Top bullfighter gored in Mexico

Klingon Hamlet

Article here:

One of Spain's leading matadors was seriously injured in Mexico when a 1,100-pound bull gored him in the groin and hoisted him into the air, causing major blood loss, his manager said.

Jose Tomas received a transfusion of 17 pints of blood after being gored by a beast named Navegante in the Mexican city of Aguascalientes.

The bull's horn penetrated 4 inches into Tomas' groin and punctured a vein and an artery, manager Salvador Boix told Spanish radio station Cadena Ser from Aguascalientes.

Tomas, one of Spain's most popular matadors, has a relatively rare blood type - A- - and bled so profusely that bullring officials appealed over the arena loudspeakers for compatible donors to come forward for transfusions, Boix said.

Bullring doctors operated on the 34-year-old Tomas immediately to stabilise him, and he underwent more surgery later at a hospital for more than three hours.

"Now he has new blood and is in intensive care, waiting to see how things evolve," Boix said, adding that Tomas is not conscious.

Mexican television footage aired on the website of the Spanish newspaper El Mundo shows Tomas working the animal with his cape when the bull makes a quick turn toward the matador and catches him in the groin, lifting him into the air for a few seconds and shaking its head with Tomas dangling from its sharp left horn.

Once on the ground, Tomas rolled away and held his hands up as if to say he was OK, but a large, dark red stain was already spreading through his glittering gold suit.

The newspaper El Pais said Tomas' injury was so serious that the bullring doctors who first operated on him did not even take time to anesthetise him.

Tomas is known for a daring bullfighting style in which he gets particularly close to the bull. His full name is Jose Tomas Roman Martin.

Correct me if I'm wrong..bullfighting involves riling a bull up with the red flag, before goring it in front of a bloodthirsty crowd. If this is still the way it goes, then this is kind of karmic for the bullfighter...taste of his own medicine:D

GLaDOS

Well, that's what you get. I hope he survives and all, but it's hard to feel sorry for him.

minidazzler

What's that saying? If you're gonna play with fire, you are gonna get fcuked around by a bull.

AnonoBoy

That's what we call in sports 'losing'.

minidazzler

AnonoBoy wrote: »

That's what we call in sports 'losing'.

Depends really, I was routing for the bull.

alwaysadub

Ouch.
He's won't be messing with bulls again anytime soon

CreepingDeath

Don't think they've been injecting that bull with female hormones like the gay chickens !

Poly

Heres the video:

http://newsblogged.com/video-bullfighter-jose-tomas-gored-in-groin-mexico-youtube

The search for his testicles continues, nice to see the bull win for once.

Klingon Hamlet

Klingon Hamlet wrote: »

ose Tomas received a transfusion of 17 pints of blood ...
Tomas, one of Spain's most popular matadors, has a relatively rare blood type - A- -

He gets 17 pints of a rare blood type for being a dumbass?

Ali Babba

.............and the bull is being treated for horn stain so I believe........

df1985

alwaysadub wrote: »

Ouch.
He's won't be messing with bulls again anytime soon

or his balls either!

--LOS--

anyone who likes killing bulls for fun, enough to risk their own life, I don't feel sorry for.

It's unbelievable that bull fighting and bull running are still legal.

FlutterinBantam

minidazzler wrote: »

Depends really, I was routing for the bull.

Really!!

What route did you take?

Naos

Klingon Hamlet wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong..bullfighting involves riling a bull up with the red flag, before goring it in front of a bloodthirsty crowd.

Not wrong, but not fully informed - was going to type it up but found this instead:

- The animal is kept for a couple of days in a dark room, without water nor food to weaken it.

- The animal is hit with a sack of wet sand on his ribs and kidneys. This method is known among the bullfighters as "bajar al toro'' (weaken the bull).

- Vaseline is added into it's eyes to cloud the vision.

- Cotton is stuck in the bulls nose holes and throat to make it difficult to breathe.

- Very often, the tip of the bull horns get "shaved off", so they would not represent a big threat to the "brave" matador ...

- Laxatives are given to the bulls to make them more weak.

- If the bull is too weak after all these "treatments", then thinner (turpentine), is dropped on his hooves and genitals, so when the bull appears on the ring kicking and jumping, it is not because he is "furious" and "brave", but because he feels that his hooves and genitals are burning.

- Often also stab the bull testicles with knitting needles, to make them look "wilder and agressive".

- To complete their evilness, often has been reported that the wooden door that slides in an upward motion to release the tortured bull into the ring, is released to make it fall onto the bull's head, fisuring their skull just before going into the arena.

kraggy

Delighted.

--LOS--

Klingon Hamlet wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong..bullfighting involves riling a bull up with the red flag, before goring it in front of a bloodthirsty crowd. If this is still the way it goes, then this is kind of karmic for the bullfighter...taste of his own medicine:D

So what happens during a bullfight?:
Firstly the bull is let into the ring. Then, the top bullfighter called the Matador, watches his chief assistant wave a bright yellow and magenta cape in front of the bull to make it charge. He watches this in order to determine the bull's qualities and mood, before taking over himself.

Then a trumpet is sounded and several fighters called Picadores weaken the bull by placing spears into it. This takes around 10 minutes.

Another trumpet is sounded and the Matador now removes his black winged hat and dedicates the death of the bull to the president or the crowd before beginning his faena.

The faena which is the most beautiful and skillful section of the fight and where the matador must prove his courage and artistry. The faena consists of a running at the Matador carrying a muleta. This is a piece of thick crimson cloth draped over a short stick, which can be held in either the left hand or draped over the espada, the killing sword, which is always held in the right hand. Usually the muleta, in left or right hand, is first held in front of the matador to make the bull charge and is then swung across and away from the matador's body hopefully taking the bull with it.

This is a show, basically a dance with death - one wrong move and the Matador could become impaled on the horns of the bull. It is the Matador's job to make this dance dramatic and enjoyable for the audience.

The faena continues until the Matador has demonstrated his superiority over the bull. Once this is achieved the bull is ready to be killed.

The matador stands some ten feet from the bull, keeping the bull fixated on the muleta and aims the espada between the shoulder blades. The matador attacks pushing the espada over the horns and deep between the shoulder blades. If the sword goes in to the hilt it is an estocada but if it hits bone it is a pinchazo or media-estocada. An estocada usually results in the bull dropping immediately to its knees and dying, but if the bull fails to die the matador may take the descabello (a sword with a short cross piece at the end) which he stabs into the bull's neck severing the spinal cord. The fight is over.

Correct.

Biggins

No sympathy for those that participate in this sport - that is except for the animal.

Ali Babba

--LOS-- wrote: »

Correct.

Pretty gruesome, how anyone could enjoy that is beyond me.

Dont be at yourself

In fairness, the bulls would not even be alive if it weren't for bull fighting. And while it's a not a nice way to die, they enjoy a fantastic life up until then.

bronte

I really, really cannot stand that "sport".
What's even worse is how these bullfighters are looked upon in spain....like royalty.
Seriously turns my stomach.

IvySlayer

Anyone who calls this a 'sport' I lose respect for.

--LOS--

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

In fairness, the bulls would not even be alive if it weren't for bull fighting. And while it's a not a nice way to die, they enjoy a fantastic life up until then.

I feel sorry for you that you don't have the post count of a troll.

Ruu_Old

<insert picture of chap with bull's horn up his arse> You know the one, google it.

Absurdum

hey I'm A- too but I wouldn't piss on him. Hope he dies

Dont be at yourself

--LOS-- wrote: »

I feel sorry for you that you don't have the post count of a troll.

I'm not trolling. The breed of bulls used in bull-fighting would not even exist were it not for bull-fighting. They are purposely bred for the sport, and they are looked after better than most livestock. Do you cry tears for the dead cow when you tuck into a steak dinner too?

Bull fighting brings joy to thousands of people all over the world. It's a sport steeped in tradition and culture, and I'm glad that it hasn't been banned on the whims of the limp-wristed, tree-hugging furry brigade.

Riddle101

I wish I could say I feel sorry for the guy but I don't. He knows the risks of what he's doing, he's trained in it for years so I don't feel it's worth crying over tbh. The guy was just unlucky. He'll survive, but the sport will live on.

partyatmygaff

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

I'm not trolling. The breed of bulls used in bull-fighting would not even exist were it not for bull-fighting. They are purposely bred for the sport, and they are looked after better than most livestock. Do you cry tears for the dead cow when you tuck into a steak dinner too?

Bull fighting brings joy to thousands of people all over the world. It's a sport steeped in tradition and culture, and I'm glad that it hasn't been banned on the whims of the limp-wristed, tree-hugging furry brigade.

Would you rather live to be (Replace animal/bull with you)

- The animal is kept for a couple of days in a dark room, without water nor food to weaken it.

- The animal is hit with a sack of wet sand on his ribs and kidneys. This method is known among the bullfighters as "bajar al toro'' (weaken the bull).

- Vaseline is added into it's eyes to cloud the vision.

- Cotton is stuck in the bulls nose holes and throat to make it difficult to breathe.

- Very often, the tip of the bull horns get "shaved off", so they would not represent a big threat to the "brave" matador ...

- Laxatives are given to the bulls to make them more weak.

- If the bull is too weak after all these "treatments", then thinner (turpentine), is dropped on his hooves and genitals, so when the bull appears on the ring kicking and jumping, it is not because he is "furious" and "brave", but because he feels that his hooves and genitals are burning.

- Often also stab the bull testicles with knitting needles, to make them look "wilder and agressive".

- To complete their evilness, often has been reported that the wooden door that slides in an upward motion to release the tortured bull into the ring, is released to make it fall onto the bull's head, fisuring their skull just before going into the arena.

and then be killed. Or to just not exist at all?

--LOS--

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

I'm not trolling.

Exactly, that's the sad part.

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

The breed of bulls used in bull-fighting would not even exist were it not for bull-fighting. They are purposely bred for the sport, and they are looked after better than most livestock.

You're not going to convince me that there is some kind of humanity in a sport like that.

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Do you cry tears for the dead cow when you tuck into a steak dinner too?

No, coz I'm mostly veggie, not for moral reasons though but I don't believe in blatant, unwarranted cruelty to animals.

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Bull fighting brings joy to thousands of people all over the world. It's a sport steeped in tradition and culture, and I'm glad that it hasn't been banned on the whims of the limp-wristed, tree-hugging furry brigade.

Ignorant people imo, not worth my time of day.

partyatmygaff

--LOS-- wrote: »

No, coz I'm mostly veggie, not for moral reasons though but I don't believe in blatant, unwarranted cruelty to animals.

Not believing in blatant, unwarranted cruelty to animals IS a moral reason :pac:

df1985

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

I'm not trolling. The breed of bulls used in bull-fighting would not even exist were it not for bull-fighting. They are purposely bred for the sport, and they are looked after better than most livestock. Do you cry tears for the dead cow when you tuck into a steak dinner too?

Bull fighting brings joy to thousands of people all over the world. It's a sport steeped in tradition and culture, and I'm glad that it hasn't been banned on the whims of the limp-wristed, tree-hugging furry brigade.

its not far off it though, catalonia is the 1st province in spain to be now considering a ban, only a matter of time id say.

--LOS--

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Not believing in blatant, unwarranted cruelty to animals IS a moral reason :pac:

In case it wasn't clear, that belief and my choice of diet are separate issues.

I am mostly veggie for non moral reasons, coz if you like, I'm selfish like that.

I don't condone blatant, unwarranted cruelty to animals, as in just for kicks, that's pretty sick.

Klingon Hamlet

Being bred and sustained and finally killed off for life-sustaining consumption is one thing. I do actually feel bad eating meat but I simply cannot stomach most vegetables, sad I know.

But it's quite another to ritualistically starve, lacerate, repeatedly stab, partially-blind, deliberately infuriate, and then cause inhuman pain, before finally killing an animal all for entertainment.

Imagine repeatedly lacerating a low-intelligent brute, before sticking him in a boxing ring before a highly skilled, ninja-sword-wielding assassin...and being surprised when the brute outwits the attacker and opens a can of Fork You.

(I am not comparing the mental/living abilities of a bull or brute, but I'm being what the matador, his aides and his audience are not: human).

Dont be at yourself

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Would you rather live to be (Replace animal/bull with you)



and then be killed. Or to just not exist at all?

I'd rather exist, as would any animal. I'd also have my eye on the chance to retire to a stud farm.

--LOS-- wrote: »

You're not going to convince me that there is some kind of humanity in a sport like that.

But really, it's exactly what humanity is all about - exercising its might over others. It's humanity at its most basic, unencumbered by lovey-dovey save-the-whales PC nonsense. As humans, we are programmed to respond to the spectacle of bull fighting. If we didn't, it wouldn't exist.

No, coz I'm mostly veggie, not for moral reasons though but I don't believe in blatant, unwarranted cruelty to animals.

Well, if you're not willing to accept humanity's rightful place in the food chain and the realities of the natural order, I don't think bull fighting is for you. Still, you can have your Quorn burgers, and others can have their bull fighting, how's that?

Auldloon

I went to a corrida in southern France a few years ago. Was quiet a show. Cant say I enjoyed it as such but their is a massive sense of occasion and tradition. I grew up around cattle and bloodsports so I had an interest in all that was happening and am not often shocked by seeing blood spilling. Doubt I would go to one again though as at the end of the day it is inflicting pain on an animal for enjoyment(the definition of cruelty)
The crowd cheer for the bull and the picadores are the villains of the piece.
I would be interested in any proof of the alleged weakening of the bulls, the ones I saw seemed in great shape, in fact one cleared the inner ring and almost made it into the audience.
Once the picadors have done their bit then its a very different animal, weakened from pain and blood loss.

Michael B

Naos wrote: »

Not wrong, but not fully informed - was going to type it up but found this instead:

- The animal is kept for a couple of days in a dark room, without water nor food to weaken it.

- The animal is hit with a sack of wet sand on his ribs and kidneys. This method is known among the bullfighters as "bajar al toro'' (weaken the bull).

- Vaseline is added into it's eyes to cloud the vision.

- Cotton is stuck in the bulls nose holes and throat to make it difficult to breathe.

- Very often, the tip of the bull horns get "shaved off", so they would not represent a big threat to the "brave" matador ...

- Laxatives are given to the bulls to make them more weak.

- If the bull is too weak after all these "treatments", then thinner (turpentine), is dropped on his hooves and genitals, so when the bull appears on the ring kicking and jumping, it is not because he is "furious" and "brave", but because he feels that his hooves and genitals are burning.

- Often also stab the bull testicles with knitting needles, to make them look "wilder and agressive".

- To complete their evilness, often has been reported that the wooden door that slides in an upward motion to release the tortured bull into the ring, is released to make it fall onto the bull's head, fisuring their skull just before going into the arena.

Jesus Christ. Why this hasn't been abolished by now I just don't understand. Tradition me hole. I have zero sympathy for anyone involved in this.

citizen_p

i went to a bull fight and didnt mind it, its their culture and im not going to try and stop it, as long as they dont feck with me, bulls arent exactly endangered either.

again about the culture, its like sharia law, stoning of people etc... isnt exactly correct human rights, but it wont be stopped without, terrorism, war, and violence, because people are afraid to piss off half of the world. and a half that takes things very seriously. thers war, poching of endangered animals, drought, feking green party with there ****ty taxes


bull fighting and that arent great comparisions, but there is alot worse going on in the world every single day.

partyatmygaff

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

I'd rather exist, as would any animal. I'd also have my eye on the chance to retire to a stud farm.

You'd rather live to be tortured and then killed for entertainment than to not exist at all?

But really, it's exactly what humanity is all about - exercising its might over others. It's humanity at its most basic, unencumbered by lovey-dovey save-the-whales PC nonsense. As humans, we are programmed to respond to the spectacle of bull fighting. If we didn't, it wouldn't exist.

There's a big difference between humans and most other animals. We have morals, we have a highly developed brain that can imagine how it must be like on the receiving end and not only on the inflicting end. As far as we know, other animals do not.

Well, if you're not willing to accept humanity's rightful place in the food chain and the realities of the natural order, I don't think bull fighting is for you. Still, you can have your Quorn burgers, and others can have their bull fighting, how's that?

Killing and torturing animals for entertainment is a hell of a lot different than slaughtering them so as to sustain ourselves.

Samantha666

A bottle of chardonnay chillin', large bar of Galaxy....and a matador getting gored in his soft bits...what a great evening this is turning out to be.

--LOS--

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

But really, it's exactly what humanity is all about - exercising its might over others. It's humanity at its most basic, unencumbered by lovey-dovey save-the-whales PC nonsense. As humans, we are programmed to respond to the spectacle of bull fighting. If we didn't, it wouldn't exist.

I am far from miss PC :P, but have fun beating your chest, I will be spending my time a little more wisely.

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Well, if you're not willing to accept humanity's rightful place in the food chain and the realities of the natural order, I don't think bull fighting is for you. Still, you can have your Quorn burgers, and others can have their bull fighting, how's that?

:pac: wow, your humanity would have set us back a few thousand years.

You're right bullfighting isn't for me or anyone who has an ounce of intelligence for that matter since your views are clearly ignorant.

Quorn burgers, no thanks, I'd rather have my health, my mind and my long life.

The Aussie

well you should never fight a horn with a horn, unless you live in Sydney:pac:

landsleaving

This story made me think of a very fitting tune:


http://www.juno.co.uk/covers/221073-01-front.htm


http://www.juno.co.uk/miniflashplayer/SF221073-01-01-01.mp3


'When the Bulll Gores the Matador Everyones Hands Clap'

Big Ears

Exactly what the sport of bullfighting needs, it's been too long since a Bull has won. A bit like a conference side doing well in the FA Cup, keeps big interest in it.

Wibbs

I've no problem with bloodsports. I am defo not one of these limp wristed ponces that lives on veggie burgers and cries foul at leather. Cant abide the breed, much like I equally cant abide the hard men who happily eat steak, but would píss themselves if they watched a cow being poleaxed, but....

Bullfighting is a load of cobblers. At least in the form and practices Naos has highlighted. Put a fully alert and non compromised bull in the ring and play ball or put a fully grown Irish type bull about twice the size and weight of one of the spanish fighting bulls and pull up a deck chair and popcorn.

Better yet push for the ancient art of bull leaping. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull-leaping If some ponce in spangly jacket and tight pants all the better to see his lack of cahonnies really wants to prove himself then that would show his or her* bravery. Man against animal. Animal walks away, Man may or may not. Plenty of spectacle, no animals dead. If someone in the audience wants blood, then give them a sword and invite them down.




*women used to do it too.

DublinWriter

Animal Kingdom 1 - Donkey Clubbers 0.

A result, I'd say.

dlofnep

Don't mess with the bull, young man. You'll get the horns.

It wasn't me!

Not a fan of bull-fighting at all. As I've said plenty of times, I have no issue with killing any animal provided it's done as cleanly as possible. This is not the case. If it were the situation that the bull were uncompromised and in the peak of good health, I'd have front row seats permanently to watch some lunatic go hand to hand with half a tonne of pointy steak, but it's not. It's essentially a slow, tortuous death, and inevitably so, so I see no sense of sport in it.

Abi

ScienceNerd wrote: »

Well, that's what you get. I hope he survives and all, but it's hard to feel sorry for him.

Meh, whatevs. He didn't give a **** about the pain the bull was being put through.

Pittens

Being bred and sustained and finally killed off for life-sustaining consumption is one thing. I do actually feel bad eating meat but I simply cannot stomach most vegetables, sad I know.

Lol: so you are saying that a person actually putting himself in danger to kill a dangerous animal is less moral than someone who just eats an animal with no effort.

At least in the form and practices Naos has highlighted

which is probably bollocks, pardon the pun. The bull won in this case despite being "compromised", if he was. The human is in danger, and the vast majority of people in the ring would be killed. It is far more dangerous than going to the supermarket to eat the flesh of an animal you didnt kill.

I was at a bullfight in Mexico once, the skill was impressive actually ( particularly when horsed), and the bull was dangerous. The bull was in full health. The kill was clean. That's considered part of the skill.

So would I be a bull going to a fight, or a cow going to an abattoir? The former, clearly.

The bull can can win. Your food had no chance.

Kasabian

If someone is slowly torturing me to death with a variety of swords then given the chance I would gore the fcuker too.

Never understood this barbaric excuse for entertainment.

Censorsh!t

I hate when people think bullfighting is okay because 'it's their culture'.
Just because it's culture or tradition does not justify it! You can't turn a blind eye just because things are a bit different over there.
I also hate when people start comparing the meat industry to bullfighting. Who cares, just because the steak on your plate had a worse life does not dismiss that bullfighting is still cruel. It's just the lesser of two evils.

It wasn't me!

Censorsh!t wrote: »

I also hate when people start comparing the meat industry to bullfighting. Who cares, just because the steak on your plate had a worse life does not dismiss that bullfighting is still cruel. It's just the lesser of two evils.

To be fair, that is just hypocrisy. It's saying you're prepared to endorse something you acknowledge as being more cruel while condemning the other act. No fan of bull-fighting, as I say, but that is basically crap.