Popes Squad Coming To Try Stamp Out Free Thought?

Biggins

VATICAN investigators to Ireland appointed by Pope Benedict XVI are to clamp down on liberal secular opinion in an intensive drive to re-impose traditional respect for clergy, according to informed sources in the Catholic Church.

Article continues here: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/new-vatican-campaign-to-clamp-down-on-liberal-opinion-2210401.html

So this Rome organisation is sending over a small group of men to investigate itself (of course they are going to be totally honest and reveal to the proper authorities every crime they come across and report it, not just make evidence/records vanish?) - but on top of this they are also going outside their stated original remit and are going to try and tell the priests here to tow the line, shut the fcuk up and get your congregation in frakin' order.

The bastards want to take the Irish people back to the thinking of the 1960's for fcuks sake!
Don't question, just follow orders from your general like a good little boy and march Rome's line!

Priests will be told not to question in public official church teaching on controversial issues such as the papal ban on birth control or the admission of divorced Catholics living with new partners to the sacraments -- especially Holy Communion. Theologians will be expected to teach traditional doctrine by constantly preaching to lay Catholics of attendance at Mass and to return to the practice of regular confession, which has been largely abandoned by adults since the 1960s.

Then do they want the public to shut the hell up and go back to their rules of don't tell too?
Are they quietly part of the re-invoking of "disciplines" ?

A major thrust of the Vatican investigation will be to counteract materialistic and secularist attitudes, which Pope Benedict believes have led many Irish Catholics to ignore church disciplines

Yea, its called being able to think for oneself!
Question! Who the fcuk does this foreign pope think he is to tell the Irish people to not think liberally as they do?
Who does he think he is - to send over his foreign squad to here and then tell us how to behave for flips sake! He has some fcukin' nerve!
He can sod right off and take his incoming thugs back with him!
They should be stopped at the security of Dublin Airport and sent right back to where ever the fcuk they came from!

Do what your told now people! The Rome squad and the pope says so!
The man can't even run his own ruddy house. He now wants to try and run Ireland again in the 1960's way of thinking too?

Kev_ps3

Pope bad, Queen good
Irish army weak and pathetic, English army good

Just another day on west-brit.ie

Trashbat

Biggins wrote: »

Question! Who the fcuk does the pope think he is to tell the Irish people to think liberally as they do?

He thinks he is the successor to many other Popes who believed in mind control of the Irish (and other catholic people, of course) population. Don't see any reason why this guys ideas and actions should be any different, they're all part of a corrupted church.

sponsoredwalk

I feel like pulling that picture of a lion watching the apostle's off of google but it just annoyed too many people last time I did it

VATICAN investigators to Ireland appointed by Pope Benedict XVI are to clamp down on liberal secular opinion in an intensive drive to re-impose traditional fear respect for clergy, according to informed sources in the Catholic Church.

I see nothing has changed in terms of the terror of the Catholic church, still willing to use force to get what they want.

It's a shame people are smarter now

sponsoredwalk

Priests will be told not to question in public official church teaching on controversial issues such as the papal ban on birth control or the admission of divorced Catholics living with new partners to the sacraments -- especially Holy Communion.

You have to give them credit, they differ from Stalinist communists in that they are letting us know beforehand that they absolutely need to stifle questioning of doctrine :cool:

A major thrust of the Vatican investigation will be to counteract materialistic and secularist attitudes, which Pope Benedict believes have led many Irish Catholics to ignore church disciplines and become lax in following devotional practices such as going on pilgrimages and doing penance.

Yeah, I think it's crazy nobody is giving themselves 40 lashes on the back before bedtime :mad:

At a meeting held in Maynooth last month, Archbishop Dolan told a gathering of priests "to return to basics" and to ground their ministry in "prayer, humility and a rediscovery of identity".

Back to basics eh, good ol' burn the secularist witches & stifle all questioning of doctrine in public

Let the priests suffer in silence with their questioning for all they care as long as they don't let anyone know about it

Mother Teresa is exemplar in this respect - "the emptiness" I believe she called it :cool: (maybe not that exact word, but nothing too far off it)

"God is the only treasure people desire to find in a priest"

Need the joke be made? :pac:

What a horrible piece of journalism, & what an even worse attempt to tell people they are bastions of morality, there was only scorn for existing catholics & their lax behaviour & war cries for further subjugation.

If that was the only piece of journalism I had a chance to write on I'd consider putting the pen to proper use & gouging out my eyes :eek:

Johnny Utah

1. Very misleading thread/article title.

2. The indo is a rag, this article is just another attempt at sensationalist rubbish.

3. OP, did you even read the article?

4. You claim that "The bastards want to take the Irish people back to the thinking of the 1960's for fcuks sake!". Firstly, that's not true- that's not the objective of this assignment. Secondly, I would bet that most Irish people are not even practising Catholics at present.

5. If you are a practising Catholic and you don't agree with the traditional Catholic doctrine, then you're free to leave at any time.

6. As far as i know, the Catholic Church has always had guidelines on how their priests should conduct themselves in public and, in particular, what is within their remit to say publically (same as any other organisation really).



Biggins, judging by the large number of vitriolic anti-Catholic rants you post here, you seem to have a serious problem with the Catholic Church. It's getting old at this stage!

Midnight_EG

So does this mean I have a better, or worse chance of being touched in the Confession Box?

pablomakaveli

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Pope bad, Queen good
Irish army weak and pathetic, English army good

Just another day on west-brit.ie

You are aware this is 2010 not 1910.

Anyway i don't think it really matters what these guys do because most people don't give a flying **** about the church in this country anymore.

Mr Benevolent

Catholicism is a comparatively new religion and it failed the simplest of tests, i.e, its representatives raping children. The church condoning human sacrifice could hardly be worse for it's reputation in Ireland. Once the previous two generations are no more it will cease to exist in Ireland. Hopefully a more enlightened and practical religion will gain ground. One that publically condemns child molestation, for instance. So wave goodbye to one of the most evil, misguided and profitable organisations on the planet.

Biggins

Johnny Utah wrote: »

1. Very misleading thread/article title.

2. The indo is a rag, this article is just another attempt at sensationalist rubbish.

3. OP, did you even read the article?

4. You claim that "The bastards want to take the Irish people back to the thinking of the 1960's for fcuks sake!". Firstly, that's not true- that's not the objective of this assignment. Secondly, I would bet that most Irish people are not even practising Catholics at present.

5. If you are a practising Catholic and you don't agree with the traditional Catholic doctrine, then you're free to leave at any time.

6. As far as i know, the Catholic Church has always had guidelines on how their priests should conduct themselves in public and, in particular, what is within their remit to say publicly (same as any other organisation really).

Biggins, judging by the large number of vitriolic anti-Catholic rants you post here, you seem to have a serious problem with the Catholic Church. It's getting old at this stage!

1. How so?
2. Possible but the underlying facts are true. They are coming, they have their agenda.
3. Yes.
4. The objective of this assignment was earlier stated to in-house investigate certain church branches. Now their remit has been upped. Secondly, although they might not be "practising", they still turn up and listen to the speeches from the alter every Sunday/every day. By their preaching, if you don't follow their lecturing, you must be evil and/or immoral!
5. I did. I object however to a foreign bunch coming over though and trying to tell my fellow decent Irish people that they are possibly immoral if they don't get back to the way Rome wants them to think and behave.
6. Rome has orders indeed as to how their lower brothers should toe the line, publicly or not. If they want to do that to themselves within the confines of their own building walls so be it. But when they step outside those four walls and try to impose by non-elected means (by us) those same rules, I object! Its still a free-ish country, I'm allowed do so.

Finally, your free not to read any post you know.

sponsoredwalk

Johnny Utah wrote: »

2. The indo is a rag, this article is just another attempt at sensationalist rubbish.

Very true after reading that horrible journalistic excursion.

Johnny Utah wrote: »

4. You claim that "The bastards want to take the Irish people back to the thinking of the 1960's for fcuks sake!". Firstly, that's not true- that's not the objective of this assignment. Secondly, I would bet that most Irish people are not even practising Catholics at present.

I got the impression this was the case seeing as the article specifically mentions that this was the goal, go figure!

VATICAN investigators to Ireland appointed by Pope Benedict XVI are to clamp down on liberal secular opinion in an intensive drive to re-impose traditional respect for clergy, according to informed sources in the Catholic Church.

The nine-member team led by two cardinals will be instructed by the Vatican to restore a traditional sense of reverence among ordinary Catholics for their priests, the Irish Independent has learned.
Priests will be told not to question in public official church teaching on controversial issues such as the papal ban on birth control or the admission of divorced Catholics living with new partners to the sacraments -- especially Holy Communion.

Theologians will be expected to teach traditional doctrine by constantly preaching to lay Catholics of attendance at Mass and to return to the practice of regular confession, which has been largely abandoned by adults since the 1960s.

Then again, I did read the article

Johnny Utah wrote: »

5. If you are a practising Catholic and you don't agree with the traditional Catholic doctrine, then you're free to leave at any time.

Sounds awfully familiar

pablomakaveli

Confab wrote: »

Catholicism is a comparatively new religion and it failed the simplest of tests, i.e, its representatives raping children. The church condoning human sacrifice could hardly be worse for it's reputation in Ireland. Once the previous two generations are no more it will cease to exist in Ireland. Hopefully a more enlightened and practical religion will gain ground. One that publically condemns child molestation, for instance. So wave goodbye to one of the most evil, misguided and profitable organisations on the planet.

If the Catholic Church had serious reform mainly from the top level down i think people would be more accepting of it but i cant ever see the pope and bishops wanting to give up thier tight control of the organization.

It's sometimes funny to see how pissy the pope and bishops get because they know their influence is diminishing rapidly in the modern world.

Kev_ps3

Confab wrote: »

Catholicism is a comparatively new religion and it failed the simplest of tests, i.e, its representatives raping children. The church condoning human sacrifice could hardly be worse for it's reputation in Ireland. Once the previous two generations are no more it will cease to exist in Ireland. Hopefully a more enlightened and practical religion will gain ground. One that publically condemns child molestation, for instance. So wave goodbye to one of the most evil, misguided and profitable organisations on the planet.

Yeah lets all convert to Protestantism, welcome the Queen and join the British Army.

Biggins

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Yeah lets all convert to Protestantism, welcome the Queen and join the British Army.

Keep trying, someone might take the bait. :pac:

Sea Sharp

I hate the way people associate common sense and not having delusions of superiority or inferiority with the seemingly dirty word 'liberalism'.

Whatever they try and do will fall on its face, catholicism has had its time.

Offy

After all is said and done we do the the Catholic church to thank for education in Ireland from the days of the hedge schools to present. Im not trying to excuse the church for some of the wrongs it has done in Ireland, Im only pointing out that its not all bad.

rugbyman

quote from Biggins to someone who was tired of his/her stance,

"Finally, your free not to read any post, you know."

+ 1.

Rugbyman

sponsoredwalk

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Pope bad, Queen good
Irish army weak and pathetic, English army good

Just another day on west-brit.ie

and then;

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Yeah lets all convert to Protestantism, welcome the Queen and join the British Army.

You're wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too focused on Britain son, sounds a bit too raa-ish or conspiracy theory-ish for my liking when you start taking random things and then dragging them back viciously to topic X.

It's funny why you picked Britain to link it to illustrate a more enlightened (:rolleyes:) form of christianity (Protestantism) & not Germany where Martin Luther's protestant reformation begun :rolleyes:

Sofiztikated

Have to say, I'm with Biggins on this one, and I'm not a Catholic, nor do I subscribe to any particular religion. (Born and raised Presbyterian, btw.)

Can I ask, how would people feel if the head of the Protestant church came over, and started telling people how to live, and what laws they should/shouldn't obey, or is there just acceptance because its the pope?

Kev_ps3

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

and then;




You're wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too focused on Britain son, sounds a bit too raa-ish or conspiracy theory-ish for my liking when you start taking random things and then dragging them back viciously to topic X.

It's funny why you picked Britain to link it to illustrate a more enlightened (:rolleyes:) form of christianity (Protestantism) & not Germany where Martin Luther's protestant reformation begun :rolleyes:

LOL, im not the one creating all the threads here about Britain.
Personally, I dont believe in a religion, If I had the power Id ban the all.

rugbyman

Offy wrote: »

After all is said and done we do the the Catholic church to thank for education in Ireland from the days of the hedge schools to present. Im not trying to excuse the church for some of the wrongs it has done in Ireland, Im only pointing out that its not all bad.

re your " not all bad" bit ; Clearly that is true( as I write I realise that maybe it is not so clear, nor even true) , I tend to think that there was much good done by the Church .No I am unable to say that either.
To resume ,i believe there were many ,many good clergymen and women,

However, my point in writing just now is that my belief that the Catholic Church invested so much in Education, so as to secure and cement Conrol, rather than to supply education. This would be true of many religions in many countries.

Rugbyman

Offy

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Have to say, I'm with Biggins on this one, and I'm not a Catholic, nor do I subscribe to any particular religion. (Born and raised Presbyterian, btw.)

Can I ask, how would people feel if the head of the Protestant church came over, and started telling people how to live, and what laws they should/shouldn't obey, or is there just acceptance because its the pope?

tbh Id feel the same as the Pope doing it, Id smile, nod in agreement and then do my own thing!

Offy

rugbyman wrote: »

re your " not all bad" bit ; Clearly that is true( as I write I realise that maybe it is not so clear, nor even true) , I tend to think that there was much good done by the Church .No I am unable to say that either.
To resume ,i believe there were many ,many good clergymen and women,

However, my point in writing just now is that my belief that the Catholic Church invested so much in Education, so as to secure and cement Conrol, rather than to supply education. This would be true of many religions in many countries.

Rugbyman

I agree Rugbyman, Im just pointing out that we did benefit in some way from the church even if that wasnt the intention its still a positive for us.

Sofiztikated

Offy wrote: »

After all is said and done we do the the Catholic church to thank for education in Ireland from the days of the hedge schools to present. Im not trying to excuse the church for some of the wrongs it has done in Ireland, Im only pointing out that its not all bad.

I can't believe I'm going to Godwin this, BUT Hitler did instigate the building of some of the best roads in Europe, and he doesn't have a great reputation.

Just because some things are good, doesn't mean we should just accept it.

Thomas828

Feh! Ignore that odious twaddle that passes for journalism. As soon as i saw the link www.independent.ie I knew this was going to be just another half-baked rant and I knew not to let it get me angry.

Offy

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I can't believe I'm going to Godwin this, BUT Hitler did instigate the building of some of the best roads in Europe, and he doesn't have a great reputation.

Just because some things are good, doesn't mean we should just accept it.

Im not suggesting we accept the bad Sofiztikated, just the good. Diffrentiate between the two and take the good from it.

Pittens

What's a Pope's coming squad?

sponsoredwalk

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I can't believe I'm going to Godwin this, BUT Hitler did instigate the building of some of the best roads in Europe, and he doesn't have a great reputation.

Just because some things are good, doesn't mean we should just accept it.

Sorry bud, you made a good point but it's automatically just discounted from the record for breach of the law...

It's just the rules of internetz

Biggins

The schools were indeed a blessing and much thanks has been said for them, many times.

We should not make the mistake though in thinking that because of that honest great gift, we should stay eternally possibly subservient to their ways and preachings besides just meekly accepting some subtle form of subjugation to them.

Biggins

Pittens wrote: »

What's a Pope's coming squad?

Pee shooters!

Bottle_of_Smoke

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Pope bad, Queen good
Irish army weak and pathetic, English army good

Just another day on west-brit.ie

Eh . .. where was the Queen, Irish or British Army mentioned?

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Yeah lets all convert to Protestantism, welcome the Queen and join the British Army.

Ok new enlightened religion mentioned, but Protestantism, Queen and BA weren't!

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

LOL, im not the one creating all the threads here about Britain.
Personally, I dont believe in a religion, If I had the power Id ban the all.

Well this one didn't mention Britain, you did however seem to try and take it that way with no real reason.

I'm not denying there's anti-Republicanism from a large percentage of boards posters, but if you can't start a thread about the idiocy of the Vatican without accusations of such, it might suggest the Republican is overreacting. Especially when Republicanism is a secular ideology and many highly esteemed Republicans were Protestants.

Nodin

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Yeah lets all convert to Protestantism, welcome the Queen and join the British Army.

Sectarianism is against the Republican ethos. I'd suggest getting sense.

reallyrose

Confab wrote: »

Hopefully a more enlightened and practical religion will gain ground.

Cthulhu is always looking for new souls.

(nom nom)

heavyballs

Biggins wrote: »

to send over his foreign squad to here and then tell us how to behave for flips sake! He has some fcukin' nerve!
QUOTE]

i love it,havn't heard flips sake in years,would you not have said flippin nerve also?

on a serious note c*ap like the above is the reason why i don't go to church,i did for the sake of my kids go to church fotr a couple of years,then i realised that's a load of sheite,so i stopped
the day i stopped going to church i remember when the congregation stood up to say the Hail Mary i got a feeling like i was in a cult,was really strange,for the first time i got the real feeling that we were being brainwashed

sponsoredwalk

heavyballs wrote: »

the day i stopped going to church i remember when the congregation stood up to say the Hail Mary i got a feeling like i was in a cult,was really strange,for the first time i got the real feeling that we were being brainwashed

I don't know how I never got that feeling back then, I think it was just because I was young & too focused on the amazing windows in the church & my own thoughts to care.

I never heard a word in that building & was just watching people recite these latin verses they themselves didn't understand (I asked) but never noticed the brainwishiness!

I also consciously exploited the fact that I was young and could play outside the back door of the church

Offy

Biggins wrote: »

The schools were indeed a blessing and much thanks has been said for them, many times.

We should not make the mistake though in thinking that because of that honest great gift, we should stay eternally possibly subservient to their ways and preachings besides just meekly accepting some subtle form of subjugation to them.

+1
Their day in Ireland is over, I have no doubt about that.

thetonynator

Selective Quoting should be banned.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Here come the Alpha Draconians - woo hooo!

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Yeah lets all convert to Protestantism, welcome the Queen and join the British Army.

Buddhism FTW. More of a philosophy than a religin, I know, but technically better than anything Christianity has offered. Despite Jesus himself leading a life that was pretty Buddhist in nature (enthough he probably never heard of Buddha, I know). Probbaly gaining in popularity, I would think.

Biggins wrote: »

The schools were indeed a blessing and much thanks has been said for them, many times.

We should not make the mistake though in thinking that because of that honest great gift, we should stay eternally possibly subservient to their ways and preachings besides just meekly accepting some subtle form of subjugation to them.

"Gift", my arse. Those are your taxes paying for your, ahem, non-denominatinoal, ahem, schools.

At the end of the day, I don't see this having any effect on Irish society. A religion like this needs ignorance to survive, and Irish people are a lot more clued in these days than back in the 60s. Unless someone with the propoganda skills of Hitler comes along, the fish just ain't goin to bite.

Biggins

I don't remember when exactly but it just dawned on me one day "what the hell am I doing listening to this man that has no relationship to me, prattling on about a mystical man and some other ancient woman?"

After that, when I took things into consideration, I came to the conclusion "These robed guys are so far living in the past, is beyond belief that they still think ancient methods from even more ancient manuscripts could still apply in this modern age."

Besides the fact that there is billions and billions of stars/planets/galaxies out there and that one ancient alien/ghost/mystic/whatever just happened to land on ourselves and get nailed to a cross "for our sins" ?

And then there was the continuing "do as I say - not as I do" corruption from a foreign based organisation - that was it. I had enough of it and said good riddance.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

"Gift", my arse. Those are your taxes paying for your, ahem, non-denominational, ahem, schools.

At the end of the day, I don't see this having any effect on Irish society. A religion like this needs ignorance to survive, and Irish people are a lot more clued in these days than back in the 60s. Unless someone with the propaganda skills of Hitler comes along, the fish just ain't goin to bite.

True. They sure got very, very rich alone from the money handed over to them by those under their influence.
What's the church in Ireland alone worth? Billions. In property, land, investments, etc.

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Buddhism FTW. More of a philosophy than a religion, I know, but technically better than anything Christianity has offered. Despite Jesus himself leading a life that was pretty Buddhist in nature (though he probably never heard of Buddha, I know). Probably gaining in popularity, I would think.

Again true. Buddhism I found to be a more grounded idea about treating all life as precious (although there is a few wacky bits in it too to be honest).

orourkeda

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

LOL, im not the one creating all the threads here about Britain.
Personally, I dont believe in a religion, If I had the power Id ban the all.

The thread title concerns the catholic church trying to eradicate freedom of thought. Why then would you attempt to deprave people of their right to practice religion if they see fit.

orourkeda

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I can't believe I'm going to Godwin this, BUT Hitler did instigate the building of some of the best roads in Europe, and he doesn't have a great reputation.

Just because some things are good, doesn't mean we should just accept it.

Hitler was historys most notorious dictator.

Pope Benedict isnt. Comparing the catholic church to Nazi Road Builders is unfair and irresponsible

sponsoredwalk

Biggins wrote: »

Buddhism I found to be a more grounded idea about treating all life as precious (although there is a few wacky bits in it too to be honest).

Pch, you'd get that impression from Richard Gere and Lisa Simpson alright

This is definitely another case of the - do as I say, not as I do - variety of religion.

Just look at the amount of war this religion has caused & some of the Dali Lama's lapse's in pacifism, (and what aims they suited).

Biggins

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

Pch, you'd get that impression from Richard Gere and Lisa Simpson alright

This is definitely another case of the - do as I say, not as I do - variety of religion.

Just look at the amount of war this religion has caused & some of the Dali Lama's lapse's in pacifism, (and what aims they suited).

True, very true...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

Pch, you'd get that impression from Richard Gere and Lisa Simpson alright

Possibly, if he listened to them. On the other hand, you'd get a similar impression if actually sat down and studied something.

This is definitely another case of the - do as I say, not as I do - variety of religion.

HA!
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha

Ths thing about Buddhism is that no aspects of it are forced or even compulsory. Disagreement is fine. Can't you say the same about the Chrisitan offerings.

Just look at the amount of war this religion has caused & some of the Dali Lama's lapse's in pacifism, (and what aims they suited).

"Caused"? You are aware that Tibet was invaded, rather than invading itself?

johnny_knoxvile

to protest against this we should organise a Mass protest and all have immoral thoughts...maybe even an orgy... Outside the church... No scratch that it will only attract the wrong sort of crowd...priests, ugh!

partyatmygaff

Biggins, I really am starting to wonder if you're actually a tabloid journalist posting here on boards. Each and every post you make is more reactionary and more sensationalist than the last. I do not know how you comprehended that article but having it read it myself without a vendetta for the Catholic Church and a deeply ingrained hate I saw no attempts of

Question! Who the fcuk does this foreign pope think he is to tell the Irish people to not think liberally as they do?

This group that is arriving is here solely to instruct the priests on how to encourage the PRACTICING members of their churches to lead more christian lives and to bring them back to confession and the like. At no point was it mentioned that he was coming to dictate every single person of Ireland's life like a certain dictator. A Catholic is free to leave the church if they are not happy for any reason. I do not see how he is going to crush liberal thinking either. All the purpose of this meeting is to instruct priests on how to encourage practicing Catholics to more fully practice their faith. Feel free to add your little spin on that. Just don't be surprised if The Sun offer you a job as a journalist with them.

I know you want a reaction and you want to push your vendetta of the big, bad evil Catholic church but please don't degenerate boards to tabloids and sensationalism. You used to be a sensible poster who didn't need to use spins and sensationlalised BS to make a post.

Biggins

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Biggins, I really am starting to wonder...

With the greatest of respect, they are being sent over to tell the already priests here to rein themselves in (and that ok's if the priests want to stay within the org's rules and walls) but those principles will then be extended to the rest of those he preaches/lectures to.
And of those methods are extended again into our every day lives, the barely visible line between separation of church and state (thus laws too) in this country, will take two steps back rather than two steps forward again and fade even more so.

Cheap Thrills!

Popes coming squad can fiddle off back to Rome. They'll find no unattended children here any more for them.

There are some people outside the Bishops palace on hunger strike living in a tent. They've tied small shoes all along the railings there in front of it to represent the kids the CC abused with impunity.

Why is this never on the news or mentioned anywhere....

Will it make news if they die?

partyatmygaff

Biggins wrote: »

With the greatest of respect, They are being sent over to tell the already priests here to rein themselves in (and that ok's if the priests want to stay within the org's rules) but those principles will them be extended to the rest of those he preaches to.
And of those methods are extended again into our every day life, the barely visible line between separation of church and state (thus laws too) in this country, will tale two steps back rather than two steps forward again.

Not really, if you ask me. You must remember that the priests (Of today...) are more than likely devout Christians. They will warm to the idea of trying to bring back their practicing congregation to practicing their faith more fully. Take for example confession, the group coming will more than likely instruct them to try and encourage regular confession. The priest will attempt to encourage his congregation to do so. If they wish to do so, they will do so. If not, then they will not do so. Simple as that really.
The seperation of church and state is well underway in Ireland (At long last ) and I sincerely doubt that any of this could have an effect on non-catholics such as yourself, I and others in this thread.

Sorry if I sounded a bit nasty in that last post but it's just that I really can't stand it when something is spun like that.

sponsoredwalk

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha

Hmm...

Wouldn't quantum mechanics then be somethine we do not believe to be true if we were to base our views off of this quote's love of common sense?

Also, doesn't the Dali Lama himself have respect for quantum mechanics??

Please don't try to take a contradictory & out of context quote from antiquity to validate;

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]In South Korea, in 1998, thousands of monks of the Chogye Buddhist order fought each other with fists, rocks, fire-bombs, and clubs, in pitched battles that went on for weeks. They were vying for control of the order, the largest in South Korea, with its annual budget of $9.2 million, its millions of dollars worth of property, and the privilege of appointing 1,700 monks to various offices. The brawls damaged the main Buddhist sanctuaries and left dozens of monks injured, some seriously. The Korean public appeared to disdain both factions, feeling that no matter what side took control, “it would use worshippers’ donations for luxurious houses and expensive cars.”[/FONT]

murder over money and land...


No, I do not say the same about christianity, it's screwed up in it's own special god-given way...

storm2811

I wonder how many people will actually go along with this?
Catholics can be catholics without going to mass every week or pilgrimages and still have a strong faith,they're just really coming in to try and get them to practice their faith more,I don't really see a problem with that,they're not exactly forcing anyone to go to confession or mass.

They've just realised that no one will really come back or do this by themselves so they're just trying to encourage people to.
Trying to get the faith back after the molestation stories came out really.