Popes Squad Coming To Try Stamp Out Free Thought?

Biggins · 07-06-2010 09:16AM #1

VATICAN investigators to Ireland appointed by Pope Benedict XVI are to clamp down on liberal secular opinion in an intensive drive to re-impose traditional respect for clergy, according to informed sources in the Catholic Church.

Article continues here: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/new-vatican-campaign-to-clamp-down-on-liberal-opinion-2210401.html

So this Rome organisation is sending over a small group of men to investigate itself (of course they are going to be totally honest and reveal to the proper authorities every crime they come across and report it, not just make evidence/records vanish?) - but on top of this they are also going outside their stated original remit and are going to try and tell the priests here to tow the line, shut the fcuk up and get your congregation in frakin' order.

The bastards want to take the Irish people back to the thinking of the 1960's for fcuks sake!
Don't question, just follow orders from your general like a good little boy and march Rome's line!

Priests will be told not to question in public official church teaching on controversial issues such as the papal ban on birth control or the admission of divorced Catholics living with new partners to the sacraments -- especially Holy Communion. Theologians will be expected to teach traditional doctrine by constantly preaching to lay Catholics of attendance at Mass and to return to the practice of regular confession, which has been largely abandoned by adults since the 1960s.

Then do they want the public to shut the hell up and go back to their rules of don't tell too?
Are they quietly part of the re-invoking of "disciplines" ?

A major thrust of the Vatican investigation will be to counteract materialistic and secularist attitudes, which Pope Benedict believes have led many Irish Catholics to ignore church disciplines

Yea, its called being able to think for oneself!
Question! Who the fcuk does this foreign pope think he is to tell the Irish people to not think liberally as they do?
Who does he think he is - to send over his foreign squad to here and then tell us how to behave for flips sake! He has some fcukin' nerve!
He can sod right off and take his incoming thugs back with him!
They should be stopped at the security of Dublin Airport and sent right back to where ever the fcuk they came from!

Do what your told now people! The Rome squad and the pope says so!
The man can't even run his own ruddy house. He now wants to try and run Ireland again in the 1960's way of thinking too?

Kev_ps3 · 07-06-2010 09:27AM

Pope bad, Queen good
Irish army weak and pathetic, English army good

Just another day on west-brit.ie

Trashbat · 07-06-2010 09:27AM

Biggins wrote: »

Question! Who the fcuk does the pope think he is to tell the Irish people to think liberally as they do?

He thinks he is the successor to many other Popes who believed in mind control of the Irish (and other catholic people, of course) population. Don't see any reason why this guys ideas and actions should be any different, they're all part of a corrupted church.

sponsoredwalk · 07-06-2010 09:47AM

I feel like pulling that picture of a lion watching the apostle's off of google but it just annoyed too many people last time I did it

VATICAN investigators to Ireland appointed by Pope Benedict XVI are to clamp down on liberal secular opinion in an intensive drive to re-impose traditional fear respect for clergy, according to informed sources in the Catholic Church.

I see nothing has changed in terms of the terror of the Catholic church, still willing to use force to get what they want.

It's a shame people are smarter now

sponsoredwalk · 07-06-2010 09:58AM

Priests will be told not to question in public official church teaching on controversial issues such as the papal ban on birth control or the admission of divorced Catholics living with new partners to the sacraments -- especially Holy Communion.

You have to give them credit, they differ from Stalinist communists in that they are letting us know beforehand that they absolutely need to stifle questioning of doctrine :cool:

A major thrust of the Vatican investigation will be to counteract materialistic and secularist attitudes, which Pope Benedict believes have led many Irish Catholics to ignore church disciplines and become lax in following devotional practices such as going on pilgrimages and doing penance.

Yeah, I think it's crazy nobody is giving themselves 40 lashes on the back before bedtime :mad:

At a meeting held in Maynooth last month, Archbishop Dolan told a gathering of priests "to return to basics" and to ground their ministry in "prayer, humility and a rediscovery of identity".

Back to basics eh, good ol' burn the secularist witches & stifle all questioning of doctrine in public

Let the priests suffer in silence with their questioning for all they care as long as they don't let anyone know about it

Mother Teresa is exemplar in this respect - "the emptiness" I believe she called it :cool: (maybe not that exact word, but nothing too far off it)

"God is the only treasure people desire to find in a priest"

Need the joke be made? :pac:

What a horrible piece of journalism, & what an even worse attempt to tell people they are bastions of morality, there was only scorn for existing catholics & their lax behaviour & war cries for further subjugation.

If that was the only piece of journalism I had a chance to write on I'd consider putting the pen to proper use & gouging out my eyes :eek:

Johnny Utah · 07-06-2010 10:03AM

1. Very misleading thread/article title.

2. The indo is a rag, this article is just another attempt at sensationalist rubbish.

3. OP, did you even read the article?

4. You claim that "The bastards want to take the Irish people back to the thinking of the 1960's for fcuks sake!". Firstly, that's not true- that's not the objective of this assignment. Secondly, I would bet that most Irish people are not even practising Catholics at present.

5. If you are a practising Catholic and you don't agree with the traditional Catholic doctrine, then you're free to leave at any time.

6. As far as i know, the Catholic Church has always had guidelines on how their priests should conduct themselves in public and, in particular, what is within their remit to say publically (same as any other organisation really).

Biggins, judging by the large number of vitriolic anti-Catholic rants you post here, you seem to have a serious problem with the Catholic Church. It's getting old at this stage!

Midnight_EG · 07-06-2010 10:04AM

So does this mean I have a better, or worse chance of being touched in the Confession Box?

pablomakaveli · 07-06-2010 10:12AM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Pope bad, Queen good
Irish army weak and pathetic, English army good

Just another day on west-brit.ie

You are aware this is 2010 not 1910.

Anyway i don't think it really matters what these guys do because most people don't give a flying **** about the church in this country anymore.

Mr Benevolent · 07-06-2010 10:15AM

Catholicism is a comparatively new religion and it failed the simplest of tests, i.e, its representatives raping children. The church condoning human sacrifice could hardly be worse for it's reputation in Ireland. Once the previous two generations are no more it will cease to exist in Ireland. Hopefully a more enlightened and practical religion will gain ground. One that publically condemns child molestation, for instance. So wave goodbye to one of the most evil, misguided and profitable organisations on the planet.

Biggins · 07-06-2010 10:16AM

Johnny Utah wrote: »

1. Very misleading thread/article title.

2. The indo is a rag, this article is just another attempt at sensationalist rubbish.

3. OP, did you even read the article?

4. You claim that "The bastards want to take the Irish people back to the thinking of the 1960's for fcuks sake!". Firstly, that's not true- that's not the objective of this assignment. Secondly, I would bet that most Irish people are not even practising Catholics at present.

5. If you are a practising Catholic and you don't agree with the traditional Catholic doctrine, then you're free to leave at any time.

6. As far as i know, the Catholic Church has always had guidelines on how their priests should conduct themselves in public and, in particular, what is within their remit to say publicly (same as any other organisation really).

Biggins, judging by the large number of vitriolic anti-Catholic rants you post here, you seem to have a serious problem with the Catholic Church. It's getting old at this stage!

1. How so?
2. Possible but the underlying facts are true. They are coming, they have their agenda.
3. Yes.
4. The objective of this assignment was earlier stated to in-house investigate certain church branches. Now their remit has been upped. Secondly, although they might not be "practising", they still turn up and listen to the speeches from the alter every Sunday/every day. By their preaching, if you don't follow their lecturing, you must be evil and/or immoral!
5. I did. I object however to a foreign bunch coming over though and trying to tell my fellow decent Irish people that they are possibly immoral if they don't get back to the way Rome wants them to think and behave.
6. Rome has orders indeed as to how their lower brothers should toe the line, publicly or not. If they want to do that to themselves within the confines of their own building walls so be it. But when they step outside those four walls and try to impose by non-elected means (by us) those same rules, I object! Its still a free-ish country, I'm allowed do so.

Finally, your free not to read any post you know.

sponsoredwalk · 07-06-2010 10:18AM

Johnny Utah wrote: »

2. The indo is a rag, this article is just another attempt at sensationalist rubbish.

Very true after reading that horrible journalistic excursion.

Johnny Utah wrote: »

4. You claim that "The bastards want to take the Irish people back to the thinking of the 1960's for fcuks sake!". Firstly, that's not true- that's not the objective of this assignment. Secondly, I would bet that most Irish people are not even practising Catholics at present.

I got the impression this was the case seeing as the article specifically mentions that this was the goal, go figure!

VATICAN investigators to Ireland appointed by Pope Benedict XVI are to clamp down on liberal secular opinion in an intensive drive to re-impose traditional respect for clergy, according to informed sources in the Catholic Church.

The nine-member team led by two cardinals will be instructed by the Vatican to restore a traditional sense of reverence among ordinary Catholics for their priests, the Irish Independent has learned.
Priests will be told not to question in public official church teaching on controversial issues such as the papal ban on birth control or the admission of divorced Catholics living with new partners to the sacraments -- especially Holy Communion.

Theologians will be expected to teach traditional doctrine by constantly preaching to lay Catholics of attendance at Mass and to return to the practice of regular confession, which has been largely abandoned by adults since the 1960s.

Then again, I did read the article

Johnny Utah wrote: »

5. If you are a practising Catholic and you don't agree with the traditional Catholic doctrine, then you're free to leave at any time.

Sounds awfully familiar

pablomakaveli · 07-06-2010 10:21AM

Confab wrote: »

Catholicism is a comparatively new religion and it failed the simplest of tests, i.e, its representatives raping children. The church condoning human sacrifice could hardly be worse for it's reputation in Ireland. Once the previous two generations are no more it will cease to exist in Ireland. Hopefully a more enlightened and practical religion will gain ground. One that publically condemns child molestation, for instance. So wave goodbye to one of the most evil, misguided and profitable organisations on the planet.

If the Catholic Church had serious reform mainly from the top level down i think people would be more accepting of it but i cant ever see the pope and bishops wanting to give up thier tight control of the organization.

It's sometimes funny to see how pissy the pope and bishops get because they know their influence is diminishing rapidly in the modern world.

Kev_ps3 · 07-06-2010 10:22AM

Confab wrote: »

Catholicism is a comparatively new religion and it failed the simplest of tests, i.e, its representatives raping children. The church condoning human sacrifice could hardly be worse for it's reputation in Ireland. Once the previous two generations are no more it will cease to exist in Ireland. Hopefully a more enlightened and practical religion will gain ground. One that publically condemns child molestation, for instance. So wave goodbye to one of the most evil, misguided and profitable organisations on the planet.

Yeah lets all convert to Protestantism, welcome the Queen and join the British Army.

Biggins · 07-06-2010 10:23AM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Yeah lets all convert to Protestantism, welcome the Queen and join the British Army.

Keep trying, someone might take the bait. :pac:

Sea Sharp · 07-06-2010 10:24AM

I hate the way people associate common sense and not having delusions of superiority or inferiority with the seemingly dirty word 'liberalism'.

Whatever they try and do will fall on its face, catholicism has had its time.

Offy · 07-06-2010 10:27AM

After all is said and done we do the the Catholic church to thank for education in Ireland from the days of the hedge schools to present. Im not trying to excuse the church for some of the wrongs it has done in Ireland, Im only pointing out that its not all bad.

rugbyman · 07-06-2010 10:27AM

quote from Biggins to someone who was tired of his/her stance,

"Finally, your free not to read any post, you know."

+ 1.

Rugbyman

sponsoredwalk · 07-06-2010 10:28AM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Pope bad, Queen good
Irish army weak and pathetic, English army good

Just another day on west-brit.ie

and then;

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Yeah lets all convert to Protestantism, welcome the Queen and join the British Army.

You're wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too focused on Britain son, sounds a bit too raa-ish or conspiracy theory-ish for my liking when you start taking random things and then dragging them back viciously to topic X.

It's funny why you picked Britain to link it to illustrate a more enlightened (:rolleyes:) form of christianity (Protestantism) & not Germany where Martin Luther's protestant reformation begun :rolleyes:

Sofiztikated · 07-06-2010 10:31AM

Have to say, I'm with Biggins on this one, and I'm not a Catholic, nor do I subscribe to any particular religion. (Born and raised Presbyterian, btw.)

Can I ask, how would people feel if the head of the Protestant church came over, and started telling people how to live, and what laws they should/shouldn't obey, or is there just acceptance because its the pope?

Kev_ps3 · 07-06-2010 10:35AM

sponsoredwalk wrote: »

and then;

You're wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too focused on Britain son, sounds a bit too raa-ish or conspiracy theory-ish for my liking when you start taking random things and then dragging them back viciously to topic X.

It's funny why you picked Britain to link it to illustrate a more enlightened (:rolleyes:) form of christianity (Protestantism) & not Germany where Martin Luther's protestant reformation begun :rolleyes:

LOL, im not the one creating all the threads here about Britain.
Personally, I dont believe in a religion, If I had the power Id ban the all.

rugbyman · 07-06-2010 10:35AM

Offy wrote: »

After all is said and done we do the the Catholic church to thank for education in Ireland from the days of the hedge schools to present. Im not trying to excuse the church for some of the wrongs it has done in Ireland, Im only pointing out that its not all bad.

re your " not all bad" bit ; Clearly that is true( as I write I realise that maybe it is not so clear, nor even true) , I tend to think that there was much good done by the Church .No I am unable to say that either.
To resume ,i believe there were many ,many good clergymen and women,

However, my point in writing just now is that my belief that the Catholic Church invested so much in Education, so as to secure and cement Conrol, rather than to supply education. This would be true of many religions in many countries.

Rugbyman

Offy · 07-06-2010 10:37AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Have to say, I'm with Biggins on this one, and I'm not a Catholic, nor do I subscribe to any particular religion. (Born and raised Presbyterian, btw.)

Can I ask, how would people feel if the head of the Protestant church came over, and started telling people how to live, and what laws they should/shouldn't obey, or is there just acceptance because its the pope?

tbh Id feel the same as the Pope doing it, Id smile, nod in agreement and then do my own thing!

Offy · 07-06-2010 10:39AM

rugbyman wrote: »

re your " not all bad" bit ; Clearly that is true( as I write I realise that maybe it is not so clear, nor even true) , I tend to think that there was much good done by the Church .No I am unable to say that either.
To resume ,i believe there were many ,many good clergymen and women,

However, my point in writing just now is that my belief that the Catholic Church invested so much in Education, so as to secure and cement Conrol, rather than to supply education. This would be true of many religions in many countries.

Rugbyman

I agree Rugbyman, Im just pointing out that we did benefit in some way from the church even if that wasnt the intention its still a positive for us.

Sofiztikated · 07-06-2010 10:41AM

Offy wrote: »

After all is said and done we do the the Catholic church to thank for education in Ireland from the days of the hedge schools to present. Im not trying to excuse the church for some of the wrongs it has done in Ireland, Im only pointing out that its not all bad.

I can't believe I'm going to Godwin this, BUT Hitler did instigate the building of some of the best roads in Europe, and he doesn't have a great reputation.

Just because some things are good, doesn't mean we should just accept it.

Thomas828 · 07-06-2010 10:42AM

Feh! Ignore that odious twaddle that passes for journalism. As soon as i saw the link www.independent.ie I knew this was going to be just another half-baked rant and I knew not to let it get me angry.

Offy · 07-06-2010 10:45AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I can't believe I'm going to Godwin this, BUT Hitler did instigate the building of some of the best roads in Europe, and he doesn't have a great reputation.

Just because some things are good, doesn't mean we should just accept it.

Im not suggesting we accept the bad Sofiztikated, just the good. Diffrentiate between the two and take the good from it.

Pittens · 07-06-2010 10:47AM

What's a Pope's coming squad?

sponsoredwalk · 07-06-2010 10:48AM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I can't believe I'm going to Godwin this, BUT Hitler did instigate the building of some of the best roads in Europe, and he doesn't have a great reputation.

Just because some things are good, doesn't mean we should just accept it.

Sorry bud, you made a good point but it's automatically just discounted from the record for breach of the law...

It's just the rules of internetz

Biggins · 07-06-2010 10:53AM

The schools were indeed a blessing and much thanks has been said for them, many times.

We should not make the mistake though in thinking that because of that honest great gift, we should stay eternally possibly subservient to their ways and preachings besides just meekly accepting some subtle form of subjugation to them.

Biggins · 07-06-2010 10:54AM

Pittens wrote: »

What's a Pope's coming squad?

Pee shooters!

Bottle_of_Smoke · 07-06-2010 11:03AM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Pope bad, Queen good
Irish army weak and pathetic, English army good

Just another day on west-brit.ie

Eh . .. where was the Queen, Irish or British Army mentioned?

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Yeah lets all convert to Protestantism, welcome the Queen and join the British Army.

Ok new enlightened religion mentioned, but Protestantism, Queen and BA weren't!

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

LOL, im not the one creating all the threads here about Britain.
Personally, I dont believe in a religion, If I had the power Id ban the all.

Well this one didn't mention Britain, you did however seem to try and take it that way with no real reason.

I'm not denying there's anti-Republicanism from a large percentage of boards posters, but if you can't start a thread about the idiocy of the Vatican without accusations of such, it might suggest the Republican is overreacting. Especially when Republicanism is a secular ideology and many highly esteemed Republicans were Protestants.

Popes Squad Coming To Try Stamp Out Free Thought?

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