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Popes Squad Coming To Try Stamp Out Free Thought?
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heavyballs wrote: »the day i stopped going to church i remember when the congregation stood up to say the Hail Mary i got a feeling like i was in a cult,was really strange,for the first time i got the real feeling that we were being brainwashed
I don't know how I never got that feeling back then, I think it was just because I was young & too focused on the amazing windows in the church & my own thoughts to care.
I never heard a word in that building & was just watching people recite these latin verses they themselves didn't understand (I asked) but never noticed the brainwishiness!
I also consciously exploited the fact that I was young and could play outside the back door of the church
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I don't remember when exactly but it just dawned on me one day "what the hell am I doing listening to this man that has no relationship to me, prattling on about a mystical man and some other ancient woman?"
After that, when I took things into consideration, I came to the conclusion "These robed guys are so far living in the past, is beyond belief that they still think ancient methods from even more ancient manuscripts could still apply in this modern age."
Besides the fact that there is billions and billions of stars/planets/galaxies out there and that one ancient alien/ghost/mystic/whatever just happened to land on ourselves and get nailed to a cross "for our sins" ?
And then there was the continuing "do as I say - not as I do" corruption from a foreign based organisation - that was it. I had enough of it and said good riddance."Gift", my arse. Those are your taxes paying for your, ahem, non-denominational, ahem, schools.
At the end of the day, I don't see this having any effect on Irish society. A religion like this needs ignorance to survive, and Irish people are a lot more clued in these days than back in the 60s. Unless someone with the propaganda skills of Hitler comes along, the fish just ain't goin to bite.
True. They sure got very, very rich alone from the money handed over to them by those under their influence.
What's the church in Ireland alone worth? Billions. In property, land, investments, etc.Buddhism FTW. More of a philosophy than a religion, I know, but technically better than anything Christianity has offered. Despite Jesus himself leading a life that was pretty Buddhist in nature (though he probably never heard of Buddha, I know). Probably gaining in popularity, I would think.
Again true. Buddhism I found to be a more grounded idea about treating all life as precious (although there is a few wacky bits in it too to be honest).0 -
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Buddhism I found to be a more grounded idea about treating all life as precious (although there is a few wacky bits in it too to be honest).
Pch, you'd get that impression from Richard Gere and Lisa Simpson alright
This is definitely another case of the - do as I say, not as I do - variety of religion.
Just look at the amount of war this religion has caused & some of the Dali Lama's lapse's in pacifism, (and what aims they suited).0 -
sponsoredwalk wrote: »Pch, you'd get that impression from Richard Gere and Lisa Simpson alright
This is definitely another case of the - do as I say, not as I do - variety of religion.
Just look at the amount of war this religion has caused & some of the Dali Lama's lapse's in pacifism, (and what aims they suited).
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Possibly, if he listened to them. On the other hand, you'd get a similar impression if actually sat down and studied something.sponsoredwalk wrote: »Pch, you'd get that impression from Richard Gere and Lisa Simpson alrightThis is definitely another case of the - do as I say, not as I do - variety of religion.
HA!
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
Buddha
Ths thing about Buddhism is that no aspects of it are forced or even compulsory. Disagreement is fine. Can't you say the same about the Chrisitan offerings.Just look at the amount of war this religion has caused & some of the Dali Lama's lapse's in pacifism, (and what aims they suited).
"Caused"? You are aware that Tibet was invaded, rather than invading itself?Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.
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Popes coming squad can fiddle off back to Rome. They'll find no unattended children here any more for them.
There are some people outside the Bishops palace on hunger strike living in a tent. They've tied small shoes all along the railings there in front of it to represent the kids the CC abused with impunity.
Why is this never on the news or mentioned anywhere....
Will it make news if they die?0 -
Not really, if you ask me. You must remember that the priests (Of today...) are more than likely devout Christians. They will warm to the idea of trying to bring back their practicing congregation to practicing their faith more fully. Take for example confession, the group coming will more than likely instruct them to try and encourage regular confession. The priest will attempt to encourage his congregation to do so. If they wish to do so, they will do so. If not, then they will not do so. Simple as that really.With the greatest of respect, They are being sent over to tell the already priests here to rein themselves in (and that ok's if the priests want to stay within the org's rules) but those principles will them be extended to the rest of those he preaches to.
And of those methods are extended again into our every day life, the barely visible line between separation of church and state (thus laws too) in this country, will tale two steps back rather than two steps forward again.
The seperation of church and state is well underway in Ireland (At long last
) and I sincerely doubt that any of this could have an effect on non-catholics such as yourself, I and others in this thread.
Sorry if I sounded a bit nasty in that last post but it's just that I really can't stand it when something is spun like that.0 -
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Cheap Thrills! wrote: »Popes coming squad can fiddle off back to Rome. They'll find no unattended children here any more for them.
There are some people outside the Bishops palace on hunger strike living in a tent. They've tied small shoes all along the railings there in front of it to represent the kids the CC abused with impunity.
Why is this never on the news or mentioned anywhere....
Will it make news if they die?
While nobody can condone the physical and sexual abuse of children, why do we not blame the rest of society for allowing it to happen. The state were complicit. The gardai did not do anything and society in general turned a blind eye. Thats 100% inexcusable also.In my opinion any parent or family who turned their children or grandchildren over to these people is equally culpable. The fact that they were more concerned about the opinion of a neighbour than the health, safety and wellbeing of their own family shows how backward they were0 -
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partyatmygaff wrote: »Not really, if you ask me. You must remember that the priests (Of today...) are more than likely devout Christians. They will warm to the idea of trying to bring back their practicing congregation to the practising their faith more fully. Take for example confession, the group coming will more than likely instruct them to try and encourage regular confession. The priest will attempt to encourage his congregation to do so. If they wish to do so, they will do so. If not, then they will not do so. Simple as that really.
The seperation of church and state is well underway in Ireland (At long last) and I sincerely doubt that any of this could have an effect on non-catholics such as yourself, I and others in this thread.
Sorry if I sounded a bit nasty in that lost post but it's just that I really can't stand it when something is spun like that.
No worries.
I'll give you a quick example though of something that happened to the wife last week.
She was dropping off our (5 year old) daughter at an "Educate Together" (a clear non-religion policy school for those that are wondering) and both were waiting in the yards with many others when a woman who's child was ironically going to the same school, started to give out to the rest about how disgraceful it was that the school had no religion classes within school hours and/on the syllabus (there is some optional ones after hours and have to be paid for - €2/3).
She continued to rave (in front of the kids in the yard) about how her priest was saying that the school was a disgrace and that we all should be ashamed - and she said this direct into the face of the wife from a few feet.
Now if that's the type of current thinking amid some, I honestly dread a future prospect of seeing that position even hardening more so by those incoming, that do not want liberal thinking outside their rein, drawn back in.
Those that are still attending and still staunch to the words of a robed man, will do this country no good when then going about their every way daily work and social life.
We need more modern progressive thinking, not backwards steps by this bunch.
(O' and by the way, I - and others - complained to the school about the behaviour of the woman)0 -
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She's a bit ignorant then to be honest. It would have made far more sense for her to send her kids to a religious school if she's that intent on giving her children religion classes. Or she could *gasp* teach her kids religion herself, it's not exactly that difficult to teach (For Primary level children anyway). The people that are like that are in a small minority, most people today religious or not try to keep it as it should be, a private matter. As for your last point (In the main paragraph) why would that be?No worries.
I'll give you a quick example though of something that happened to the wife last week.
She was dropping off our (5 year old) daughter at an "Educate Together" (a clear non-religion policy school for those that are wondering) and both were waiting in the yards with many others when a woman who's child was ironically going to the same school, started to give out to the rest about how disgraceful it was that the school had no religion classes within school hours and/on the syllabus (there is some optional ones after hours and have to be paid for - €2/3).
She continued to rave (in front of the kids in the yard) about how her priest was saying that the school was a disgrace and that we all should be ashamed - and she said this direct into the face of the wife from a few feet.
Now if that's the type of current thinking amid some, I honestly dread a future prospect of seeing that position even hardening more so by those incoming, that do not want liberal thinking outside their rein, drawn back in.
Those that are still attending and still staunch to the words of a robed man, will do this country no good when then going about their every way daily work and social life.
We need more modern progressive thinking, not backwards steps by this bunch.
(O' and by the way, I - and others - complained to the school about the behaviour of the woman)0 -
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