Eoin Morgan Test cricketer

TheDrog

was named in the test squad for the match against Bangladesh of Thursday

Cremated

While I still wished he would play for Ireland, you still got to be proud of what he has done, well done Eoin, show them what you can do ,



p.s - sorry for going OT, in theory if Ireland were to get Test status in years to come, could he then come back and play for us, what is the rules of going from full member countries to another full member...

booth70

Cremated wrote: »

While I still wished he would play for Ireland, you still got to be proud of what he has done, well done Eoin, show them what you can do ,



p.s - sorry for going OT, in theory if Ireland were to get Test status in years to come, could he then come back and play for us, what is the rules of going from full member countries to another full member...

My guess is he will have to wait 4 years from when he played his last test for England before he can play a test for Ireland

d'Oracle

I very much doubt he would.

I am delighted with this.
I am very proud. He had to make a big call and I would have hated to see him drop away like Ed Joyce did.

Put simply, this justifies him walking away from Ireland. Next stop Central contract. Good On you Eoin.

Marshy

Should be a nice opener for him, against Bangladesh at his home ground Lords.

djimi

Im genuinely delighted for him. He might be playing for England but I get a real sense of pride watching him do well. We all know what he is capable of, we all know he has all the potential in the world to be a top test batsman, and I really wish him all the best.

booth70

Reading on cricinfo today that he may not play if England decide to play 5 bowlers.

djimi

I cant really see England going with 5 bowlers against Bangladesh tho will they? Seems quite unnecessary to me.

booth70

djimi wrote: »

I cant really see England going with 5 bowlers against Bangladesh tho will they? Seems quite unnecessary to me.

For the Bangers three bowlers is three too many!!;)....but I think England might test out the 5 bowler theory in prep for the Ashes later this year

d'Oracle

Looks like they didn't anyway.

booth70

England are 3/228 after 53 on the first day one of the many pointless one sided test matches that will be played this summer......more to come i.e Eng v Pak , Pak v Aus , WI v SA and if you thought that wasn't enough rubbish yet another SL v Ind series!!

D3PO

Bell's out time for Morgan to make his debut.

Come on morgs unbeaten debut hundred please

Aidric

Close of play on Day 1. Morgan 40 not out. Saw most of his innings and he made some nice strokes, really exciting cricketer to watch.

d'Oracle

What are the sky lads making of it?

booth70

A debut test match hundred for the taking if Morgan wants it.....

Mothman

Didn't get himself in this morning and was out edging one outside off stump.
Added 4 to his overnight score of 40.

Aidric

Al Hasan delivery to get Bell out today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1JZmbO7dYY

d'Oracle

That is a peach.

booth70

Tendulkar dosent talk much but when he does he talks sense:)


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/cricket/3015678/Eoin-Morgan-It-feels-weird-to-get-Tendulkar-praise.html


High praise indeed from one of the best:)

toomevara

Just named player of the ODI series v OZ.

djimi

And rightly so as well! Been Englands best player since the twenty20 world cup at least; should have gotten man of the tournament in that competition as well.

Beasty

Ian Bell has fractured a metatarsal in today's ODI defeat by Bangladesh, and is expected to miss the Test series against Pakistan. That should cement Morgan's position in the team for this series

djimi

If I was Bell Id be quite worried tbh. If Morgan makes that place his own then Bell mightnt see test action for a while. Honestly hes too hit and miss anyway, and England have long since needed to look to bring in a more solid replacement. Morgan could prove to be just the man.

Cremated

I do see Morgan getting his chance now but to say Bell won't get back in is harsh, Bell is a very solid Cricketer, and has only been recently given a chance back in the shorter forms of the game, and the injury is very unlucky,

and from going on a lot of Cricket forums, English Cricket fans seem more unhappy with Cook,

I just don't see either being dropped yet, especially in the longest form of the game...

djimi

Bell is solid only in so far as more often than not he will get to 40 and get out. Im not saying Bell isnt a good cricketer; Ive follow Warwickshire and have watched him for a long time so I know what he can do, but hes not done it consistantly enough at test level. When the chips are down and you need a man to score you big runs in a pressure situation I just dont feel Bell can be relied on to do it. Hes been given chances time and time again and if someone (Morgan or someone else) can come in and show some promise then I think they need to be given a chance.

Rjd2

djimi wrote: »

If I was Bell Id be quite worried tbh. If Morgan makes that place his own then Bell mightnt see test action for a while. Honestly hes too hit and miss anyway, and England have long since needed to look to bring in a more solid replacement. Morgan could prove to be just the man.

Oh I agree, but don't rule them out recalling Ravi though. :eek:

booth70

booth70 wrote: »

Tendulkar dosent talk much but when he does he talks sense:)

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/cricket/3015678/Eoin-Morgan-It-feels-weird-to-get-Tendulkar-praise.html

High praise indeed from one of the best:)

After Tendulkar , its Ponting's turn now to talk up Morgs before the Ashes

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/australia/7960373/Ricky-Ponting-insists-Australia-are-on-the-verge-of-something-special.html

djScarey

I doubt Eoin will be in the squad for this Ashes. For me Australia down there is a step too far currently. A good and well-timed experiment by the England management to date, though. Eoin now knows what standard he needs to reach and which areas of his game and mentality need improvement. I feel it's best he returns to County cricket (as well as trying to retain his T20 and ODI England slots) and makes his mark on the County game with a much better scoring average. He should be armed and ready for the subsequent Ashes.

djimi

I disagree; I think Morgan will be at the very least in the squad for the Ashes. The question is if they dont bring him then who do they bring in his place? Bopara maybe? Morgan has done well since coming into the England team; hes got heads turning with his one day performances and has a test century to his name. I feel if they were not going to bring him to Australia then he probably wouldnt be playing in this series, and instead they would be looking at whoever they are considering instead.

djScarey

You're probably right, djimi, your logic makes good sense. Bopara would not get the nod between the two and Gale, Stevens and Carberry are too late to join the squad.

I still think it's too early, feel Eoin lacks experience in the longer form and Australia away would be the greatest possible challenge to acquire it. It could all go pear-shaped and I'm sure the Aussies have specialist sledging ready. Hope I'm wrong.

djimi

Ordinarily I would agree that its too early to throw him into an Ashes series, but to be honest from watching Eoin come thru with Ireland and now in his time with England I get the distinct impression he is one of those players, not unlike KP, who thrives on the bigger stage and the challenge, and is not short on confidence and self belief. The Aussies will have a go at him for sure, no less than they will for the rest of the England team, but I also get the impression that they respect him as a player.

Its a series that could be the making of Eoin Morgan as a test cricketer if he performs well. I sincerely hope he does; to see an Irishman score a century in an Ashes test down under would be something quite special

booth70

djimi wrote: »

Ordinarily I would agree that its too early to throw him into an Ashes series, but to be honest from watching Eoin come thru with Ireland and now in his time with England I get the distinct impression he is one of those players, not unlike KP, who thrives on the bigger stage and the challenge, and is not short on confidence and self belief. The Aussies will have a go at him for sure, no less than they will for the rest of the England team, but I also get the impression that they respect him as a player.

Its a series that could be the making of Eoin Morgan as a test cricketer if he performs well. I sincerely hope he does; to see an Irishman score a century in an Ashes test down under would be something quite special

Out for a duck today....he's fast turning into a one inning wonder:(

djimi

To be fair the rest of them arent looking a whole lot better; Pietersen appears to have completely forgotten how to bat! I would like to see Eoin score some big runs before the winter tho.

booth70

djimi wrote: »

To be fair the rest of them arent looking a whole lot better; Pietersen appears to have completely forgotten how to bat! I would like to see Eoin score some big runs before the winter tho.

KP , Strauss and Colly are 'unaxable'....If England lose this match it'll probably be Morgs head which will roll first....that'll be some story....from a hundred to a zero all in one series

djimi

Ill be honest, the first name I would currently strike off the team sheet is Kevin Pietersen. He needs to be told to go off and sort out his county situation and go play some cricket and get some runs; hes not going to bash his way back into form in test matchs by the looks of things. Even if it means going to SA or Australia to play state cricket; whatever it takes. He is currently offering nothing and is playing like a moron.

riffmongous

__________1st Test____2nd Test____ 3rd Test____ 4th Test

Strauss___ 45 - 0_____ 25 - 53_____ 15 - 4______ 13

Cook______ 8 - 12 ____ 17 - 4______ 6 - 110______10

Trott_____ 38 - 26____ 55 - 53_____ 12 - 36 _____77*

Pieterson__ 9 - 22_____ 80 - dnb ____ 6 - 23______ 0

Collingwood_ 82 - 1____ 28-dnb_____ 5 - 3_______ 0

Morgan____100 - 17____ 6-dnb _____ 17 - 5_______ 0

Prior _____ 6 - 102 ___ 15-dnb _____ 84 - 5______ 22

Pretty poor viewing, doesn't look good for Morgan and Collingwood

d'Oracle

I would absolutely disagree with you with every facet of my being on Colly and Morgan...

Neither did much worse than Cook or KP really.
ALso both have, with the exception of the second and third test, been in rather strong form. Unlike Cook and KP who haven't been up to much.

Also there is still a match to play now that Broad bagged that ton.

HonalD

Realistically, Eoin needs an injury to be sure of his starting place - he's still good enough to be in the first 13 squad though IMO.

riffmongous

d'Oracle wrote: »

I would absolutely disagree with you with every facet of my being on Colly and Morgan...

Neither did much worse than Cook or KP really.
ALso both have, with the exception of the second and third test, been in rather strong form. Unlike Cook and KP who haven't been up to much.

Also there is still a match to play now that Broad bagged that ton.

On average everyone might have done the same but the fact is KP and Cook managed to get the runs when people started questioning their places on the team. Now you can't start questioning KP's position again while ignoring the fact its been 5 innings since either Morgan or Collingwood got any sort of a score.

And with the way England are batting at the moment I wonder if they'll have to bat again this match.

d'Oracle

riffmongous wrote: »

On average everyone might have done the same but the fact is KP and Cook managed to get the runs when people started questioning their places on the team. Now you can't start questioning KP's position again while ignoring the fact its been 5 innings since either Morgan or Collingwood got any sort of a score.

And with the way England are batting at the moment I wonder if they'll have to bat again this match.

I get what you are saying, but
1) Cook had been WAY longer than 5 innings before people started asking questions.
2) you are pretty much the only person I've seen questioning their positions.

Also Colly will always be in that squad, he has shown up when the chips were down many times and is one of the finest fielder playing the game right now.

I actually agree with that about there probably not being second innings now.

riffmongous

d'Oracle wrote: »

I get what you are saying, but
1) Cook had been WAY longer than 5 innings before people started asking questions.
2) you are pretty much the only person I've seen questioning their positions.

Also Colly will always be in that squad, he has shown up when the chips were down many times and is one of the finest fielder playing the game right now.

I actually agree with that about there probably not being second innings now.

Don't get me wrong, personally I thought Cook should have been gone by now, I think they overlooked his poor run for as long as possible since they seem to be grooming him for the captaincy. And once he scored those runs that was his placed secured for as long as possible.

I think if Bell comes back people are going to have to question Morgan and Collingwoods places and like you said I can't see them getting rid of Collingwood because he brings so much to the team.

Corsendonk

Would be interesting to see if England promote Broad to number 7 so they can play 5 bowlers. I know its only one century but playing 5 bowlers sorts out alot of problems. Prior and Strauss then take too of the positions and I can't see England trying a new opening partnership at this late stage so Cook grabs a spot. Trott should be shoe in too due to his batting in this series. So then you got to decide between KP, Morgan, Collingwood and Bell.

d'Oracle

riffmongous wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, personally I thought Cook should have been gone by now, I think they overlooked his poor run for as long as possible since they seem to be grooming him for the captaincy. And once he scored those runs that was his placed secured for as long as possible.

I think if Bell comes back people are going to have to question Morgan and Collingwoods places and like you said I can't see them getting rid of Collingwood because he brings so much to the team.

Bell reminds me of Cook in that he does half nothing for matches on end then explodes with a knock of pure flair.
Its a good point though cos he is an obvious threat to Morgan.

riffmongous

Corsendonk wrote: »

Would be interesting to see if England promote Broad to number 7 so they can play 5 bowlers.

Broads definitely been maturing as a batsman but I wonder if England would ever feel comfortable with 6 specialist batsmen against Australia?

reb73

A nice write-up on Eoin Morgan by Simon Huges in the Telegraph (linked through Cricinfo Surfer.

It would be a good exposure for him in the Ashes and hope he does well!

wicklowwestie

I've been listing to the recent England Pakistan games over the last few weeks and there has been alot of talk about Morgan being dropped from the test team for their upcoming tour of Sri Lanka. He's after being bowled out again there for 15 in the last 1 day game as well. I was wondering if he is dropped from the test team and England start to see him strictly as a ODI cricketer what is the story with the possibility of him switching back to Ireland. It's not that I want to see the lad fail but I'm being selfish and thinking that if we had a team with Morgan batting for us it would be much better for Ireland obviously. Is it a case that Morgan would have to intentionally stop playing all forms of cricket for england and wait 4 years to play for Ireland again? If so it seems like a mental rule. Do you think that if there was no future for Morgan in the english test team that he could be persuaded to make a decision to come back, he's still only young but 4 years is a long wait?

Cardinal Richelieu

wicklowwestie wrote: »

I've been listing to the recent England Pakistan games over the last few weeks and there has been alot of talk about Morgan being dropped from the test team for their upcoming tour of Sri Lanka. He's after being bowled out again there for 15 in the last 1 day game as well. I was wondering if he is dropped from the test team and England start to see him strictly as a ODI cricketer what is the story with the possibility of him switching back to Ireland. It's not that I want to see the lad fail but I'm being selfish and thinking that if we had a team with Morgan batting for us it would be much better for Ireland obviously. Is it a case that Morgan would have to intentionally stop playing all forms of cricket for england and wait 4 years to play for Ireland again? If so it seems like a mental rule. Do you think that if there was no future for Morgan in the english test team that he could be persuaded to make a decision to come back, he's still only young but 4 years is a long wait?

Lol doubt he will get dropped from all forms, paper never refused ink. They were just talking about Morgan because with his style and the conditions they expected him to be the best batsman against Pakistan. Bell and Pieterson scored less runs in the Test matches than him.

djimi

He has to wait 4 years after the last game he played for England (in any form of the game) in order to qualify for Ireland again, same as Joyce.

I really dont expect Morgan to play for Ireland again for a very long time. His place in the test team is in doubt (his trigger movement and general setup at the crease is appalling for a test cricket batsman) and I think when the likes of Bresnan are fit it will be Morgan who makes way, but he is an excellent ODI batsman and I see him in the ODI team for quite a while yet.

SSK

Have any of the more seasoned cricket watchers/players any opinions about his overly exaggerated "spring" he's been displaying the last couple of weeks.

I know he's always had the crouch taking his guard but lately just as the ball is bowled he drops his knees completely before bouncing back up again to hit the ball. It really is bizarre to watch and goes against all laws of hand-eye coordination and proper cricket technique.

I love watching him play but I don't see any way he succeeds in tests (or for that matter improves his ODI play, which hasn't been fantastic lately) by springing around the place as the ball is bowled. Compare him to someone like Cook who faces every ball so serenely. Surely Flower or Gooch would be working with him on this?

SSK

Have any of the more seasoned cricket watchers/players any opinions about his overly exaggerated "spring" he's been displaying the last couple of weeks.

I know he's always had the crouch taking his guard but lately just as the ball is bowled he drops his knees completely before bouncing back up again to hit the ball. It really is bizarre to watch and goes against all laws of hand-eye coordination and proper cricket technique.

I love watching him play but I don't see any way he succeeds in tests (or for that matter improves his ODI play, which hasn't been fantastic lately) by springing around the place as the ball is bowled. Compare him to someone like Cook who faces every ball so serenely. Surely Flower or Gooch would be working with him on this?

kryogen

Havent noticed a big change in his action tbh.