The homeless beggars

Sykk

I have never given money to any homeless person no matter how much they beg.. Still, I can't help but feel sorry for alot of them.. I saw one thing that really pissed me off the other day..

Ya know the ones that sit in between banklinks? (For the love of God do they think you're gonna throw 'em a few fifties?) There was a foreign girl sitting there with her cup and I saw a guy give her some money.. Literally 1 min later, a different girl went up to her, took the cup off her, and swapped places.. They spoke in polish or something then the first girl that was there walked off... Ugh

How do you know which ones are really homeless?

I don't think I could bare giving one of these **** money.. But there are always those that won't just drink/inject it..

Do you give money to the homeless? How do you determine who?

Cookie_Monster

Sykk wrote: »

Do you give money to the homeless?

no

Sykk wrote: »

How do you determine who?

see above

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

One break every three hours - union rules.

minidazzler

Thread title fail, thread placement fail.

Beggars in Dublin, go to Dublin forum.

That said, you just have to trust they need the money TBH. If you don't then don't give any.,

admiralofthefleet

no

ScumLord

Sykk wrote: »

I have never given money to any homeless person no matter how much they beg.. Still, I can't help but feel sorry for alot of them.. I saw one thing that really pissed me off the other day..

Ya know the ones that sit in between banklinks? (For the love of God do they think you're gonna throw 'em a few fifties?) There was a foreign girl sitting there with her cup and I saw a guy give her some money.. Literally 1 min later, a different girl went up to her, took the cup off her, and swapped places.. They spoke in polish or something then the first girl that was there walked off... Ugh

How do you know which ones are really homeless?

I don't think I could bare giving one of these **** money.. But there are always those that won't just drink/inject it..

Do you give money to the homeless? How do you determine who?

I don't see what your getting at? They could be family or friends taking turns at the most lucrative place to beg. If there wasn't some system or agreement between the homeless there would be people fighting over the spots but that probably does happen too.

biko

I took the liberty to nationalise your title there OP so we can discuss other places than Dublin...

As for Galway, no I don't give anything. I'd rather give to Simon or another organisation that provides food and shelter for the Irish homeless rather than giving to some poor Roma woman trafficked here to beg for her "masters".
But that's me.

mikom

Sykk wrote: »

How do you know which ones are really homeless? How do you determine who?

Start telling them a joke.

Go... "Knock, knock."

No reply....yep their homeless.

admiralofthefleet

biko wrote: »

I took the liberty to nationalise your title there OP so we can discuss other places than Dublin...

As for Galway, no I don't give anything. I'd rather give to Simon or another organisation that provides food and shelter for the Irish homeless rather than giving to some poor Roma woman trafficked here to beg for her "masters".
But that's me.

i have done that in the past

xzanti

Ah I'd usually give something to the old crusties if I have it, even though I know they'll probably drink it sure feck it..

Junkies no I won't give to, Romas noway.. skangers in newish looking nikeys and freshly cut hair? gimme a break..

Jaxxy

I agree it is hard to tell which ones are more deserving than others, and in reality we have no way of knowing.

I don't give money to the ones that beg beside the ATM machines. That really annoys me to be honest. You're in a very vulnerable position when you're taking cash out and it can be intimidating if someone is sitting right beside it, staring at you as though its expected you'll give them money just because you obviously have some, otherwise you wouldn't be using the ATM.

I once had a conversation with a young Dublin girl outside one of the shops on Westmoreland St. one night. I had a few drinks in me so I ended up giving her all of my coinage. I got chatting to her while I was waiting for my Nitelink and she ended up telling me that she wished I hadn't given her any money at all. She told me she doesn't get to keep any of it. When I asked her who got the money she clammed up. Made me feel sad.

Then there was another homeless guy I gave money to outside of a club. He was wandering around playing trad tunes on a tin whistle and I couldn't say no. It was only later I realised that when I'd opened my wallet to fish out a fiver for him he'd taken a twenty without me even noticing.

So I don't really give any of them money anymore. There's a homeless guy that begs near where I work and sometimes if I'm going out to get a sambo for my lunch I'll get one made up for him too.

Hank Scorpio

Iv seem groups of those romanian gypsies meet up at the bus station in kilkenny after a hard days "work", having a good laugh at the silly auld paddies who gave them money during the day.

Digusting.

Im inclined to give a few bob to a Irish homeless person as they got very little in their lives - but WTF at the all the eastern europeans who come to this country with the sole intention to beg , how the hell did they get in here in the first place

landsleaving

xzanti wrote: »

skangers in newish looking nikeys and freshly cut hair? gimme a break..

These ones are the worst. On Halfpenny bridge last week there was a lad curled up in a raincoat, tracksuit bottoms. And luminous green brand new Nikes.

I can't afford bloody runners, they're over €100 ffs. I go running in 3 year old ones that are full of holes.

I used to give a euro or two to homeless people. but there are so many in Dublin lately, most of them about as genuine as Nike man, that I can't be bothered anymore, it's sad really that people abuse good will like that chasing a quick buck, and I doubt I'm the only person put off by the multiplication of beggars. It's a bit desensitising, as harsh as that sounds, especially with so many not even homeless at all.

L.Jenkins

Best you could do for the homeless is point them to the nearest Simon Community Centre. I'm sure even these people are entitled to some social welfare in some form or another! I don't remember the last time I was ever branded a walking ATM for the homeless, and in all honesty, I never will be. I will point in the direction of help though.

As for chronic beggers, forgive me, but the Romanians are the fúcking worst, trying on the guilt trip with 10 kids hanging out of them, then they fúck off to a state funded home that's better than yours!

xzanti

djhunter30 wrote: »

As for chronic beggers, forgive me, but the Romanians are the fúcking worst, trying on the guilt trip with 10 kids hanging out of them, then they fúck off to a state funded home that's better than yours!

The women sitting on the ground with young babies really p1sses me off, why do social services not come along and take them sitting on the pissy ground or a dirty blanket, sometimes in the rain.. ffs

Make like Patrick Bateman and burn dollar bills in front of them..


..then stab them in the eye. Crazy book.

Stephentlig

I havnt seen many in Dundalk lately, I think thats because nobody gives them money, if we stop giving them money then they stop begging and look for other ways to find money, one of those ways being ''finding a job''.

There are those romanians though that I see selling big issues, and I dont see a problem with that, do you?

I will not give them money but will give them a bite to eat, I feel sorry for the women, they are in a vicious circle, and the men are the ring leaders.

Pax Christi
Stephen

Degsy

biko wrote: »

I took the liberty to nationalise your title there OP so we can discuss other places than Dublin...

As for Galway, no I don't give anything. I'd rather give to Simon or another organisation that provides food and shelter for the Irish homeless rather than giving to some poor Roma woman trafficked here to beg for her "masters".
But that's me.

So you think Roma women are trafficked here?

Stephentlig

xzanti wrote: »

The women sitting on the ground with young babies really p1sses me off, why do social services not come along and take them sitting on the pissy ground or a dirty blanket, sometimes in the rain.. ffs

Yeah I know, if they start jailing them and show them that there is a consequence for doing these things then they'd stop doing it.

the government seems lazy to take action.

Run_to_da_hills

Jaxxy

xzanti wrote: »

The women sitting on the ground with young babies really p1sses me off, why do social services not come along and take them sitting on the pissy ground or a dirty blanket, sometimes in the rain.. ffs

Munny for de baaaaybieee!?

That really, really annoys me. Especially when you know how much money these people rake in from social welfare weekly.

Degsy

Stephentlig wrote: »

Yeah I know, if they start jailing them and show them that there is a consequence for doing these things then they'd stop doing it.

the government seems lazy to take action.

Why should they be jailed and the taxpayer forced to pay for them further?
Stick them in a labour camp and make the bastards work for thier airfare home then deport them.

L.Jenkins

xzanti wrote: »

The women sitting on the ground with young babies really p1sses me off, why do social services not come along and take them sitting on the pissy ground or a dirty blanket, sometimes in the rain.. ffs

Have you noticed though, that they all have the same catchphrases, like please and god bless you and then put on that face that tries to induce feelings of intense guilt. Or maybe that's just here in Athlone.

Mister men

No. I give a tenner a month to the capuchin centre.

petes

Stephentlig wrote: »

I havnt seen many in Dundalk lately, I think thats because nobody gives them money, if we stop giving them money then they stop begging and look for other ways to find money, one of those ways being ''finding a job''.

They are still about. They are proactive in asking you for money as in stopping you in the street and asking you. Not like some that just sit at the side of the road.

Some guy asked me for money even though I had just seen him leave his house!

seedubya

Stephentlig wrote: »

I havnt seen many in Dundalk lately, I think thats because nobody gives them money

Well there's a surprise ....

Bet you won't see too many in Cavan either....

L.Jenkins

Insurgent wrote: »

They are proactive in asking you for money as in stopping you in the street and asking you.

When is the Government introducting legislation that aggressive begging is illegel? Or do we still have to suffer an influx of foreign nationals looking for 'our' money.

xzanti

djhunter30 wrote: »

Have you noticed though, that they all have the same catchphrases, like please and god bless you and then put on that face that tries to induce feelings of intense guilt. Or maybe that's just here in Athlone.

There are 2 I can think of, a bearded older man and a woman with very few teeth, they're both Romas, they hang around at the traffic lights near Tara Street Bridge, they come over to you when you're stopped at the lights giving you a thumbs up and them making a sign of the cross at you when you've waved them away.. Well it's either the sign of the cross or some voodoo curse :eek: I always see people giving them money aswel.. So annoying, I'd love to go over and tell them they're the reason these people are here.. Morons :mad:

xzanti

seedubya wrote: »

Well there's a surprise ....

Bet you won't see too many in Cavan either....

podgemonster

Strolling down O'Connell Str.
'Please Sir please, i pray for you Sir, i pray for you, i have sick baby, please Sir.'

Or waiting for a Luas one Saturday, two Roma young girls are wait, see me go over to the ticketmachine and walks over righ in my face with a cup
'Change, please?'
Told em no
Then hopped on the Luas and walked down begging off everyone else.

I dont give them anything unless it's a well known Charity and I get a sticker!

Degsy

xzanti wrote: »

There are 2 I can think of, a bearded older man and a woman with very few teeth, they're both Romas, they hang around at the traffic lights near Tara Street Bridge, they come over to you when you're stopped at the lights giving you a thumbs up and them making a sign of the cross at you when you've waved them away.. Well it's either the sign of the cross or some voodoo curse :eek: I always see people giving them money aswel.. So annoying, I'd love to go over and tell them they're the reason these people are here.. Morons :mad:

Make no mistake..these people make more money than you or i or most people working for a living...they send the money home and spend it on huge houses..so called Gypsy Palaces

Stephentlig

Insurgent wrote: »

They are still about. They are proactive in asking you for money as in stopping you in the street and asking you. Not like some that just sit at the side of the road.

Some guy asked me for money even though I had just seen him leave his house!

well I've never seen any romanians approaching me and pressing me for money, but I have seen the travelling community come out in their gangs and roam around the town pressing people for money.

the more you say no, the more they recognise your face and stop approaching you.

L.Jenkins

xzanti wrote: »

...they come over to you when you're stopped at the lights giving you a thumbs up and them making a sign of the cross at you when you've waved them away.. Well it's either the sign of the cross or some voodoo curse :eek: ...

I'd just give 'em the bird and drive away! You'll know someone got just alittle bit aggravated with them when you hear that 2 romanians got run over at a red light, of all places!

L.Jenkins

Degsy wrote: »

Make no mistake..these people make more money than you or i or most people working for a living...they send the money home and spend it on huge houses..so called Gypsy Palaces

Athlone has a few belonging the travelling community, one of which was confiscated by the C.A.B. Dodgey financing no doubt, but thats a different matter altogether!

Degsy

Here's a link to what these scumbags are up to.

Degsy

And another.

Its amazing how stupid and naive ordinary people can be when they see these professional charlatans at work.

Fukuyama

I hate this ... they're in pretty much every main city in Ireland. I live in Dublin and have seen in in Cork and Galway.

The heroin addicts annoy me too ... "er...sorry bud hav yer got any change?" acting like he's starving but really he just fancies shooting up.

Was walking down o connell street with my earphones in when a girl approached me and I gave her like thirty cent without making eye contact or removing my earphones. a few seconds later shes tugging on my arm and she's clearly on something... looks like shes just been in a cage fight with a tiger.

It transpires that she's "three months pregnant" (my arse) and needs money "for de baby". We both stare at one another, seeing who'll make the next move. I'm kinda baffeled because I've just given her money... So I ask what she wants. She says money. I tell her I just gave her some. .... she wants a fiver. A FIVER!!! I was coming home from work at the time, tired and grouchy and some addict wants me to start giving her paper money. Money I work hard for. Come on ... they're getting expensive to keep these junkies, roma and beggars of ours :P


Another thing that gets me (sorry for annoying non-Dubliners here) but O'Connel street is the main thoughourfair in our Capital city and its where many tourists gather as a center point for busses, tours and sights. It's also the location of pretty much our only well recognised nation 'monuments, the GPO. And yet they're the top target for junkies to tap a few quid. Probably not the impression of the Emerald Isle they were sold in the travel agent :rolleyes:

D1976

Saw this on bbc 2 last year, worth checking out if it can be viewed on the bbc archive.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8226580.stm


I personally would never give anything to any beggar

TwoShedsJackson

All the best begging spots in town have a rota organised. The spot outside the pedestrian entrance to Brown Thomas's carpark must be prime turf, there's about four beggars there regular, and no Roma. There's usually a shift change around 5 p.m. if anyone wants to see it in action.

L.Jenkins

Degsy wrote: »

And another.

Its amazing how stupid and naive ordinary people can be when they see these professional charlatans at work.

Robbing feckers, they're nearly better than we are! And I bet, every item you can get your hands; houses, cars, food, drink and cigs cost half nothing!

landsleaving

Degsy wrote: »

Here's a link to what these scumbags are up to.

But all those links are from the Daily Mail...

I hear the gypsys give you cancer, and that Russel Brand is one of them.

SoulTrader

Stephentlig wrote: »

if we stop giving them money then they stop begging and look for other ways to find money, one of those ways being ''finding a job''.

And another of those ways being skimming ATMs.

biko

Degsy wrote: »

So you think Roma women are trafficked here?

Yes, it's been done.

THE Government was warned that Eastern European crime bosses involved in human trafficking planned to send thousands of Roma gypsies into Ireland.
The first wave of 220 gypsies arrived here in January, including some of the 50 to 70 still encamped yesterday on the M50 roundabout.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/trafficking-gangs-plan-to-flood-ireland-with-roma-1042349.html

L.Jenkins

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

The spot outside the pedestrian entrance to Brown Thomas's carpark must be prime turf, there's about four beggars there regular, and no Roma.

Is it a bottle neck by any chance, where unsuspecting drivers or pedestrians can actually avoid the place once they've gotten into it.

Lemegeton

most of the time i dont cos its either foreigners or junkies with a fag hanging out of their mouth. sometimes though i see someone who looks genuine and ill give them some money. i do agree that in the long run its better to give to the likes of the Simon group and Focus.

Kasabian

I normally give money to homeless people who are selling the Big Issue , just give them the price of it and tell them sell on the copy. It is my understanding that they are given X amount of copies so by handing it back it increases their intake.

Stephentlig

does anyone here actually buy the Big Issue?

Cheap Thrills!

Roma get nothing from me except a hostile stare.

I hate that whingey, keening, beggy voice they put on

'...please...meess....de money..pleeeeeeeeeeeeese....foothe...baybe....pleethe...'

FCUK. OFF.

cson

podgemonster wrote: »

Strolling down O'Connell Str.
'Please Sir please, i pray for you Sir, i pray for you, i have sick baby, please Sir.'

Or waiting for a Luas one Saturday, two Roma young girls are wait, see me go over to the ticketmachine and walks over righ in my face with a cup
'Change, please?'
Told em no
Then hopped on the Luas and walked down begging off everyone else.

I dont give them anything unless it's a well known Charity and I get a sticker!

Those ****ers that divide up the Luas machines and beg off anyone trying to buy a ticket. I swear I'll punch one of them in the face one of the days. This one asked me on St Stephens Green one day; said no. Kept persisting. Told her to **** off before I called the cops. She did.

And I love Veolia's policy of fining anyone for fare evasion that looks like they can pay it but merely telling the Roma to get off.

If I had my way there'd be open season on beggars once a year.

I rarely give money to beggars, although there is an old dude that plays a little electronic piano mat thing on Oliver Plunkett Street in Cork, whenever I see him I generally give him a euro or two, he used to sell flowers and luminous braceletts and that sort of crap a few years ago. He seems a genuine sort who is never drinking etc. He also has a dog with him, I'm a sucker for the folks with dogs to be honest, he seems to look after the dog though. One time a couple of years back I was heading into McDonalds in Daunt Square, 'twas unreal cold and there was a dude begging outside Easons near the ATM, I had to take a few quid out but he never asked me for cash, as I strolled past him I asked him how was the form, he said something like not bad at all or something. I was out of work myself at the time but was after a fairly lucrative 15 months (I was self employed). After I had my McD delights I got him a tea and gave him a fiver, as I said 'twas unreal cold that night, wasn't too bothered what he did with the fiver.

Another time I was out with my Dad and my sister, strolling around little side streets heading for grub somewhere, I was on the phone so a few yards behind them, there was a chap begging who asked them for a few coins or whatever, they refused politely and walked on, the chap started shouting abuse after them, he was mid 30s, looked quite healthy and fit and wasn't a small bloke either, he continued with the abuse and as I approached he nodded to them and said my ole lad was a dictator (I reckon he thought the sister would have given him a few euro only for my Dad being there or something). Anyway my Dad is 60 odd and I'm quite fond of him so I told the smelly begging pr1ck that he was my ole lad and would he like his face rearranged, I was well p1ssed off to be honest. Mr beggar pr1ck promptly shut up so I left him alone, I could quite happily have danced on his head, cowardly bullying bastad.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

I normally just have a chat with them, tell them I have no money, give them a few smokes if I have them. They do appretiate things like that, they are not all after money for drugs/drink. Can you imagine living a few days on the street would be like? I know I wouldn't be able to cope too long. They have an extremely hard life, and in many cases, it is through no fault of their own.