazi

dunsandin wrote: »

LOL. I ditched it 4 years before I met her. Be nice, you are straying across the line of being a grape. I didnt call you any names, keyboard warrior, show a little respect. Face to face, you would.

You might want to read back over your posts before you make such a statement

FarmerGreen

All of them were less than 30.
Two were married with children,
The last one clipped a car coming back from the pub.
Arm and leg amputated instantly
He lived for eight hours after surgery.

Of my mates I think there was six or seven fatalities, and three or four graunched up.
So I stopped riding a bike.

dunsandin

KamiKazi wrote: »

You might want to read back over your posts before you make such a statement

Ok, What exactly did I call You Big guy?;) I dont know who you are, nor care less, but dont recall abusing you personally. Maybe you can fill me in? I asked some close to home questions, but dont seem to have called you a little man, or any of that crap. Your title seems to say it all. Find an aircraft carrier and leave me out of it.

MunsterCycling

Lets just face it, the OP is in no way what I would consider a real biker!
Why were you not wearing leathers when you slid off on ice FFS, having been on bikes of both the powered and non powered varity for over 22 years I can vouch for having seen my share of nut jobs on a motorbike but nothing and I mean nothing will compare to lack of skill and roadcraft exhibited by cage drivers and their sleepy dozy attiude to observation, safety and consideration on the road.

MC

KamiKazi

You didn't ask me any questions, you just make a lot of ridiculous unfounded generalisations. Anyway, I'm off to bed, I'll leave you to your bike hating ('til the morning at least).

dunsandin

KamiKazi wrote: »

Yea you're real mature :rolleyes:

Since when is "smeared" abuse? I've seen it, with friends, one brother hit another on the way home from pub, 1 on bike, 1 walking. How would you describe it? Struck? Impacted? Impaled?

dunsandin

MunsterCycling wrote: »

Lets just face it, the OP is in no way what I would consider a real biker!
Why were you not wearing leathers when you slid off on ice FFS, having been on bikes of both the powered and non powered varity for over 22 years I can vouch for having seen my share of nut jobs on a motorbike but nothing and I mean nothing will compare to lack of skill and roadcraft exhibited by cage drivers and their sleepy dozy attiude to observation, safety and consideration on the road.

MC

Because I was piss poor and could not afford a car, or leathers, and a bike was my only way of getting around. I did more miles than most, 6 days a week, from necessity, not choice. It was a bike or the dole. Be nice.:mad:

dunsandin

KamiKazi wrote: »

You didn't ask me any questions, you just make a lot of ridiculous unfounded generalisations. Anyway, I'm off to bed, I'll leave you to your bike hating ('til the morning at least).

Kami, you know thats bollox, generalisations, read a few stats mate. I'm off to bed, gotta work tomorrow.

FarmerGreen

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I mean nothing will compare to lack of skill and roadcraft exhibited by cage drivers and their sleepy dozy attiude to observation, safety and consideration on the road.
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Apart from me going full throttle into an obviously dangerous situation
and going around it.

There is nothing so exciting as knowing that you are going to end up dead if you make a bollix of it.

I salute you dearest lads.
May I add a PS on your grave stones?
"It wasn't my fault"

It was though.

unkel

KamiKazi wrote: »

I disagree, he comes across as a pathetic angry little man, pissed at the fact that his missus made him give up biking.

Dude, from this post of yours alone, you come across as an angry man. I do dig that cagers give out about bikers and that gets to ya. But please try and look at it from an independent view point. The chance of dying as a biker in this country is substantial. Be it the bikers fault or the cagers fault. Fact is the chance of dying might be about 100 times higher than in other EU countries...

I'd love to ride a bike. But I won't in this country...

BTW I'm a very experienced bicycle rider (nearly 4 decades ) riding in all sorts of environments in all sorts of countries) and the only serious crash I've ever had was with an incompetent car passenger throwing her car door into my path

Pique

I have to say that Dunsandin comes across as neither bitter or small minded.
He's said that he's ridden for years but has an issue with d1ckhead bikers. Who doesn't ?

KamiKazi, if you want to attack the poster without taking into account the serious and valid points he's made (d1ckhead bikers not knowing the dangers or appreciating the potential outcome of ridiculous riding) then go ahead. You make each subsequent post you make less valid.

Bikes ARE dangerous!!!
Bikers are more likely to end up in A&E after an accident than CAR DRIVERS (the ridiculous and infantile term 'cagers' is specific to biker.ie and not worth propagating) and most know it. If they have a death wish, let them have it with a wall and not involve an innocent car driver and blame them.

I do, however realise that a lot of bike fatalities are blamed on car drivers, but then if you ride a bike, you also know this and ride defensively. Those mentioned by the OP didn't seem to have read that particular circular....

fabmorretti

Good driving includes anticipating what mistakes other road users might commit. There's no use getting hot and bothered when you approach someone at speed and they may act reckless and endanger you by not seeing you.

I hate to stereotype but it does seem that most bikers act in a reckless fashion; weaving through traffic at speed, rampant breaking of speed limits, using unnecessary acceleration at lights and generally doing their damnedest to get ahead of every other road user. I find it offensive that their is an attitude out there that wants me to go out of my way to accommodate these selfish road users.

-Chris-

I'm locking this thread, as it's not going to end up anywhere good. You could pretty much tell from the start (even the title) that it was going to go badly...

@dunsandin: Cheers for the OP, it's a good an important point, well made. It's obviously something you feel strongly about and I'm glad that this is a place you feel you can get this stuff off your chest.


But I have a few observations (@everyone):
a) this possibly should have been in the motorbikes forum (although it would have gone south even quicker)
b) a rant, and a brush with so much tar on it, is bordering on trolling imho. We all need to mind our use of language so as not to provoke a fight, please.
c) Can we drop this "cagers" & "organ donors" crap? the moment someone says cager, we all know exactly what's going to happen next...
d) if you see a post you object to, can you please push the Report button? We should have gotten quite a few reported posts from this thread in my reading of it, but people decided to wade in waist-deep instead.
e) the stuff below is inappropriate or unacceptable:

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Contact this forum, just ask them what a cage is.

I know you're a regular in the Motorbikes forum here, and I'm sure you know that mentioning biker.ie is against the Charter. What makes you think it's ok here?

KamiKazi wrote: »

Boo fvcking hoo.
...blinkered cagers like yourself (it's pretty amazing how much of a cager you are
...maybe we can arrange for you to get some bigger balls and you'll be able to enjoy two wheels again?

This is inflammatory language at the very least (if not personal abuse). Tone it down.

KamiKazi wrote: »

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LOL

What a pointless post...

KamiKazi wrote: »

I disagree, he comes across as a pathetic angry little man, pissed at the fact that his missus made him give up biking.

More inflammatory posting.

dunsandin wrote: »

Hah. Im a way sight bigger than you, believe it.
...Try it. Little man.LOL!! Meet me buddy, and make nice.,

This is threatening language, and completely unacceptable.

KamiKazi wrote: »

Grow up, open your mind, and stop being such a narrow minded, biggoted cager.

Direct personal insult.

dunsandin wrote: »

...you are straying across the line of being a grape.
...I didnt call you any names, keyboard warrior, show a little respect. Face to face, you would.

More threats. Unacceptable.

Pique wrote: »

...(d1ckhead bikers not knowing the dangers or appreciating the potential outcome of ridiculous riding)

Did you really need "d1ckhead" to make your point?

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From the above there's more than enough to warrant a few bans from the forum, but as it's a very emotive topic that got out of hand quickly, I don't think that would be fair.
Infraction for Dunsandin for threatening another poster, Infraction for KamiKazi for insulting another poster.