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    #1022
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    RTE's web site is a joke as regards news. The Newspapers have an absolute Cheek complaining. They should also go do some more journalism and less recycling of wire stories, bigots like Fiske and reprints of Press Releases.

    I'd hope BAI tells the Newspapers/Murdock/Skynews where to stick it.


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    #1023
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Did anyone read the submissions to the consultation which was published on the Dept website this week (doesn't appear to be available at the moment). The Sunday Times article appears to be based on some of the submissions incl Sky, TV3, NNI.

    I sense from the Sky submisssion they feel a threat from DTT/Saorsat and want to ensure that any promotion of RTÉ services include Sky.


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    #1024
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    All sky have to do is offer to carry then free for RTE and deliver them to any Irish viewing card holder. I'm 100% sure that once a service is "debugged" and not on a "Trial basis" RTE will supply it.

    When are Sky going to start collecting VAT here for Ireland instead of giving it to the UK?


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    #1025
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,447 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    watty wrote: »

    When are Sky going to start collecting VAT here for Ireland instead of giving it to the UK?

    When the Irish rate is less than the UK one.

    Simples.:)


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    #1026
    endakenny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭endakenny


    The Cush wrote: »
    Can you post a scan of the of the article?

    Sky News is not regulated here so any impact on it by RTÉ News Now need not be taken into account. Probably included in the article because it has the same owners as the Sunday Times.

    NNI (incl The Sunday Times) have been moaning about RTÉ using licence fee money to provide free news via its website for a while now. News International (Rupert Murdoch), owners of the Sunday Times, are one of the biggest movers behind ending free online news.
    The RTÉ website is funded solely by commercial revenue. I attach the article.


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    #1027
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    endakenny wrote: »
    The RTÉ website is funded solely by commercial revenue.

    NNI and RTÉ presentations to the Oireachtas committee on communications last year.
    Competition in Broadcasting: Discussion with National Newspapers of Ireland (video)
    Competition in Broadcasting: Discussion with RTE (video)


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    #1028
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The RTÉ website does have indirect funding from the licence fee. Regardless I just think the NNI etc are just not stepping up to the mark. Really RTÉ can't be blamed for the closure of The Sunday Tribune, their management didn't invest enough online or provide good quality crossover content.


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    #1029
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Was Six Nations in HD this weekend?


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    #1030
    The Cush
    Registered Users Posts: 15,515 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Elmo wrote: »
    Was Six Nations in HD this weekend?

    No.
    An Tarbh wrote: »
    got an email from RTÉ saying they won't be showing the 6 Nations in full HD, hardly surprising but extremely disappointing nonetheless.


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    #1031
    Pangea
    Registered Users Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭Pangea


    Any updates on Saorsat at all folks?


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    #1032
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Pangea wrote: »
    Any updates on Saorsat at all folks?
    No.

    Don't expect any info on Saorsat before Mid May 2011 at absolute Earliest. Could be as late as end of June for a full Channel Lineup.

    I don't expect to see solutions for Mortals before end June 2011.

    RTE won't confirm or deny anything till it's working.


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    #1033
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    watty wrote: »
    No.

    Don't expect any before Mid May 2011 at absolute Earliest. Could be as late as end of June for a full Channel Lineup.

    I don't expect to see solutions for Mortals before end June 2011.

    RTE won't confirm or deny anything till it's working.

    I have heard that Mid-march is planned for information on the platform i.e. marketing the platform.


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    #1034
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    That's Saorview

    I was writing about Saorsat
    Pangea wrote: »
    Any updates on Saorsat at all folks?


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    #1035
    LIS
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭LIS


    watty,i am aiming this your way as i have a feeling you will know this.sorry to single you out but you always seem to know exactly whats going on:).
    i just recieved this
    http://wotsat.techradar.com/news/rte-unveils-hd-kids-and-news-channels-digital-launch-28-02-11
    does this mean that all the recievers on the black list will all work after the launch allbeit in sd.are they all off the hook?
    thanks in advance


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    #1036
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    No. The Article is a bit misleading.

    The receivers on the black list will never work in Ireland, or on HD anywhere.


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    #1037
    LIS
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭LIS


    Misleading??? they say that there will be sd rte1,rte2,tv3,tg4.surely if they left them four in sd it would solve a problem even for a while.
    think rte should have pre approved boxes before all the black list recievers had time to make it to market,mind you thats my own opinion.


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    #1038
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The longer that an important channel is NOT HD, the bigger the problem gets and then you are stuck like UK with expense of simulcast of both.

    The sooner there is no SD alternative to RTE2 the better.

    Within 3 years all the main channels in UK and Ireland will be HD.

    Saorview is designed as an HD system *minimum* that can carry SD. It's a tremendous waste of money to carry SD & HD versions of the same channel.


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    #1039
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    The Ka Sat ( Saorsat and Satellite Broadband Tooway product) Satellite commissioning has gone swimmingly it seems.

    The Tooway service offerings are to go live on the Irish Spot Beam at the end of MARCH I have been told. I also got this map of the spots which EACH have a capacity of 450Mbits down and 450mbits up in total.

    ka-sat-spot-beam-coverage-footprint-map.gif

    Note the Prime IRISH spot does NOT COVER Northern Ireland, seemingly...or that a larger dish will be required. Nor does the Irish spot cover the extremities of Kerry/Cork although RTÉNL will build a few transmitters down there they tell us.

    I would SPECULATE that if the Ka Sat Irish spot has 10 % or 45mbits of bandwidth reserved for 2 Public Mux equivalents that the total thruput for Tooway downlinks will come in around 400mbits .

    I don't know whether RTE are taking a commensurate 45mbit upload for their own use ...ie Feeds. 45mbits is around 3 x HD uplinks ...possibly broken out in one of the 8 ( sometimes allegedly 10) Ground stations that Ka Sat is supposed to use such as perhaps Elfordstown in Cork.

    Can anybody tell me where them Dishes at Elfordstown are pointing right now ??? :D


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    #1040
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,447 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Is it possible that RTE could use the Saorsat setup to provide news links for remote reports? Might save them a few bob.


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    #1041
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    No, but they could use Ka-Sat just the way they use Intelsat 907 or whatever. Needs different ODU on the Dish Arm. All else can be the same.

    Saorsat is just the brand name of the Irish FTA Satellite TV Direct to Home. Nothing to do with Ka-Sat, ka-band or Outside broadcast uplinks. Saorsat simply happens to be using Ka-Sat for delivery (probably).


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    #1042
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    The Ka Sat ( Saorsat and Satellite Broadband Tooway product) Satellite commissioning has gone swimmingly it seems.

    The Tooway service offerings are to go live on the Irish Spot Beam at the end of MARCH I have been told. I also got this map of the spots which EACH have a capacity of 450Mbits down and 450mbits up in total.

    RTE are not going to use Elfordstown. I'm not sure the uplink site is public info, but I know it.

    The spots are at LEAST twice the shown diameter, that map is service contour.

    The real size of ALL spots is about the sizr of the one just south of Gibraltar.

    Ballycastle I believe is covered.
    ka-sat-inter.png
    see http://www.techtir.ie/saortv/saorsat-coverage

    explains the magic and why Welsh coverage is likely no better than from Mt. Leinster.

    It PERFECTLY covers Donegal and Kerry.

    The ring will correspond to a particular dish size. The limit is NOT bigger dish, but interference from a spot that matches in colour (same polarity and band)


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    #1043
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,447 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    watty wrote: »
    No, but they could use Ka-Sat just the way they use Intelsat 907 or whatever. Needs different ODU on the Dish Arm. All else can be the same.

    Saorsat is just the brand name of the Irish FTA Satellite TV Direct to Home. Nothing to do with Ka-Sat, ka-band or Outside broadcast uplinks. Saorsat simply happens to be using Ka-Sat for delivery (probably).

    Well, if they did use that satellite, I presume they might save a few bob. But I do not know if there would be enough capacity.


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    #1044
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    plenty capacity. About enough for 60 or 70 HD OBs simultaneously!


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    #1045
    Souriau
    Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Souriau


    watty wrote: »
    plenty capacity. About enough for 60 or 70 HD OBs simultaneously!
    OBs?


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    #1046
    [Deleted User]
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    Souriau wrote: »
    OBs?

    Outside Broadcasts I'd assume.


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    #1047
    Souriau
    Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭Souriau


    Karsini wrote: »
    Outside Broadcasts I'd assume.
    I also thought of that aswell but I don't assume but rather to seek correct facts and info.


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    #1048
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Enough OB capacity to uplink 6 x 3DTV/HD feeds from the Munster Final of a summer :)


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    #1049
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Enough OB capacity to uplink 6 x 3DTV/HD feeds from the Munster Final of a summer :)

    Possibly 30 x full 3D TV feeds.


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    #1050
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,447 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    ... but would it be a cheap solution for them?


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    #1051
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Depends on relative cost of upgrades to OB trucks & Eutelsat charge vs whatever they pay now. In long term it could be.
    Especially if Viasat/Tooway don't sell as much Internet capacity as envisaged.


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