KGB officer: "I cremated Hitler in 1970"

OutlawPete · 06-05-2010 02:19AM #1

Ex-KGB officer has claimed that he and a few others cremated Hitler's remains and scattered his ashes at an unnamed spot.

AN ex-KGB officer claimed last night that he had cremated the bones of Adolf Hitler.

But Russian Vladimir Gumenyuk, 73, refused to say where the tyrant's ashes were scattered.

He fears it could become a place for neo-Nazi pilgrimages.

The secret agent is said to be the last man alive from a team of three sent in 1970 to dig up the bones of Hitler, his mistress Eva Braun and the remains of Joseph Goebbels and his family.

He said: "We were ordered to burn the remains of Hitler and all his entourage, and blow them to the wind."

He said that having dug them up near Magdeburg, in former East Germany, they burnt the bones and drove to the top of a cliff on a small unnamed stream - where they scattered the ashes.

It was at a location decided by Moscow authorities. Gumenyuk, who said the team posed as fishermen, said: "No one was there - 20 seconds and the job was done. It was just the last flight of the Fuhrer."

He said he had turned down large sums to identify the exact spot he disposed of Hitler.

Gumenyuk told a Russian newspaper: "There are still too many neo-Nazis. There would be pilgrimages. They'd even put up a monument."

Source

Do you believe him?

Seems a bit of a yarn to me.

If he is telling the truth though, do you think he is right not to reveal the spot where the ashes were scattered?

Biggins · 06-05-2010 02:24AM

Yes, there was a recent research project done by the BBC where they were allowed for absolute once able to take a DNA sample of what was supposed to be Hitler's skull - and it fact it turned out to be a womans skull.
In the BBC documentary, they too came upon evidence that the body was quietly cremated and buried in an unmarked grave. They even showed the supposed general site area.

m@cc@ · 06-05-2010 02:25AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

If he is telling the truth though, do you think he is right not to reveal the spot where the ashes were scattered?

Yeah, I think he's reich. I wouldn't be Russian for answers to the location.

starbelgrade · 06-05-2010 02:25AM

I kinda believed it, until I saw the source was The Sun.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 06-05-2010 02:26AM

Definately right not to reveal the location, last thing we want is a shrine to a man who created so much devistation, destruction and death in so many different lands.

Many many people were effected directly or indirectly by hitler. Keep him hidden, don't make his location into a shrine.

As for believing the KGB guy... I dunno, it's a risky thing for him to claim is it not?

mikom · 06-05-2010 02:27AM

Biggins wrote: »

what was supposed to be Hitler's skull - and it fact it turned out to be a womans skull.

Unbelievable .... a cunt to the very end.

Biggins · 06-05-2010 02:29AM

Here is the BBC report: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8281839.stm

A bone fragment believed to be part of Adolf Hitler's skull has been revealed as being that of an unidentified woman, US scientists have said.
The section of bone - marked with a bullet hole - was used to support the theory that Hitler shot himself.
Russian scientists said the skull piece was found alongside Hitler's jawbone and had put it on display in Moscow.
But US scientists said DNA tests revealed it actually belonged to a woman aged between 20 and 40.
An archaeologist from the University of Connecticut travelled to Moscow, where the fragment has been on show in the city's federal archive since 2000, to take a sample.

Cyanide pill

Nick Bellantoni said he had suspected even before the bone was tested that the fragment did not come from an adult male.
"The bone was very small and thin, and normally male bones are much more robust in our species," he said.
"I thought it probably came from a woman or a younger man."
DNA tests confirmed that the bone fragment came from a female.
Doubts about exactly how Hitler died have persisted for decades.

Russian officials said that the bodies of Hitler and Eva Braun - who reportedly committed suicide in a Berlin bunker in 1945 - were removed from a shell crater shortly after they died.
The piece of skull forms part of a collection that also includes a section of a bloodstained sofa where Hitler is believed to have shot himself after swallowing a cyanide pill.

Longer Guardian Newspaper report: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/27/adolf-hitler-suicide-skull-fragment

Onesimus · 06-05-2010 02:32AM

who cares? the war is won and peace is restored. Couldnt give a **** to be honest.

Biggins · 06-05-2010 02:33AM

Onesimus wrote: »

who cares? the war is won and peace is restored. Couldn't give a **** to be honest.

Obviously you could if you bothered to come in and read and then post a further comment.
...Is that not called "irony?" or being "hypocritical!"

OutlawPete · 06-05-2010 02:36AM

As far as I can tell over the years on After Hours, most newspapers are frowned upon.

Daily Mail
The Sun
The Mirror
The Guardian
The Independent
The Herald
Sunday World
News Of The World .. etc etc

Seems to me that most newspapers these days are in the business of sensationalizing stories and rarely present the bare facts to the reader, as indeed they should.

So I tend to keep my hate for specific journalists like Paul Williams, Richard Littlejohn, Jan Moir etc, rather than just direct hatred and skepticism at an entire Newspaper like The Sun.

Although, I can understand Liverpool fans doing so.

Onesimus · 06-05-2010 02:37AM

Biggins wrote: »

Obviously you could if you bothered to come in and read and then post a further comment.
...Is that not called "irony?" or being "hypocritical!"

I did read the post and as far as I'm concerned he has been dealt with, so why the big HOO HA about it all?

starbelgrade · 06-05-2010 02:37AM

Hitler was a scumbag.

In before the posse!

Biggins · 06-05-2010 02:39AM

Onesimus wrote: »

I did read the post and as far as I'm concerned he has been dealt with, so why the big HOO HA about it all?

No big "Hoo ha" - its a fellow posters posting, comment and its historic.
Some of us like this stuff ya know.

starbelgrade · 06-05-2010 02:39AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

As far as I can tell over the years on After Hours, most newspapers are frowned upon.

Daily Mail
The Sun
The Mirror
The Guardian
The Independent
The Herald
Sunday World
News Of The World .. etc etc

.

It's ironic that these are the most frowned upon newspapers in AH when the reaction to a lot of threads from a lot of posters would be akin to the kind of vitriol that these papers produce.

Onesimus · 06-05-2010 02:41AM

Biggins wrote: »

No big "Hoo ha" - its a fellow posters posting, comment and its historic.
Some of us like this stuff ya know.

If you like hearing about this monstrous ass**** then thats your thing, I dont like discussing things that are dead and buried, especially numbjockeys like hitler.

Each to their own I suppose.

K-9 · 06-05-2010 02:43AM

OutlawPete wrote: »

Although, I can understand Liverpool fans doing so.

Indeed.

Considering how good the KGB was at disinfo eh, I'd dismiss his story.

Biggins · 06-05-2010 02:43AM

Onesimus wrote: »

If you like hearing about this monstrous ass**** then thats your thing, I dont like discussing things that are dead and buried, especially numbjockeys like hitler....

...but aren't you just doing that!

I'm confused. I'm old.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 06-05-2010 02:44AM

Onesimus wrote: »

If you like hearing about this monstrous ass**** then thats your thing, I dont like discussing things that are dead and buried, especially numbjockeys like hitler.

Each to their own I suppose.

The point is that if the place where hitlers ashes were supposedly thrown is found out by the neo nazi headers, then that place could become a shrine and they would have something to worship, which is not a good thing.

mikom · 06-05-2010 02:45AM

Onesimus wrote: »

I dont like discussing things that are dead and buried

What do you like discussing so........... considering your username is that of a biblical figure.

Onesimus · 06-05-2010 02:46AM

Biggins wrote: »

...but aren't you just doing that!
I'm confused. I'm old.

I meant discussing this topic along the lines of the OP, so carry on talking **** if you will

Onesimus · 06-05-2010 02:47AM

Cory Large Gypsy wrote: »

The point is that if the place where hitlers ashes were supposedly thrown is found out by the neo nazi headers, then that place could become a shrine and they would have something to worship, which is not a good thing.

oh yeah so they could worship something that is gone with the wind :rolleyes:

starbelgrade · 06-05-2010 02:48AM

Onesimus wrote: »

If you like hearing about this monstrous ass**** then thats your thing, I dont like discussing things that are dead and buried, especially numbjockeys like hitler.

Each to their own I suppose.

Yep. Let's not discuss history. In fact, let's burn the history books.... Oh hang on, wait a minute - isn't there a reason why we shouldn't burn books? I'd check the history books to see if there were any precendents, but I've just burned them.

Oh well.

Biggins · 06-05-2010 02:48AM

Onesimus wrote: »

I meant discussing this topic along the lines of the OP, so carry on talking **** if you will

Opps..

Onesimus · 06-05-2010 02:48AM

mikom wrote: »

What do you like discussing so........... considering your username is that of a biblical figure.

it is??:eek:

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 06-05-2010 02:49AM

Onesimus wrote: »

oh yeah so they could worship something that is gone with the wind :rolleyes:

You don't get it, that's ok, I did try to explain it to you, but have to tried to understand the significance of this is or did you just dismiss it immediately?

OutlawPete · 06-05-2010 02:50AM

Onesimus wrote: »

I did read the post and as far as I'm concerned he has been dealt with, so why the big HOO HA about it all?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV4v-3i5pPU

Onesimus · 06-05-2010 02:50AM

Cory Large Gypsy wrote: »

You don't get it, that's ok, I did try to explain it to you, but have to tried to understand the significance of this is or did you just dismiss it immediately?

whats the significance of it then?

mikom · 06-05-2010 02:50AM

mikom wrote: »

What do you like discussing so........... considering your username is that of a biblical figure.

Onesimus wrote: »

it is??:eek:

The boot of "history" has just hit you squarely in the crease of your sack.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 06-05-2010 02:50AM

Onesimus wrote: »

whats the significance of it then?

I just explained it to you... You even quoted my post.

Onesimus · 06-05-2010 02:53AM

Cory Large Gypsy wrote: »

I just explained it to you... You even quoted my post.

you did?

Degag · 06-05-2010 02:53AM

I wast about to post about how his penis was removed after death and sold. Then i realised that was Napoleon.

/ Random Disturbing Thoughts

KGB officer: "I cremated Hitler in 1970"

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