First abortion ad to air next week

bitemybanger

The Marie Stopes agency will be advertising abortion on Channel 4 next Monday night.

pro-lifers will be up in arms with the Marie Stopes agency defending that "it is important for sexual health"
A huge 76% of UK adults feel the add should be allowed. What do you think?
Pro-life or pro abortion?

mink_man

sure if ya dont want to abort your child then you don't have to.....

If you don't agree with it, don't do it.. Just don't go stopping others.

monkeyfudge

I believe the term is 'pro-choice'

I doubt anyone is particularly pro-abortion.

monkeyfudge

monkeyfudge wrote: »

I believe the term is 'pro-choice'

I doubt anyone is particularly pro-abortion.

Pretty sure this woman is... Bit mad.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/abortion-addict-admits-multiple-abortions-suicide-attempts/story?id=8594347

ibarelycare

OP do you've a link for this story? Is it actually going to be a TV commercial??

I'm pro-choice, but I don't feel entirely comfortable that abortion is being advertised.

Teenage pregancy is a massive problem in the UK and I think a lot of young people see abortion as a form of emergency contraception, like the morning after pill, rather than a big decision that shouldn't be taken lightly.

So, yeah...I don't think it should be advertised tbh.

JPA

Should probably mention in the title that this is in another country OP.

rovert

Jedward are really milking it this time

"Pro- abortion" ?? Lets abort everything in sight !!



Pro-choice all the way.

phasers

Is the ad going to be like "GET AN ABORTION!!!" or will it just be informing people that they have options and they should speak to planned parenthood?

dvpower

Shouldn't the poll be Pro-Ad or Anti-Ad?

The Master

monkeyfudge wrote: »

I believe the term is 'pro-choice'

Poll option changed from pro-abortion to pro-choice

dvpower

phasers wrote: »

Is the ad going to be like "GET AN ABORTION!!!" or will it just be informing people that they have options and they should speak to planned parenthood?

Buy one abortion, get one free.

skelliser

abortions for some,

minature american flags for others!

Orange69

Parents should be allowed to abort a child anytime before its 15th birthday imo.

"Look Timmy, we tried to like you, we really did... but its just not working out.."

Mint Sauce

whislt i dont nessesary agree with abortion, people should be able to decide them selfs

pro choice

phasers

dvpower wrote: »

Buy one abortion, get one free.

Only at Tesco, Every little helps?

Will Graham Norton narrate this one?

krudler

Will it have a snappy catchphrase?

"Abortion:I'm loving it"

or something?

krudler

They should have Barry Scott do it

"Bang! and the foetus is gone!"

FearDark

We've had a pro abortion ad running in this country for at least a year already. Wake up people.

Max Power1

I enjoy life, so that makes me pro life


... but I think we should have a right to choose.

Novella

I'm pro-choice, but I'm pretty sure I'd never have an abortion myself. I just don't think it's okay for me to be able to decide what another woman should or shouldn't be allowed do in the circumstance of an unplanned pregnancy or whatever.

bitemybanger

ibarelycare wrote: »

OP do you've a link for this story? Is it actually going to be a TV commercial??

I'm pro-choice, but I don't feel entirely comfortable that abortion is being advertised.

Teenage pregancy is a massive problem in the UK and I think a lot of young people see abortion as a form of emergency contraception, like the morning after pill, rather than a big decision that shouldn't be taken lightly.

So, yeah...I don't think it should be advertised tbh.

Was reported in The Star today.
I think people should have a choice but in certain cases, not just because someone got silly or "forgot" to take precautions

PK2008

I have a good feeling about this thread...........


........can see a lot of opinions being changed and middle ground being made.

pikachucheeks

Daily Mail article

ibarelycare wrote: »

I don't feel entirely comfortable that abortion is being advertised.

Same as.

I have no issue if the advertisement is going to be advertising the particular organisation (what they do, how to contact them if you need to avail of their help), but if they're going to be pushing the agenda of abortion*, glamourising it, or encouraging people to look at abortion as emergency contraception, then I don't really agree.

* While women should have the right to choose to have an abortion and considering it's legal in the UK, women should know who to contact for help, I think the government in the UK should fund more money towards advertising safe sex, using protection and keeping yourself protected. Abortion shouldn't be undertaken lightly and IMO, shouldn't be regarded as a form of contraception.
A woman has a series of choices alongside abortion should she find herself pregnant against her wishes and those choices should also be advertised and made clear too.

Nodin

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Daily Mail article.

Nein!!!!

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Same as.

I have no issue if the advertisement is going to be advertising the particular organisation (what they do, how to contact them if you need to avail of their help), but if they're going to be pushing the agenda of abortion*, glamourising it, .

...."glamourising"? How? With dancing Foetuses?...Doctors doing a song and dance number with animated suction devices....?

rovert

Can wait until they start sponsoring TV shows. Sex and The City perhaps.

philologos

Deleted User wrote: »

If you don't agree with it, don't do it.. Just don't go stopping others.

One clearly doesn't understand what pro-life is if one is arguing this.

The reason why people oppose abortion (by choice, rather than situations whereby it is a medical necessity) is because it is the taking of another life.

It's not as simple as saying "Don't do it yourself", because it is a life or death issue. If one denies another the right to life, one is denying every single right along with it.

pikachucheeks

Nodin wrote: »

...."glamourising"? How? With dancing Foetuses?...Doctors doing a song and dance number with animated suction devices....?

Oh, nail on the head!

What I meant by "glamourising" was making abortion seem trendy or the "in" thing and in turn trivialising its position as a serious procedure*

I also meant glamourising it in the sense that the potential 'ugly' sides to the surgery are removed. The emotional impacts, the psychological impacts, the (perhaps) years it can take to recover from it etc

You can't advertise abortion in the same way you can advertise the likes of cosmetics or fast food; The function of the ad shouldn't be to make a woman want to buy the product.
The advertisement should instead make the woman aware of abortion as an option in a series of options, should she fall pregnant and give her the facts of how abortion works and what she should expect to happen - I hope that's the way the Marie Stopes organisation will handle it.

* Obviously, some women might not consider it to be a serious procedure, but it's not as simple as going for the likes of a spray tan. There are implications and consequences.

rovert

Probably less painful than waxing tho.

BBDBB

As an Introductory offer do you think it will be

Buy One Get One Free?

Euro_Kraut

I'm anti-life.

rovert

I'm anti-retro

Wolfe Tone

Abortion is the single greatest evil taking place in the World today. To those who say "if you don't want to don't do it" Well how about you apply that to other crimes? Like Murder? Its sickening. I don't know how anyone can condone abortion. And for those who say that an embryo isn't really a baby: To you I say this: you tell that to a couple who have suffered the tragedy of a miscarriage. It is nothing short of murder. It literally sickens me. Pro choice? What a joke. People shouldn't have the power to literally chose to have a baby SHREDDED. Simply pure evil.
Sure I feel sorry for those with unplanned pregnancies or those who have been raped, but that isn't the babies fault. Murder isnt the answer.

rovert

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Abortion is the single greatest evil taking place in the World today. To those who say "if you don't want to don't do it" Well how about you apply that to other crimes? Like Murder? Its sickening. I don't know how anyone can condone abortion. And for those who say that an embryo isn't really a baby: To you I say this: you tell that to a couple who have suffered the tragedy of a miscarriage. It is nothing short of murder. It literally sickens me. Pro choice? What a joke. People shouldn't have the power to literally chose to have a baby SHREDDED. Simply pure evil.
Sure I feel sorry for those with unplanned pregnancies or those who have been raped, but that isn't the babies fault. Murder isnt the answer.

Way not to make a rational argument here.

Lollymcd

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Abortion is the single greatest evil taking place in the World today.

I have to disagree, in my opinion, there are lot of things/people more evil than abortion.

philologos

Lollymcd: It all comes down to what you think abortion is. I personally think 50 million deaths as a result of abortion / termination a year is horrific. It's a barbaric practice that shouldn't have any place in the modern world.

If I am wrong in saying that it is barbaric, how come it wouldn't be deemed appropriate to show a full length abortion to a sex-ed class?

Penny Dreadful

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Abortion is the single greatest evil taking place in the World today. .

Worse than giving birth to a child and standing back while it is abused, beaten, raped and tortured by its mother or father for example, or a teacher, priest, etc?
Worse than beinging into the world a severly handicapped (mentally and physically) child that has zero quality of life and simply exists rather than actually living?
I think not.

Penny Dreadful

Jakkass wrote: »

Lollymcd: It all comes down to what you think abortion is. I personally think 50 million deaths as a result of abortion / termination a year is horrific. It's a barbaric practice that shouldn't have any place in the modern world.

If I am wrong in saying that it is barbaric, how come it wouldn't be deemed appropriate to show a full length abortion to a sex-ed class?

There isn't a single surgery that looks nice e.g. open heart surgery, a gastric by pass, a face lift, lipsuction, neuro surgery.......they all look horrific to the untrained medical eye.
Perhaps if a full video of childbirth, in all its gorey detail, was shown to kids in sex ed class (for what its worth here anyway) then it may make people learn about their bodies and practice safe sex. Perhaps if they saw what syphillis does to someone they'd use condoms, perhaps if they really understood the consequences of chlymadia they'd practice safe sex.

Every woman has the right to decide what happens to her body.

philologos

Penny Dreadful wrote: »

Worse than giving birth to a child and standing back while it is abused, beaten, raped and tortured by its mother or father for example, or a teacher, priest, etc?

Worse than beinging into the world a severly handicapped (mentally and physically) child that has zero quality of life and simply exists rather than actually living?
I think not.

1) How can you know for certain that your child will be abused?
2) Determine what is best for someone else in the case of a disability. Many people are born with disabilities, and still manage to live good lives.
3) Who gives you the authority to put someone else to death before they even experience life for themselves?
4) How do you account for the millions of other cases that do not involve the circumstances that you have just described?

There are too many issues for me to regard abortion-by-choice to be acceptable.

Wolfe Tone

Penny Dreadful wrote: »

Worse than giving birth to a child and standing back while it is abused, beaten, raped and tortured by its mother or father for example, or a teacher, priest, etc?
Worse than beinging into the world a severly handicapped (mentally and physically) child that has zero quality of life and simply exists rather than actually living?
I think not.

I think it is much worse.

Every woman has the right to decide what happens to her body.

Except its not her body is it? The baby isnt. That is flawed idiotic reasoning. A baby isnt some sort of tumor, its a new life. And people should try to protect that child's right to life.

pikachucheeks

pikachucheeks wrote: »

Obviously, some women might not consider it to be a serious procedure, but it's not as simple as going for the likes of a spray tan.

Pika, you know I love you dear, but that made me LOL

Infact, it's going in my sic.

:pac:




and for the record, ditto to everything else you said

philologos

Penny Dreadful wrote: »

Every woman has the right to decide what happens to her body.

In this situation it is not just her body. That's the issue.

The right to life is crucial, to ensure all other rights. The issue is that there are two sets of rights in conflict here, the right to life, and the right of the mother not to desire a child.

Personally, it would take a lot to supersede denying someone elses right to life, choosing if they live or die for me. I've been given the privilege of life (thank God), and I don't know really why I deserve it more than any of those children who have been terminated.

The abortion rate could certainly be cut to a great degree if people were more careful, wouldn't you agree?

fontanalis

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Abortion is the single greatest evil taking place in the World today. To those who say "if you don't want to don't do it" Well how about you apply that to other crimes? Like Murder? Its sickening. I don't know how anyone can condone abortion. And for those who say that an embryo isn't really a baby: To you I say this: you tell that to a couple who have suffered the tragedy of a miscarriage. It is nothing short of murder. It literally sickens me. Pro choice? What a joke. People shouldn't have the power to literally chose to have a baby SHREDDED. Simply pure evil.
Sure I feel sorry for those with unplanned pregnancies or those who have been raped, but that isn't the babies fault. Murder isnt the answer.

You're right god does it all the time.

rovert

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I think it is much worse.

Convincing and considered

pikachucheeks

Deleted User wrote: »

Pika, you know I love you dear, but that made me LOL

Infact, it's going in my sic.

:pac:

and for the record, ditto to everything else you said

It was supposed to be a bit tongue in cheek, don't worry!

silly cow :pac:

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Not a fan of abortion myself, but in some cases it should be alowed. It should not be used by irresonsible people as a "Shít, I can't go to playa d'Ingles in the summer if i'm preggers", lets not use abortion as a birth control. Special cases such as rape and where the child will not have a good standard of life (severe disability) then it should be considered.

Poll is flawed, as you have no middle ground.

Lollymcd

Jakkass wrote: »

1) How can you know for certain that your child will be abused?
2) Determine what is best for someone else in the case of a disability. Many people are born with disabilities, and still manage to live good lives.
3) Who gives you the authority to put someone else to death before they even experience life for themselves?
4) How do you account for the millions of other cases that do not involve the circumstances that you have just described?

There are too many issues for me to regard abortion-by-choice to be acceptable.

How can you know every womans thoughts, minds, experience or life? How can you determine what is best for her? What gives you the authority to make choices for other people? How do you account for all those who have committed suicide as a result of a pregnancy they can't cope with? This is the problem with prochoice v prolife debate, who do you decide has more rights?

fontanalis

Penny Dreadful wrote: »

There isn't a single surgery that looks nice e.g. open heart surgery, a gastric by pass, a face lift, lipsuction, neuro surgery.......they all look horrific to the untrained medical eye.
Perhaps if a full video of childbirth, in all its gorey detail, was shown to kids in sex ed class (for what its worth here anyway) then it may make people learn about their bodies and practice safe sex. Perhaps if they saw what syphillis does to someone they'd use condoms, perhaps if they really understood the consequences of chlymadia they'd practice safe sex.

Every woman has the right to decide what happens to her body.

The baby isn't just the womens, why doesn't the father have a say all the time? I think abortion is justified under certain conditions but as a form of birth control it's disgusting.
What if a woman is talked out of an abortion and the baby is gay? Will the religious fundies still love it?

philologos

Lollymcd wrote: »

How can you know every womans thoughts, minds, experience or life? How can you determine what is best for her? What gives you the authority to make choices for other people? How do you account for all those who have committed suicide as a result of a pregnancy they can't cope with? This is the problem with prochoice v prolife debate, who do you decide has more rights?

Knowing thoughts isn't what I claim to do. I wouldn't dare to say that it is an easy decision to carry out an abortion either. I also don't dare to say that it isn't difficult, and that suicides don't result from pregnancy without the correct guidance and help through it. I don't claim to know a lot of things.

I think that we do have a responsibility both to protect the rights of the child, and as far as is practicable the rights of the mother in ensuring adequate services, and access to adoption agencies should one require it.

I just don't think that advocating the death of innocent people is right. I believe that all life should be taken seriously. By all life, I mean all life, that of the mother and of the child.

The pro-life position, defends all life, and considers both the rights of the child and the mother. The pro-choice situation ignores the rights of the child, automatically favouring those of the mother. This is what I find to be lacking in the pro-choice position, particularly in dealing with something as serious as life and death.

Wolfe Tone

I just want to say that I am sickened and very disappointed by the current status of the poll. As it stands 82 people would like to see people given the opportunity to choose to murder(in a horrible barbaric way)an innocent child. One of the things I am most proud about Ireland is that Abortion is illegal here. Long may that continue.

I'm heartened by Jackass' posts. Very well argued.