'Inception' Mega Thread *SPOILERS FROM POST 292 ONWARDS*

DrumSteve

don ramo wrote: »

superb film, dunno whats with all the spoiler tags

the ending is interpreted whatever way you want it to be, he set the totem spinning and i assume he would have to use hes thoughts to hold the totem up and keep it spinning, thus indication its a dream if it doesnt fall,

but when he set it spinning at the end he sees the kids and was so happy to finally be standing in the house and seeing his kids he just walked away from the totem, thus breaking his thoughts causeing the totum to fall anyhow,

i honestly cant draw a deffinate conclusion, i would like to think he got home, but at the same time fischer saw him taking his bag noticeing him as the guy who was suppose to be protecting him in his dream, wouldnt he realisitically know immediately he was tricked and do something about it,

the totem fell i know that much

Its so the ending is not ruined for people who have not seen it.

but its okay they dont need to see the film now. Ive taken the liberty of spoiler tagging the quote i used just incase anyone has not seen it.

Renn

Well I really don't get the whole spoiler tag thing in these threads. I'd never go in to a thread about a movie I was going to see - it's going to be spoiled one way or another. If anything, the spoiler tags are bloody annoying to read. They should have a thread where you can discuss it all without worrying about spoiling it for people.

nix

don ramo wrote: »

i honestly cant draw a deffinate conclusion, i would like to think he got home, but at the same time fischer saw him taking his bag noticeing him as the guy who was suppose to be protecting him in his dream, wouldnt he realisitically know immediately he was tricked and do something about it,

the totem fell i know that much

No, he wouldnt recognise him and if he did it would be vague recognition, like a deja vu. When they are in the dream state they are buried deep into his unconscious, the only way to access your unconscious is in a highly relaxed state of mind, your dreams or hypnotism.

So inception is just a fancy pants way of sneakily hypnotizing someone, very well done i have to say and i cant wait to watch it again..

constitutionus

went to see it on friday.

best way i can describe it is "oceans 11 meets the matrix "

i liked it alot and the handling of the multiple timescales was a wondreful bit of direction by nolan

i dont know if it'd be everyones cup of tea, and i wont be going to see it again but its a good film with a great little ensemble cast.

about the only complaint i have is i was bursting to go to the jax by the end but everything was tying up at that stage so had to wait

trustno1

Going to see this again tomorrow night. Travelling up to Dublin, can anyone tell me if this is currently in the Screen 1 of the Savoy?

Will be watching it much more closely the second time around after reading all the comments in this thread!..

Renn

Nope, Screen 2. Well, it was Screen 2 last night anyway.

Rabidlamb

We are told that 5 minutes sleeping time = an hour dreamtime activity, so a x12 multiplier.
This exponentially multiplys everytime you go down a level but I'll keep this simple & stay on level one.

The flight to LA was to be 10 hours real time.
That would correspond to 120 hours on level one dreamtime, so 120/24 = 5 days.

They arrived in the rain thanks to the chemist's dream, got chased, Saito got shot & they holed up in the warehouse for a bit.
They drove out again in the van, got shot at again, went down the slope & ended up going off the bridge.

That can't have taken up more than half a day.
What happened to them during the other 4.5 days ?.
Or does this mistiming of events actually cement the theory that Cobb waking on he plane was his own limbo & not real time ?.

johnny_ultimate

Spoiler tags: if people want to chat without them, I'll gladly add a *contains spoilers* tag to the thread title. Don't particularly want to start another thread though, as I don't think splitting discussion between two threads is very helpful.

Basq

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Spoiler tags: if people want to chat without them, I'll gladly add a *contains spoilers* tag to the thread title.

Yeah.. I'd be all for that!

krudler

Renn wrote: »

It's good but jesus do some people like to go OTT on some of these movies. There's some plotholes in here for sure, along with some annoying characters (Hello Ellen Page), and the director constantly explaining to the audience as to what is going on - it's not confusing in the slightest and he's obviously been told to dumb it down a good bit...you even have Cobb basically explaining EVERYTHING at one point. Also, could do without Michael Caine, even if his role is minimal.

Enjoyed the score, the concept was a little bit meh (Nolan obviously realised half way through writing this that the whole dream/dying thing might not work), CGI was meh at times (just annoying when I know there's a bloody green screen being used) and the snow scene was truly tedious. Overall a 6 or 7.

Its not confusing BECAUSE its explained whats going on, if they didnt explain the rules of inception, the totem, the dream timelines, the different levels and the rules of what you can and cant do within a dream you would have been utterly baffled.

Lillylilly

I went to see this last night and was amazed. I'm not a huge cinema- goer, I don't know the names and styles of producers and directors and generally have too short an attention span to manage long films!

This film was incredible though. I would have liked the opportunity to "pause" the film at times to fully grasp the concepts, as I felt I missed a lot out due to the speed of things, but this obviously didn't matter. I think the film catered for those of us that can't pay 100% attention for a 145min film.

I never look at this forum, but I was interested to see what people thought of Inception. I'm thrilled I did, I feel so much more intrigued now by the unanswered questions. I'll defo go see it again.

Thanks for opening my eyes to all the stuff I missed:)

purple_hatstand

Lillylilly wrote: »

I went to see this last night and was amazed. I'm not a huge cinema- goer, I don't know the names and styles of producers and directors and generally have too short an attention span to manage long films!

This film was incredible though. I would have liked the opportunity to "pause" the film at times to fully grasp the concepts, as I felt I missed a lot out due to the speed of things, but this obviously didn't matter. I think the film catered for those of us that can't pay 100% attention for a 145min film.

I never look at this forum, but I was interested to see what people thought of Inception. I'm thrilled I did, I feel so much more intrigued now by the unanswered questions. I'll defo go see it again.

Thanks for opening my eyes to all the stuff I missed:)

Welcome to the Film Forum!

I saw Inception last night, too and I'd purposely stayed out of this thread for fear of reading too much about it. I'm happy I did and happy also that I saw the film on its opening weekend.

We talked all the way home from the cinema about theories and themes and the ending and loved the concept and visual style and the music and the fact that different interpretations of the film appear to be equally valid.

For me, Nolan's great achievement is making something so potentially complicated into genuine mainstream entertainment.

Can't wait to watch it again!

Earthhorse

Rabidlamb wrote: »

We are told that 5 minutes sleeping time = an hour dreamtime activity, so a x12 multiplier.
This exponentially multiplys everytime you go down a level but I'll keep this simple & stay on level one.

The flight to LA was to be 10 hours real time.
That would correspond to 120 hours on level one dreamtime, so 120/24 = 5 days.

They arrived in the rain thanks to the chemist's dream, got chased, Saito got shot & they holed up in the warehouse for a bit.
They drove out again in the van, got shot at again, went down the slope & ended up going off the bridge.

That can't have taken up more than half a day.
What happened to them during the other 4.5 days ?.
Or does this mistiming of events actually cement the theory that Cobb waking on he plane was his own limbo & not real time ?.

A multiplier of 12 is for regular dreaming, under the heavier sedative they're under the multiplier is 20. None of which really matters to your question because once inside, they realise that Fischer's been trained for this type of event and Saito gets shot, forcing them to speed up the operation, and they don't spend much time in any of the layers (apart from maybe Cobb and Saito in their limbos).

Anakin.S

Rabidlamb wrote: »

We are told that 5 minutes sleeping time = an hour dreamtime activity, so a x12 multiplier.
This exponentially multiplys everytime you go down a level but I'll keep this simple & stay on level one.

The flight to LA was to be 10 hours real time.
That would correspond to 120 hours on level one dreamtime, so 120/24 = 5 days.

They arrived in the rain thanks to the chemist's dream, got chased, Saito got shot & they holed up in the warehouse for a bit.
They drove out again in the van, got shot at again, went down the slope & ended up going off the bridge.

That can't have taken up more than half a day.
What happened to them during the other 4.5 days ?.
Or does this mistiming of events actually cement the theory that Cobb waking on he plane was his own limbo & not real time ?.

Thats what the kick does, it wakes you up out of the dream rather than having to die which wouldn't of worked due to the sedative in the chemicals. if they didn't use the kick they would be in the 3rd level for 10 years

maquiladora

After watching Inception I have two feelings :

1) Must see Inception again, multiple times.

2) Want to live long enough to see every film that Christopher Nolan makes from now on.

S.M.B.

Rabidlamb wrote: »

We are told that 5 minutes sleeping time = an hour dreamtime activity, so a x12 multiplier.
This exponentially multiplys everytime you go down a level but I'll keep this simple & stay on level one.

The flight to LA was to be 10 hours real time.
That would correspond to 120 hours on level one dreamtime, so 120/24 = 5 days.

They arrived in the rain thanks to the chemist's dream, got chased, Saito got shot & they holed up in the warehouse for a bit.
They drove out again in the van, got shot at again, went down the slope & ended up going off the bridge.

That can't have taken up more than half a day.
What happened to them during the other 4.5 days ?.
Or does this mistiming of events actually cement the theory that Cobb waking on he plane was his own limbo & not real time ?.

They were supposed to have 4.5 days but this all changed when they found out Fischer has been trained to defend against a situation like this. There's no reason to assume that they woke up as the plane was landing. They must have woke up half way through the flight and had a nice little chat about what had just happened.

maquiladora

Oh, and....

Did anybody else find the scene where Cobb and Mal 'kill' themselves on the traintracks extremely powerful and vivid? There was just something about that brief shot of the train coming towards them that made me gasp.

Michael 09

I'm a big Leonardo DiCaprio fan and I was extremely disappointed by this movie.

I would recommend it to nobody!

don ramo

Michael 09 wrote: »

I'm a big Leonardo DiCaprio fan and I was extremely disappointed by this movie.

I would recommend it to nobody!

i was actually gone off him after the departed-body of lies and shutter island, i was more of a fan of the beach and catch me if you can, now im back on him, hes was class,

the whole cast was amazing,

Michael 09

Did you not think he was awesome in blood diamond?

I totally agree with Catch me if you can... great movie.

I don't know if Leo was bad in the movie or if there just a lot of things left unclear.

Can anyone tell me why if one person dreams, all the other people are in the dream too?

homerun_homer

I'm a big Christopher Nolan fan since I saw Memento and went & looked up the following. When you say that so far the director's weakest film (Insomnia) is his weakest, yet is a great remake, is a testament to his talent.

I saw this twice over the weekend and enjoyed it even more the second time, taking everything in better. The actors are all suited and likeable in their parts, the effects are amazing, bar one small bit in Paris which looked off, and the story/plot is so dense and well thought out. I can't not mention how stunning Marion Cottilard is in it, she is dreamy herself and seeing how she can switch to a scary, deathly stare in a blink of an eye is great.

I loved that the ending left it open to interpretation. Everyone wants to believe Cobb made it back to his kids and to give us that on a plate would make many happy, but could also lose some people who are sick of happily ever after. Alluding that it was still a dream was a great final touch.

Pace2008

don ramo wrote: »

i was actually gone off him after the departed-body of lies and shutter island, i was more of a fan of the beach and catch me if you can, now im back on him, hes was class,

God, I thought he was an angsty prat in The Beach - in fact, I thought the whole cast was pretty fake and irritating, though it was redeemed somewhat by the imagery and soundtrack.

DiCaprio 2.0 is far better in my opinion; I think he's really upped his game.

Basq

Michael 09 wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why if one person dreams, all the other people are in the dream too?

Oh my...! :eek:

You really need to go back and watch the film!

Michael 09

basquille wrote: »

Oh my...! :eek:

You really need to go back and watch the film!

Can you not just tell me instead?!?

krudler

Michael 09 wrote: »

Can you not just tell me instead?!?

nope, go see it again (it is explained, many,many times in it afterall :pac:)

Michael 09

krudler wrote: »

nope, go see it again (it is explained, many,many times in it afterall :pac:)

4 of us in work have been discussing it today and none of us know so I don't feel too stupid

But somebody please just bloody tell me!!

quad_red

Michael 09 wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why if one person dreams, all the other people are in the dream too?

Assuming that's a genuine (if strange) question, it's the machine they are all wired up to (it's in a silver suitcase).

Michael 09

quad_red wrote: »

Assuming that's a genuine (if strange) question, it's the machine they are all wired up to (it's in a silver suitcase).

It was a genuine question, thanks for the answer...

I said that's how it worked and I was told that I was wrong!!

thanks again

RuggieBear

I enjoyed it as an action movie and some of the imagery is amazing but it is far from flawless.

The Ellen Page character is basically "Basil Exposition" and is there to explain everything and seems to know everything about diCaprio's character almost instantly...found it really really annoying.

The music itself is lovely but its use in the movie is irritating and overwrought and sometimes it is too loud to hear the dialogue (but this might have been a balls up at the particular cinema i watched it at).

It is a good enjoyable movie but i just don't see it as the intellectual/ psychological film experiment that some seem to be...maybe i'm just too cynical or dumb and am feeling anti-hyperbole but it all seemed rather straightforward to me.

Unless I'm missing the point/subplot but I don't really see the need to rewatch it.

maquiladora

RuggieBear wrote: »

it all seemed rather straightforward to me.

Really? A dream within a dream within a dream (perhaps all within yet another dream) where each level is played out concurrently even though each level is running at longer lengths of time than the previous level & barely touches of the overarching 'reality' of the waking world is 'rather straightforward' to you?