KGB officer: "I cremated Hitler in 1970"

OutlawPete

Ex-KGB officer has claimed that he and a few others cremated Hitler's remains and scattered his ashes at an unnamed spot.

AN ex-KGB officer claimed last night that he had cremated the bones of Adolf Hitler.

But Russian Vladimir Gumenyuk, 73, refused to say where the tyrant's ashes were scattered.

He fears it could become a place for neo-Nazi pilgrimages.

The secret agent is said to be the last man alive from a team of three sent in 1970 to dig up the bones of Hitler, his mistress Eva Braun and the remains of Joseph Goebbels and his family.

He said: "We were ordered to burn the remains of Hitler and all his entourage, and blow them to the wind."

He said that having dug them up near Magdeburg, in former East Germany, they burnt the bones and drove to the top of a cliff on a small unnamed stream - where they scattered the ashes.

It was at a location decided by Moscow authorities. Gumenyuk, who said the team posed as fishermen, said: "No one was there - 20 seconds and the job was done. It was just the last flight of the Fuhrer."

He said he had turned down large sums to identify the exact spot he disposed of Hitler.

Gumenyuk told a Russian newspaper: "There are still too many neo-Nazis. There would be pilgrimages. They'd even put up a monument."

Source

Do you believe him?

Seems a bit of a yarn to me.

If he is telling the truth though, do you think he is right not to reveal the spot where the ashes were scattered?

Biggins

Yes, there was a recent research project done by the BBC where they were allowed for absolute once able to take a DNA sample of what was supposed to be Hitler's skull - and it fact it turned out to be a womans skull.
In the BBC documentary, they too came upon evidence that the body was quietly cremated and buried in an unmarked grave. They even showed the supposed general site area.

m@cc@

OutlawPete wrote: »

If he is telling the truth though, do you think he is right not to reveal the spot where the ashes were scattered?

Yeah, I think he's reich. I wouldn't be Russian for answers to the location.

starbelgrade

I kinda believed it, until I saw the source was The Sun.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Definately right not to reveal the location, last thing we want is a shrine to a man who created so much devistation, destruction and death in so many different lands.

Many many people were effected directly or indirectly by hitler. Keep him hidden, don't make his location into a shrine.

As for believing the KGB guy... I dunno, it's a risky thing for him to claim is it not?

mikom

Biggins wrote: »

what was supposed to be Hitler's skull - and it fact it turned out to be a womans skull.

Unbelievable .... a cunt to the very end.

Biggins

Here is the BBC report: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281839.stm

A bone fragment believed to be part of Adolf Hitler's skull has been revealed as being that of an unidentified woman, US scientists have said.
The section of bone - marked with a bullet hole - was used to support the theory that Hitler shot himself.
Russian scientists said the skull piece was found alongside Hitler's jawbone and had put it on display in Moscow.
But US scientists said DNA tests revealed it actually belonged to a woman aged between 20 and 40.
An archaeologist from the University of Connecticut travelled to Moscow, where the fragment has been on show in the city's federal archive since 2000, to take a sample.

Cyanide pill

Nick Bellantoni said he had suspected even before the bone was tested that the fragment did not come from an adult male.
"The bone was very small and thin, and normally male bones are much more robust in our species," he said.
"I thought it probably came from a woman or a younger man."
DNA tests confirmed that the bone fragment came from a female.
Doubts about exactly how Hitler died have persisted for decades.

Russian officials said that the bodies of Hitler and Eva Braun - who reportedly committed suicide in a Berlin bunker in 1945 - were removed from a shell crater shortly after they died.
The piece of skull forms part of a collection that also includes a section of a bloodstained sofa where Hitler is believed to have shot himself after swallowing a cyanide pill.

Longer Guardian Newspaper report: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/27/adolf-hitler-suicide-skull-fragment

Onesimus

who cares? the war is won and peace is restored. Couldnt give a **** to be honest.

Biggins

Onesimus wrote: »

who cares? the war is won and peace is restored. Couldn't give a **** to be honest.

Obviously you could if you bothered to come in and read and then post a further comment.
...Is that not called "irony?" or being "hypocritical!"

OutlawPete

As far as I can tell over the years on After Hours, most newspapers are frowned upon.

Daily Mail
The Sun
The Mirror
The Guardian
The Independent
The Herald
Sunday World
News Of The World .. etc etc

Seems to me that most newspapers these days are in the business of sensationalizing stories and rarely present the bare facts to the reader, as indeed they should.

So I tend to keep my hate for specific journalists like Paul Williams, Richard Littlejohn, Jan Moir etc, rather than just direct hatred and skepticism at an entire Newspaper like The Sun.

Although, I can understand Liverpool fans doing so.

Onesimus

Biggins wrote: »

Obviously you could if you bothered to come in and read and then post a further comment.
...Is that not called "irony?" or being "hypocritical!"

I did read the post and as far as I'm concerned he has been dealt with, so why the big HOO HA about it all?

starbelgrade

Hitler was a scumbag.

In before the posse!

Biggins

Onesimus wrote: »

I did read the post and as far as I'm concerned he has been dealt with, so why the big HOO HA about it all?

No big "Hoo ha" - its a fellow posters posting, comment and its historic.
Some of us like this stuff ya know.

starbelgrade

OutlawPete wrote: »

As far as I can tell over the years on After Hours, most newspapers are frowned upon.

Daily Mail
The Sun
The Mirror
The Guardian
The Independent
The Herald
Sunday World
News Of The World .. etc etc

.

It's ironic that these are the most frowned upon newspapers in AH when the reaction to a lot of threads from a lot of posters would be akin to the kind of vitriol that these papers produce.

Onesimus

Biggins wrote: »

No big "Hoo ha" - its a fellow posters posting, comment and its historic.
Some of us like this stuff ya know.

If you like hearing about this monstrous ass**** then thats your thing, I dont like discussing things that are dead and buried, especially numbjockeys like hitler.

Each to their own I suppose.

K-9

OutlawPete wrote: »

Although, I can understand Liverpool fans doing so.

Indeed.

Considering how good the KGB was at disinfo eh, I'd dismiss his story.

Biggins

Onesimus wrote: »

If you like hearing about this monstrous ass**** then thats your thing, I dont like discussing things that are dead and buried, especially numbjockeys like hitler....

...but aren't you just doing that!
I'm confused. I'm old.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Onesimus wrote: »

If you like hearing about this monstrous ass**** then thats your thing, I dont like discussing things that are dead and buried, especially numbjockeys like hitler.

Each to their own I suppose.

The point is that if the place where hitlers ashes were supposedly thrown is found out by the neo nazi headers, then that place could become a shrine and they would have something to worship, which is not a good thing.

mikom

Onesimus wrote: »

I dont like discussing things that are dead and buried

What do you like discussing so........... considering your username is that of a biblical figure.

Onesimus

Biggins wrote: »

...but aren't you just doing that!
I'm confused. I'm old.

I meant discussing this topic along the lines of the OP, so carry on talking **** if you will

Onesimus

Cory Large Gypsy wrote: »

The point is that if the place where hitlers ashes were supposedly thrown is found out by the neo nazi headers, then that place could become a shrine and they would have something to worship, which is not a good thing.

oh yeah so they could worship something that is gone with the wind :rolleyes:

starbelgrade

Onesimus wrote: »

If you like hearing about this monstrous ass**** then thats your thing, I dont like discussing things that are dead and buried, especially numbjockeys like hitler.

Each to their own I suppose.

Yep. Let's not discuss history. In fact, let's burn the history books.... Oh hang on, wait a minute - isn't there a reason why we shouldn't burn books? I'd check the history books to see if there were any precendents, but I've just burned them.

Oh well.

Biggins

Onesimus wrote: »

I meant discussing this topic along the lines of the OP, so carry on talking **** if you will

Opps..

Onesimus

mikom wrote: »

What do you like discussing so........... considering your username is that of a biblical figure.

it is??:eek:

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Onesimus wrote: »

oh yeah so they could worship something that is gone with the wind :rolleyes:

You don't get it, that's ok, I did try to explain it to you, but have to tried to understand the significance of this is or did you just dismiss it immediately?

OutlawPete

Onesimus wrote: »

I did read the post and as far as I'm concerned he has been dealt with, so why the big HOO HA about it all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV4v-3i5pPU

Onesimus

Cory Large Gypsy wrote: »

You don't get it, that's ok, I did try to explain it to you, but have to tried to understand the significance of this is or did you just dismiss it immediately?

whats the significance of it then?

mikom

mikom wrote: »

What do you like discussing so........... considering your username is that of a biblical figure.

Onesimus wrote: »

it is??:eek:

The boot of "history" has just hit you squarely in the crease of your sack.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Onesimus wrote: »

whats the significance of it then?

I just explained it to you... You even quoted my post.

Onesimus

Cory Large Gypsy wrote: »

I just explained it to you... You even quoted my post.

you did?

Degag

I wast about to post about how his penis was removed after death and sold. Then i realised that was Napoleon.

/ Random Disturbing Thoughts

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Onesimus wrote: »

you did?

Yes, I did... post 21 I believe? Shrines, worshiping, etc etc...

The_B_Man

So he died in 1945 in Germania, and in 1970 they dug his bones up and cremated them?
Why did it take that long? Also, how come the KGB could just waltz in and dig him up?

starbelgrade

The_B_Man wrote: »

So he died in 1945 in Germania, and in 1970 they dug his bones up and cremated them?
Why did it take that long? Also, how come the KGB could just waltz in and dig him up?

Yeah, everyone knows that the KGB don't waltz in anywhere. They always troika.

Bob Z

starbelgrade wrote: »

Hitler was a scumbag.

In before the posse!

Duuh..

Bob Z

Degag wrote: »

I wast about to post about how his penis was removed after death and sold. Then i realised that was Napoleon.

/ Random Disturbing Thoughts

Another dick

Dravokivich

Cory Large Gypsy wrote: »

Definately right not to reveal the location, last thing we want is a shrine to a man who created so much devistation, destruction and death in so many different lands.

*Chough* Jerusalem *Chough*

although the devistation, destruction and death and such was caused by fighting for ownership of it... but yeah...

Irish Halo

The_B_Man wrote: »

Also, how come the KGB could just waltz in and dig him up?

Hitler's Bunker was situated in what was to become East Berlin and therefore controlled by the Soviets so the KGB could do what they liked it was in their jurisdiction.

Also is this thread immune to Godwin's law as Hitler actually was a Nazi?

Gigiwagga

Hitler was a woman!!! Chough, chough, well that beats Bannagher.

Cookie_Monster

He lying, everyone knows Hitler moved to Argentina after the war. Sure he even stared in a Simpsons episode for the crack.

"ein auto phone is ein nuisance phone"

baalthor

I heard about the cremation years ago ... I thought it was common knowledge.

But in reality the Fuhrer escaped to Paraguay where he began the process of creating a new master race and Fourth Reich! And he also took up chinchilla farming.

aDeener

Dravokivich wrote: »

*Chough* Jerusalem *Chough*

although the devistation, destruction and death and such was caused by fighting for ownership of it... but yeah...

but yeah what?

you put forward a point and then contradict it straight away....

was there really much point putting it forward in the first place?

orourkeda

Why didnt he cremate Hitler in 1930.

Its easy to be wise after the event

Wreck

Wasn't there rumours of this being the case a few years back? If true, he's definitely right not to reveal the location imo.

OutlawPete wrote: »

As far as I can tell over the years on After Hours, most newspapers are frowned upon.

Daily Mail
The Sun
The Mirror
The Guardian
The Independent
The Herald
Sunday World
News Of The World .. etc etc

Seems to me that most newspapers these days are in the business of sensationalizing stories and rarely present the bare facts to the reader, as indeed they should.

So I tend to keep my hate for specific journalists like Paul Williams, Richard Littlejohn, Jan Moir etc, rather than just direct hatred and skepticism at an entire Newspaper like The Sun.

Although, I can understand Liverpool fans doing so.

Seriously, the Daily Mail is the worst by a long shot, the crap they print and the slant in every story is actually unbelivable. The rest of them can be hit and miss, but I've never had a problem with anything from the Guardian.

OutlawPete

Wreck wrote: »

Seriously, the Daily Mail is the worst by a long shot, the crap they print and the slant in every story is actually unbelivable. The rest of them can be hit and miss, but I've never had a problem with anything from the Guardian.

That's why it's top of the list

Dravokivich

aDeener wrote: »

but yeah what?

the town is practically a shrine used as worship to a guy, the guy wasn't known for killing off a load of people and dragging alot of countries into a war, but it was done in his name for that shrine... is what I meant by "but yeah..."

I wasn't arguing a point and Iamxavier seemed to recognise that... so I'm not going to carry on trying to argue a point I wasn't trying to make...

Renn

Cory Large Gypsy wrote: »

last thing we want is a shrine to a man who created so much devistation, destruction and death in so many different lands.

Mother Russia says hello!

Dravokivich

Iraq says bye...

http://www.csudh.edu/dearhabermas/saddamimg05.jpg

Renn

Woah. In terms of deaths it's pretty much like this:

Stalin >>> Hitler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saddam

tbh.

me_right_one

Was there not a documentary on discovery that verified this fellas story? Did they not find his teeth?

Cookie_Monster

Cory Large Gypsy wrote:

last thing we want is a shrine to a man who created so much devistation, destruction and death in so many different lands.

plenty of shrines to jesus, Stalin, Lenin, Mao etc. should these all be pulled down too?